Steven Univ3rse: The Great and Lovable Thread

[Manga Shoggoth]

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[Ninja_Prawn]

Woooo! New thread!

So, something we may not have considered about Jasper recently:

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Was she sent on Peridot's mission to Earth as some kind of penance in the first place? I get the feeling like she was all "ugh, this is so beneath me" until she realised Rose Quartz was still in play.

If so, what does that tell us about Yellow Diamond's disposition towards her now?

[Manga Shoggoth]

So, something we may not have considered about Jasper recently:

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Was she sent on Peridot's mission to Earth as some kind of penance in the first place? I get the feeling like she was all "ugh, this is so beneath me" until she realised Rose Quartz was still in play.

If so, what does that tell us about Yellow Diamond's disposition towards her now?

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Jasper definitely didn't want to be there, but I think it was more that she thought her presence was unnecessary. Peridot's comment during the exchange was along the lines of "now do you believe I needed an escort". Jasper was still pretty uninterested until she saw Rose Quartz's shield.

I think Yellow Diamond suspected that some of the Crystal Gems may have survived whatever happened and wasn't taking any chances. Jasper, on the other hand, thought they were all dead.

[Admiral Squish]

New thread! Tagged.

A possibility has occurred to me about Jasper's fate. I still hope she gets redeemed, but there's a horrible possibility I hadn't considered until just now. What if Jasper gets shattered? They could even start a Jasper redemption arc before it happens, if they want to twist the knife. I'm imagining the gems finding Jasper at the same time Yellow Diamond's forces do, and hiding nearby. Jasper tries to explain herself, but YD is not forgiving, and orders her shattered. This would be the first time Steven actually sees a gem shattered, his first real, permanent failure to save someone. It would likely cement YD as a monster in his mind, not someone that can be reasoned with or shown a better way or loved into submission like other challenges he's faced. Or it could be setting up a moment of heroic mercy later, where he and the gems stand triumphant over YD and, rather than shattering her like she's shattered so many others, he chooses mercy over vengeance.

Also, I wonder how Rebecca Sugar and the crewniverse feel about Undertale.

[Snowbluff]

I figure out a timeline about the gems.

Spoiler: Gems, numbers of gems, and what happened to them (season 3 spoilers)

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Okay, so Peridot was surprised that the Crystal Gems were still alive, but according to Lapis, defending against the rebellion was a lost cause and the Homeworld gems had to retreat from earth. IN fact, I find it strange that anyone is confused that any gems remain, since that have lifespans in thousands of years. I mean, the Homeworld Gems would have to have done something in order to make sure they weren't around anymore.

We know that there must have a been an absolutely huge number of rebel gems, because the shards were made into the massive cluster or the fusion experiments. But the cluster must have been developed before the evacuation of Earth, because there would be no Homeworld gems to make it otherwise. So most of the fatalities must have been made before the evacuation to fuel the trials and final product.

But if the defense was hopeless? How many were left, and what happened to them? We know that the corrupted gems are rebel gems that were... corrupted, but what the hell does that mean?! I don't think it was a natural process, judging what Greg said about the Crystal Gems only surviving because of Rose's shield. I don't think it's a result of damage of result of damage. Most of the corrupted gems seem perfectly fine when poofed, and gems that have lived under huge amounts of stress for thousands of years or have been cracked that long don't seem to have been corrupted. This leads me to believe that it's some kind of byproduct of a weapon that was deployed after the Earth was evacuated, and the reason why the only gems are left was because they were protected by Rose, in the ground, or not formed at the time (like Lapis).

So I think it looks like this directly after the evacuation:

A vast majority: Shattered, and used in gem experiments. ("Millions," according to Peridot, exist in the cluster)
A huge number: Evacuated.
A smaller, but still large number: Corrupted gems.
Pearl, Rose Quartz, and Garnet: Protected by Rose
Lapis: In the mirror
Amethyst: In the dirt

Hi, I'm Snowbluff. Lapis is my favorite.

[LaZodiac]

Reminder to post the new link in the old thread.

[Manga Shoggoth]

Reminder to post the new link in the old thread.

I did. It's the very last post (#1500).

[Ninja_Prawn]

Hi, I'm Snowbluff. Lapis is my favorite.

*waves* Hi Snowbluff! In case anyone missed it before, Pearl is my favourite.

I don't really have any comments on your spoiler. I think we just have to wait for the show to elaborate on it.

[Rater202]

Tracking post.

So, I'm predicting that Connie is going to meet Lapis or properly meet Peridot(or both) at some point and befriend them through their mutual friendship with Steven. I think that's a pretty solid prediction to make.

[Keltest]

Tracking post.

So, I'm predicting that Connie is going to meet Lapis or properly meet Peridot(or both) at some point and befriend them through their mutual friendship with Steven. I think that's a pretty solid prediction to make.

Assuming theyre both staying out at the Barn, that's a bit of a distance for Connie to travel under her own initiative. In a general sense it does seem likely that they'll meet eventually, and more probable than not that they will get along, but I'm not sure about any sort of deep friendship.

[Rater202]

Assuming theyre both staying out at the Barn, that's a bit of a distance for Connie to travel under her own initiative. In a general sense it does seem likely that they'll meet eventually, and more probable than not that they will get along, but I'm not sure about any sort of deep friendship.

I didn't say Deep friendship. I just say'd that they'd befriend each other, mostly out of mutual friendship with Steven.

Of course, I'm still predicting that Steven's first fusion with a Gem will be through Stevonnie, somehow, so something more than token friendship would be nice.

I also still want Peridot to meet Ronaldo.

[John Cribati]

Tracking post.

So, I'm predicting that Connie is going to meet Lapis or properly meet Peridot(or both) at some point and befriend them through their mutual friendship with Steven. I think that's a pretty solid prediction to make.

I think it would be funny if Connie sees Steven hanging out with Lapis or Peridot and thinks she's in a Love Triangle plot.

[Snowbluff]

I don't know how Lapis would react. She might not mesh well with Connie's inquisitive nature.

*waves* Hi Snowbluff! In case anyone missed it before, Pearl is my favourite.

*waves* Pearl my favorite of the Crystal Gems. :3

I don't really have any comments on your spoiler. I think we just have to wait for the show to elaborate on it.

Yeah, we'll see. Judging by how things are going in season 3, we might have more elaboration on the subject.

[LaZodiac]

I think it would be funny if Connie sees Steven hanging out with Lapis or Peridot and thinks she's in a Love Triangle plot.

I thought the same, but that it would be Peridot who believes it's a love triangle. I think she'd get along really well with Connie.

[DigoDragon]

Hi, I'm Snowbluff. Lapis is my favorite.

Hey there. I'm fairly new to the thread as well. I'm a fan of Peridot.

Unfortunately I'm all over the place as far as episodes seen, so I don't know much about your timeline to comment on it yet.

[Draconium]

I also still want Peridot to meet Ronaldo.

I could see that going either horribly wrong, or horribly right. I'm curious myself, now...

[Rater202]

I thought the same, but that it would be Peridot who believes it's a love triangle.

The only way that a "Someone thinks a love polygon plot is going on" is going to end with with a multi-fusion.

Incidentally, I still think Steven might have to be Stevonnie or another Human fusion, at least at first, before he/they can fuse with Gems. Easier to fuse if you're already fused, or having an extra relationship to build the fusion on. Something like that.

I also think that the first Gem Steven(or Stevonnie) fuses with will be Lapis or Peridot. Lapis and PEridot are Steven's friends. The Crystal Gems are Steven's Substitute Moms. Not an equal relationship right now.

I could see that going either horribly wrong, or horribly right. I'm curious myself, now...

I figure at first he recognizes her from the TV-he's apparently assembled a great deal of almost correct theories about "Rock People" and the Great Diamond Authority(Including that it's called the Great Diamond Authority), and between his blog and his Cameo in the Sadie Episode we got a while back, he's put Peridot and the Rock People together as part of the same group.

So I figure he recognizes her and wants to interrogate her, and at the same time she wants to know how he knows about the Diamonds, and they get to talking...But then they get sidetracked by a discussion about shipping for a show they both happen to watch.

[Ravian]

I also think that the first Gem Steven(or Stevonnie) fuses with will be Lapis or Peridot. Lapis and PEridot are Steven's friends. The Crystal Gems are Steven's Substitute Moms. Not an equal relationship right now.

I think this also makes sense because I think one of the primary reasons they're having a problem fusing with Steven is because they still think of Steven as Rose on some level, and as such they keep trying to sync the way they would with Rose and failing to truly understand Steven as a different person.

Given that neither Lapis nor Peridot ever even knew Rose Quartz (Lapis might have vaguely been aware of her but its unlikely she ever actually met her, and Peridot's too young.) I think it's likely that it'll be one of them.

[Rater202]

Another thought-Steven is a quartz, according to the guide t the crystal gems. He has the powers of a rose quartz, but, is he a rose quartz?

I mean, I know he has Rose's gem. but is he a rose quartz for for the purposes of fusion? If he fused with Pearl, would that be a rainbow quartz(like Pearl and Rose), or would that be a new gem fusion entirely?

Connie isn't a gem at all. Is Stevonnie a Rose Quartz?

[Ninja_Prawn]

If he fused with Pearl, would that be a Rainbow Quartz

I suspect not. I doubt Rose Quartz + Connie would make Stevonnie - Steven is a different kind of being from his mother.

[John Cribati]

I thought the same, but that it would be Peridot who believes it's a love triangle. I think she'd get along really well with Connie.

Peridot would be nothing if not the filthiest of Connverse shippers.

[Rater202]

Peridot would be nothing if not the filthiest of Connverse shippers.

I think the portmanteau ship name is the same as their fusion-Stevonnie.

[John Cribati]

I think the portmanteau ship name is the same as their fusion-Stevonnie.

Yeah but the fandom calls it Connverse since Stevonnie is actually a character... sometimes.

[DigoDragon]

Yeah but the fandom calls it Connverse since Stevonnie is actually a character... sometimes.

A letter off from a pretty good brand of shoe too.

[Snowbluff]

Hey there. I'm fairly new to the thread as well. I'm a fan of Peridot.

P Dot is pretty cool too.

Unfortunately I'm all over the place as far as episodes seen, so I don't know much about your timeline to comment on it yet.

That is sad. D:
I've recently had a bit of time free, and the new season came out, so I rewatched the show in such a short time that this stuck out to me.

[Hattish Thing]

Spoiler: Jasper Thoughts:

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New thread! Tagged.

A possibility has occurred to me about Jasper's fate. I still hope she gets redeemed, but there's a horrible possibility I hadn't considered until just now. What if Jasper gets shattered? They could even start a Jasper redemption arc before it happens, if they want to twist the knife. I'm imagining the gems finding Jasper at the same time Yellow Diamond's forces do, and hiding nearby. Jasper tries to explain herself, but YD is not forgiving, and orders her shattered. This would be the first time Steven actually sees a gem shattered, his first real, permanent failure to save someone. It would likely cement YD as a monster in his mind, not someone that can be reasoned with or shown a better way or loved into submission like other challenges he's faced. Or it could be setting up a moment of heroic mercy later, where he and the gems stand triumphant over YD and, rather than shattering her like she's shattered so many others, he chooses mercy over vengeance.

Also, I wonder how Rebecca Sugar and the crewniverse feel about Undertale.

Oh, god, that'd be soul-crushing. Apparently I'm one of the few people I know that actually likes Jasper a fair bit. That does sound like a pretty fantastic way to end her arc and grow Steven as a character, however.

I like it.

[Snowbluff]

Hey, is Pearl the one who cries and sings the most out of the Crystal Gems? I think she might be...

[eggynack]

Y'know what's weird about me, is just how much relief it filled me with hearing that Peridot got a hold of the Camp Pining Hearts full DVD set. That she was only going to get to see that one episode was a crazy stressful part of an otherwise magnificent episode of SU, whether it was the right decision on Steven's part or not, and now she's seen the whole show, and she can make beautiful shipping flow charts with all available information. On a semi-related note, is literally everything Peridot says or does in recent episodes just absolute solid gold, or is it just me? She came onto the show as maybe my least favorite character, and she's ramped up to a crazy high position. I doubt she takes first, cause other characters have more depth owing to more screen time, but they've really managed to make a relatively small amount of stuff count. She steals every scene and every episode she's in.

[LaZodiac]

Y'know what's weird about me, is just how much relief it filled me with hearing that Peridot got a hold of the Camp Pining Hearts full DVD set. That she was only going to get to see that one episode was a crazy stressful part of an otherwise magnificent episode of SU, whether it was the right decision on Steven's part or not, and now she's seen the whole show, and she can make beautiful shipping flow charts with all available information. On a semi-related note, is literally everything Peridot says or does in recent episodes just absolute solid gold, or is it just me? She came onto the show as maybe my least favorite character, and she's ramped up to a crazy high position. I doubt she takes first, cause other characters have more depth owing to more screen time, but they've really managed to make a relatively small amount of stuff count. She steals every scene and every episode she's in.

The writing for Peridot is ESPECIALLY on point, yes.

[Ninja_Prawn]

She steals every scene and every episode she's in.

She has been very good lately. I think, to some extent, that Garnet, Amethyst and Pearl (and Greg, Connie and all the boardwalk folks) have been deliberately dialed back a bit to allow Steven, Peridot and Lapis to have more of the limelight. The old characters have had the benefit of lots of relaxed, early-series episodes for us to get to know them, so it's only fair. I expect things will balance out again in the future.