Flash, Season 3: My name is Barry Allen and I'm the dumbest man alive

[Pronounceable]

Eobard Thawne is the best supervillain of our times. Who'd have thought a concept as stupid as Flashbutevil could go so far and be so awesome? The losers from Marvel stuff ain't got **** on him (their selling point is their heroes anyway). LoT writers have managed to turn the worst of the cape lot to the best of the cape lot. It's unreal.

Meanwhile, Flash writers have done the reverse. Maybe that's also an Eobard plot...

[Swaoeaeieu]

My unasked for thoughts about this episode while i watch it? Sure! here you go.

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Captain cold suggestion he and Rory go and break out of prison like old times was sure worth a chuckle, what with prison break back and all that.

but i must say, this is a pretty boring way to rewrite reality for a bunch of supervilains... And im not just talking about keeping your enemies alive.

Sarah's actress looks like she is enjoying being the bad guy (girl?) for a change, very silly comic booky indeed.

aaand she is back to being the boring good girl. :(

Rory is starting to look like the most believable person is this team... That can't be a good sign for the show.

Luckily Gideon is getting more and more sentient by the episode, wich is a nice touch to the on board AI thing we see around in sci-fi

And back to stupid villains, Damian got his magic? why the hell didnt he get MORE magic! you had the power to rewrite reality and you go back to something you allready HAD?! I swear this is the lamest reality rewrite ever! *insertsimpsonscomicbookguymeme*

Barrowman! what happend to you! you were so glorious as captain Harkness! why are you such a lame villain! ugh

"climactic battle" i cant say anything coherent about that battle scene

Snart and Rory have something great about them, completely over the top and rediculous, but also the best acting on the show. Good on you guys.

what is even the point with all this rewriting of reality? on flash they allready show multiple dimensions, are those all changed? dont they have a undead speedster hunting Eobard on those?

Now doctor old guy is on the bad guys side? I guess its his turn then.

Captain hunter remembers his olden days as The Doctors sidekick i see, rewiring his timeship and all that. But Zodi is right, that reveal of where the ship is is the best thing to happen this episide.

just... bleh.

[random11]

Flash should hire a servant whose entire job is to follow Barry around, and whenever he suggests time travel as a solution to ANY situation, just slap him in the face.

Same servant can also work for the villains in Legends, and get extra money whenever anyone suggests keeping a hero alive to make him suffer more.

[leafman]

Spoiler: New Flash Ep.

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So, Barry is going to go to the future because he thinks learning who Savitar is will somehow give him an advantage and help save Iris. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the A.I. Gideon from the future and still functional? If so, why not ask Gideon what it knows about Savitar before blundering into the future blind?

[The New Bruceski]

Can we call the Legends setting the Reverse Flashpoint?

[khadgar567]

Can we call the Legends setting the Reverse Flashpoint?

My idea is call all season of arrowverse as idiot point of new52

[Rogar Demonblud]

I haven't really liked anything since season two of Arrow, and am seriously considering not watching next year. So I'm with you.

[khadgar567]

@Rogar did you say you agree with me mate?

[Rogar Demonblud]

As these people all have Idiot Balls implanted in their skulls, it's really easy to make a case that this is idiocy in weekly form. I bailed on DC (again) after 52, so I presume your New 52 remark means they did that again and it was even worse?

Yeah, I think we're in agreement.

For more positive news, it sounds like Joss Whedon will be directing the Batgirl movie.

[Zalabim]

Well, if no one else will do it, I will. Another highlight is when Darke and Heywood almost high five.

And unfortunately the episode already named this Doomworld.

[LaZodiac]

That is a pretty great one. Doomworld is a silly name but it fits.

Also I think I mentioned it before, but it's really worth saying again. This episode was a fascinating little bit of insight into Rory and Captain Cold's characters. Same with the others of course, but mostly the two crime boys.

[Beleriphon]

I'm convinced Music Meister is actually a Fifth Dimensional being. When asked by HR if he's like from another Earth, he just blows it off and is all you couldn't even begin to understand. If they bring him back I'm hoping he's straight up something crazy like Bat-Mite.

[LaZodiac]

New Legends, cause Flash is taking a break.

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This was actually a pretty fun season finale? It was a little...murder-y but given the enemies involved it made sense. And in the end, we see that our heroes have learned and changed from this. They're a little unafraid of messing with time. Destiny will wait. So let's get some vay-cay time in Aruba!

Except...not quite. "Oops we broke time" and "What's a Goonie?" are both PRETTY fantastic "end of episode lines".

[Pronounceable]

Spoiler: my other time remnant is a paradox too

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It's against all rules of storytelling to kill Flash's archnemesis in a spinoff that doesn't even have him guest starring. Eobard will be back somehow.

Also Barry Allen has been overshadowed once again by Eobard, and this time in time ****ing department. Now who's the aberration, Thawne? NOW WHO'S THE ABERRATION!

Sarah Lance is why this spinoff show exists at all and she's the protagonist. We've always known it but now it's been made official.

Damien and Malcolm will hopefully come back at some point too. I haven't even watched s3 and 4 of Arrow but I know they ruined the thing, but this Legion of Doom stuff has redeemed them.

And it seems Rip's off the cast for good. I'm fine with it, never really liked him much (when being the regular heroic Rip, his every "other" character was golden).

I still have no idea how the best and the worst of these superhero series switched places like this. I dropped Flash completely a few weeks back and don't miss it at all. What's even going on in the writers rooms.

e: I also don't know why Katie Cassidy keeps coming back after all the stupid **** they've done to her character. I would've walked if I had half that much crap at a job. She must really love comic books.

[thorgrim29]

e: I also don't know why Katie Cassidy keeps coming back after all the stupid **** they've done to her character. I would've walked if I had half that much crap at a job. She must really love comic books.

"- Hey Katie, you want to come in the studio for a day and make 50 grand?
- Sure"

[khadgar567]

you know she may be f ing highlander in disguise she survive 4 different deads and still she comes back what we need to kill her omega beam from darkseid or some one needs to shove her to source wall

[LaZodiac]

Spoiler: my other time remnant is a paradox too

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It's against all rules of storytelling to kill Flash's archnemesis in a spinoff that doesn't even have him guest starring. Eobard will be back somehow.

Also Barry Allen has been overshadowed once again by Eobard, and this time in time ****ing department. Now who's the aberration, Thawne? NOW WHO'S THE ABERRATION!

Sarah Lance is why this spinoff show exists at all and she's the protagonist. We've always known it but now it's been made official.

Damien and Malcolm will hopefully come back at some point too. I haven't even watched s3 and 4 of Arrow but I know they ruined the thing, but this Legion of Doom stuff has redeemed them.

And it seems Rip's off the cast for good. I'm fine with it, never really liked him much (when being the regular heroic Rip, his every "other" character was golden).

I still have no idea how the best and the worst of these superhero series switched places like this. I dropped Flash completely a few weeks back and don't miss it at all. What's even going on in the writers rooms.

e: I also don't know why Katie Cassidy keeps coming back after all the stupid **** they've done to her character. I would've walked if I had half that much crap at a job. She must really love comic books.

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The Flash already BEAT Reverse Flash. This entire time he's been running from his lose, and the Legends finally finished him off. I can definitely see him coming back in SOME way though.

[Rynjin]

All I could think during the "shrunk Waverider" thing was "Woo Tiny Rip! Woo!"

[comicshorse]

So Julian served as a medic in the 'Royal army' eh ? I wonder where that was ?

[thorgrim29]

Afganistan or Iraq probably, I don't remember the brits being involved in another large scale deployment in the last 10 years

[GAZ]

Spoiler: New Flash Ep.

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So, Barry is going to go to the future because he thinks learning who Savitar is will somehow give him an advantage and help save Iris. Now, correct me if I'm wrong, but isn't the A.I. Gideon from the future and still functional? If so, why not ask Gideon what it knows about Savitar before blundering into the future blind?

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Eobard stole Gideon from the time vault back in Flash season 1. The only thing they have left at STAR Labs is that one newspaper.

[comicshorse]

Afganistan or Iraq probably, I don't remember the brits being involved in another large scale deployment in the last 10 years

Ahh sorry, I should have made it more clear I was being sarcastic. Nobody I have ever heard, and one of my friends is currently serving, refers to the British army as the 'royal army'

[Rogar Demonblud]

If you don't know, it sounds like a reasonable thing, given the Royal Navy and Royal Air Force.

[LaZodiac]

Once And Future Flash has happened.

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So, that's one hell of a bad future huh? But, there was something gained from it all. Perhaps we'll be able to win this and change the future?

[huttj509]

Once And Future Flash has happened.

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So, that's one hell of a bad future huh? But, there was something gained from it all. Perhaps we'll be able to win this and change the future?

A skype dialogue with my brother after I had finished the episode and he had not seen it (eastern/western US), regarding his psychic powers.

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Me: Regarding Flash: OH COME [expletive deleted] ON!
Brother: Let me guess, they reveal Savitar's identity as "oh we're not gonna tell you, but you'll be SO surprised when you find out."
Me: ...literally
Brother: For, you know, certain values of reveal
Me: Was frost's line in the trailer?
Brother: Really? I nailed it? Haven't seen the trailer.
Me: Killer Frost, regarding Savitar's identity: "I'm not gonna tell you, but you're gonna be sooo surprised when you find out."
Brother: I think I've been watching too many of these shows.

If I didn't know it hadn't aired there yet... He has a knack for doing this too, eerily accurately calling video game twists (even when they're not obvious tropes), etc.

OMG he's Savitar from the future! Only explanation!

[LaZodiac]

The...ONLY person it could be based on contextual clues is Barry or Ronnie. No one else makes sense, no one else really fits then criteria of "someone Frost would listen to without question".

[Klaatu B. Nikto]

The...ONLY person it could be based on contextual clues is Barry or Ronnie. No one else makes sense, no one else really fits then criteria of "someone Frost would listen to without question".

My guess is Ronnie. He disappeared between seasons 1 and 2 when Flash closed the singularity. They were Zoom's enforcers on Earth 2 and I think in the comics, Killer Frost (one of them at least) makes things cold by drawing on heat and was romantically involved with Ronnie's Firestorm.

My other guess would be Hunter Zolomon since Caitlyn fell in love with "Jay Garrick" before finding out he was actually Zoom. Eobard came back so why not "Jay"?

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So... Less than 8 years and everything is ruined. [Insert Trump joke here]

Regarding Savitar's identity, I refuse to play their game and get hyped by trying to figure out who it might be.
The show already proved that there is no point in guessing based on anything reasonable.
A character can literally by in two places at the same time, come from any timeline or alternate universe, and even death or being deleted from the timeline is no more than a minor inconvenience.
So no, I'm not going to guess, and I'm not thrilled about "you are going to be SO surprised" shtick anymore.
Either tell us or don't, these "surprises" lost their charm long ago.

What else is there? Oh yeah, emo Flash that kind of reminded me of Spider-man 3.
And no, that is not a good thing.

BTW, was it ever explained why Frost's powers also influence her behavior in such a drastic way? It doesn't seem to be the case to any other character that had super-powers so far, and we got an average of one per episode so far.

[thorgrim29]

My guess (based on comic book psych and not IRL psych to be clear) is that Caitlin was traumatized by the explosion, Ronnie's "death" then reappearance then real death and every other meta she knew apart from Barry turning evil (for a while). On top of that she went from a stable job and life to constantly being overwhelmed and put in danger. So when she found out she was a meta a part of her broke and created the Killer Frost identity who doesn't care about anyone and is always in control. I'm guessing her arc will be to finally accept that her powers are a part of her and that she can still be herself with the powers (whether that will remove the white hair, blue contacts and odd voice reverb remains to be seen).

About the episode:

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I can buy Barry gradually driving team Flash away when he obsesses over Savitar for 4 years and then not having the will to continue hero-ing after beating him proves empty. Not sure I buy him not being there for Joe. He would have done the stupid CW "He doesn't want to see me because I got his daughter killed and his son broken" thing for a while but not 8 years.

And I still think Savitar is Eddie Thawne. Not quite sure why Killer Frost would just follow him based on that though

[khadgar567]

all clues is there but we need sherlock to solve two plus two is savitar problem. Man this is realy the idiot point of new 52 did barry check the ring in iris's finger no he just started to grieving and vengeance shall be mine mode. If he checked the ring and there is no ring in her finger which means this is not the iris you are looking for slugger go beat savitar and let him race you to were she is you idiot