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2017-08-01, 07:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would Hel have kept her bargain with Thrym if he succeeded?
Do you guys not see the difference between Hel saying she'd use Thrym as a resource and Thrym not believing it, and Hel saying Thrym would be her consort while secretly stripping that title of all meaning?
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2017-08-01, 07:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would Hel have kept her bargain with Thrym if he succeeded?
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2017-08-02, 02:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would Hel have kept her bargain with Thrym if he succeeded?
Yeah, I get the feeling it was supposed to be a "you neglected the demigods and almost had the world destroyed as a result. So it's time to pay attention to us, because there could be other swing votes in the future!"
Which quickly turned into "Oh ****! We really are going to destroy the world, aren't we?"Last edited by Kardwill; 2017-08-02 at 02:22 AM.
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2017-08-02, 04:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-02, 07:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would Hel have kept her bargain with Thrym if he succeeded?
Okay, two things. One, that's completely effing irrelevant to the point of that post! People were pointing to Thrym ignoring something Hel said as proof that Hel didn't mean something else she said. Two, I've explained this several times already. Hel cannot afford to piss off her one potential ally.
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2017-08-02, 07:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would Hel have kept her bargain with Thrym if he succeeded?
Yet.
If Thrym succeeded then the world would be destroyed and Hel would be more powerful than the rest of the gods combined, and all the other gods would hate Thrym for selling them out to Hel.
At that point, Thrym is holding no cards. He's powerless and friendless.Last edited by Michaeler; 2017-08-02 at 07:10 AM.
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2017-08-02, 07:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would Hel have kept her bargain with Thrym if he succeeded?
Not nearly as friendless as Hel, what with the whole "arranged the destruction of the world specifically to gain power in the next one" thing. And Hel being the ruler of the pantheon just means she'll need allies even more. Unless she patches up relations with Loki and the rest of the pantheon really fast, she's going to need every friend she can get. Heck, even if she did, she'd still need every friend she can get—she'd just be able to get more.
And what would she get by ditching Thrym, anyways? A reputation for breaking promises and the freedom to marry any god foolish enough to believe she'll follow through this time?
I don't know why I'm bothering. I've said all of this before. But apparently some people either pity Thrym or hate Hel so much that they want her to be a bitch so far beyond what is reasonable.
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2017-08-02, 07:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would Hel have kept her bargain with Thrym if he succeeded?
No, but that's not the point. A Protest vote is a way to demonstrate political power and the willingness to use it. If (Hel's machinations aside) the vote had been a very close one, it would have been the demigods moment in the sun, when they could talk to the full gods and maybe extract concessions for future moots. Remember, moots are the only times all the gods are allowed to talk to one another, even when they don't get along, and it seems in most the demigods aren't even allowed a word, never mind a vote. Holding the world hostage to, say, get the full gods to agree to let the demigods an opinion before the votes would seem like a worthwhile cause.
In other words, the demigods' argument would be "if you paid more attention to us, you wouldn't have made so many people willing to listen to Hel's scheme". The neglect didn't lead to the current state of the world, but it did give Hel a lot more leverage than she should have had.
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2017-08-02, 07:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would Hel have kept her bargain with Thrym if he succeeded?
I think you are greatly overestimating the value of Thrym as an ally. He's a demigod of a relatively rare race, and all the worshipers he could muster weren't able to stop the Order with several days advance notice.
And given that Loki is a major god, I don't think anybody actually cares whether their boss is a liar or not.“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2017-08-02, 08:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would Hel have kept her bargain with Thrym if he succeeded?
Not that it matters much, but the frost giants had a few hours' notice, not several days.
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2017-08-02, 08:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would Hel have kept her bargain with Thrym if he succeeded?
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2017-08-02, 09:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would Hel have kept her bargain with Thrym if he succeeded?
Roy may be wrong or he may be right.
Hel has put some thought into it, but she may not be inclined to go into specifics with a dumb demigod, for fear preparations in the physical world might tip off the other gods. Giant tribes gathering into large warbands is exactly the kind of thing Asgardians would be on the look out for when going into a godsmoot -- assassination of high priests as a prelude to more open warfare is presumably a known risk, given the specific rules in place for bodyguards.
She may have come to the conclusion that Thrym could easily persuaded if the necessity arose, and left it at that.I owe Peelee 5 Quatloos. But I am going double or nothing that Durkon will be casting 8th level spells at the big finale.
I bet Goblin_Priest 5 quatloos that Xykon does not know RC has the phylactery at this point in the tale (#1139).
Using my Bardic skills I see the fate of Belkar...so close!
Using my Bardic skills I see the fate of goblinkind!
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2017-08-02, 09:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would Hel have kept her bargain with Thrym if he succeeded?
Nope, the gods and mortals didn't need any help to screw that part themselves. But neglecting the demigods led some of them to vote out of spite or because it was their only hope to get their voice heard at least once. Everyone was surprised so many of them were even at the moot, and they had to look for them because they didn't know where they waited. The demigods were nobodies, and so were completely unpredictable since none of the gods apart from Hel bothered to figure out what would happen nor seek their favors.
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2017-08-02, 02:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would Hel have kept her bargain with Thrym if he succeeded?
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2017-08-03, 02:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Would Hel have kept her bargain with Thrym if he succeeded?
Sure, there's that, too.
But they still left them at the kiddy table while the adults talk about grown-up stuff, and couldn't find them afterward. If I was the earthly representative of a friggin' demigod, I might be a little pissed off about being treated like a child abandoned in a supermarket by a drunken babysitter ^^Last edited by Kardwill; 2017-08-03 at 02:43 AM.