Alternate Class Features in OoTS

[Quartz]

Here, it is suggested that Belkar has the Spirit Lion Alternate Class Feature (ACF). One of the ways to explain Xykon's abilities is to give him the Metamagic Specialist ACF. Are there any other characters for whom there are indicators of possible ACFs?

[thereaper]

We know Thog has Dungeoncrasher.

[Quartz]

That's three then.

[DemonRoach]

Wouldn't this be answered by just perusing the opening posts of the character sheet thread you linked to?

[Quartz]

Wouldn't this be answered by just perusing the opening posts of the character sheet thread you linked to?

No, because we're looking at possible ACFs, not established ones. And I thought that Dungeoncrasher was a Feat anyway.

[Riftwolf]

Hilgya's Turn Undead could be ACF for Clerics of Loki. If we further hypothesise she turns as her cleric level-3, it'd solve a lot of problems the class/geek threads having atm.

[Jasdoif]

No, because we're looking at possible ACFs, not established ones. And I thought that Dungeoncrasher was a Feat anyway.

Dungeon Crasher is a Fighter ACF, so it trades away Fighter bonus feats (the only class features Fighter has) at levels 2 and 6. Being priced equivalently to a feat chain is pretty close to being a feat, conceptually.

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If anyone wants the exact citation about #808....

There seems to be some confusion over why Roy is taunting Thog, as well as some people who think Roy should have just jumped out of the way, so maybe I should break this down:

Thog is dungeoncrashing Roy, an alternate class feature for fighters from Dungeonscape (remember that Thog has two levels of fighter). This allows him to bull rush Roy into a solid object, doing 4d6 points of damage plus twice his Strength bonus (which is very high for a raging half-orc barbarian) to both Roy and the object. This is the same technique Thog used earlier on him in the arena.

Roy is using his Intimidate skill to taunt Thog into dungeoncrashing him into three specific load-bearing columns, one after another. The rules are that there is no dungeoncrash damage unless the user successfully bull rushes the target. If Roy dodges out of the way, there is no damage to the column and therefore, no way for the roof to collapse. Roy does not have the ability to damage the columns by himself without a weapon, so he is using Thog's special ability against him. Roy is thus willing to take a beating in order to stop Thog, because he does not have the means to stop him otherwise.

If you think that Roy was just getting his ass kicked until he got lucky and the roof fell, you are fundamentally misunderstanding what happened. Maybe that's my fault, but I was loathe to put in a clumsy speech balloon like, "If I can just get him to bull rush me into those three columns..."

[KillingAScarab]

Hilgya's Turn Undead could be ACF for Clerics of Loki. If we further hypothesise she turns as her cleric level-3, it'd solve a lot of problems the class/geek threads having atm.

Alternately, Hilgya has bone talisman on her spell list, and we didn't see the bone of turning since it was used off-panel. That's normally a Forgotten Realms druid spell, though.
Edit: Another possibility is that Leeky Windstaff signed up for revenge and gave Hilgya the bone talisman(s) at some point less than 10 minutes per level ago.

[Riftwolf]

On another note, Tarquin almost definitely had ACFs, it's just we never knew his C.

[KillingAScarab]

On another note, Tarquin almost definitely had ACFs, it's just we never knew his C.

Nah, there's no need to make alternate class features, when Tarquin is a custom job.

But for a while now, ALL feats have been homebrewed feats, all items have been homebrewed items, all new characters have unspecified classes, etc. Even when I have a specific actual game rule in mind when I use them.

Of course, that means I am working in direct active opposition to the purpose of this thread and there will never be an official definitive answer for anything that occurs ever again. Whoops.

4.) To be perfectly clear: I do not actually wish I could go back and remove D&D from the earlier OOTS strips, nor do I wish for D&D to have no place going forward. What I really want is to write the comic with moderate broad-strokes adherence to the concepts embodied in D&D, and for everyone to get off my back when I get some of the fiddly details wrong, or invent a new thing that doesn't currently exist in the game.

These quotes should be taken into consideration for any of the newer characters. Thog and Hilgya are old enough that they'll stick closer to D&D established classes, and Hilgya still needs to call out her spell names, but she could also just have a custom feat to grant turning.