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2018-03-22, 10:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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How much does a Gargantuan Adamantine Greatsword cost?
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Adamantine weapons cost 3,000gp more than their normal counterpart. I understand this.
Weapons cost double for each size category increase. I understand this.
So a normal gargantuan greatsword will cost 50 * 2(large) * 2(Huge) * 2(Gargantuan) = 50*8 = 400gp. I understand this.
But what about Gargantuan Adamantine Greatsword? Is it... 3,000gp + 400gp = 3400gp? Or is it 3050gp * 8 = 24,400gp?
Seeing how a adamantine dagger costs the same as an adamantine greatsword, size doesn't seem to be a factor.
Same question with masterwork weapons. Does a masterwork greatsword cost 300+400=700gp? or 350*8 = 2800gp?
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2018-03-23, 12:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How much does a Gargantuan Adamantine Greatsword cost?
According to the stronghold builder's guide, a gargantuan sized house made out of adamantine costs 30,000gp so 24,400gp sounds right.
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2018-03-23, 01:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How much does a Gargantuan Adamantine Greatsword cost?
Item prices reflect at least two distinct factors:
- The cost of the materials; and
- The craftsmanship required.
For human-sized adamantine weapons, the craftsmanship factor dominates, and so you add +3k gp.
Looking at darkwood in comparison, there is no notable craftsmanship factor, so you just pay for the material: +10 gp per lb.
There is no per-lb. price for adamantine in the SRD, but I bet you could dig up such a price. You can also calculate the larger weapon's weight. I'd suggest that you calculate the item's price in two ways:
- First, the cost of a regular item scaled up, plus 3k gp.
- Second, the price to craft an adamantine item of X lb.
The final price is whichever of those two is greater.I want you to PEACH me as hard as you can.
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2018-03-23, 02:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How much does a Gargantuan Adamantine Greatsword cost?
RAW: 3400.
I've seen people try to rationalize it with adamantine doors/walls being cheap per pound compared to gear, the presumption being the price is mostly about craftsmanship. But then, when was RAW concerned about logic.Last edited by emeraldstreak; 2018-03-23 at 05:16 AM.
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2018-03-23, 02:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How much does a Gargantuan Adamantine Greatsword cost?
All adamantine weapons are considered masterwork already.
But yes, it'd be 3050 * 8.
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2018-03-23, 05:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How much does a Gargantuan Adamantine Greatsword cost?
RAW explicitly says masterwork costs the same regardless of size. So the 300 mwk cost included in adamantine cost cannot be increased for size.
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2018-03-23, 05:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How much does a Gargantuan Adamantine Greatsword cost?
You don't subtract the cost from masterwork cost for adamantine for any calculation.
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2018-03-23, 05:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-03-23, 06:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How much does a Gargantuan Adamantine Greatsword cost?
All rules for making weapons larger than Large is outside of RAW in the first place.
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2018-03-23, 06:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-03-23, 06:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How much does a Gargantuan Adamantine Greatsword cost?
Originally Posted by SRD, Weapons
The bolded part shows wich price is multiplied stating that only the listed price is doubled, with the masterwork or special materials being an added modifier after the item price is calculated.
So your sword would cost:
50 gp x 8 = 400 gp + 3.000 gp = 3.400 gp
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2018-03-23, 06:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How much does a Gargantuan Adamantine Greatsword cost?
I an pretty sure this invokes the doubling doubling being 3x rule.
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2018-03-23, 07:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-03-23, 07:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-03-23, 11:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-03-23, 11:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How much does a Gargantuan Adamantine Greatsword cost?
Most. Not weapons or armors
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2018-03-23, 03:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How much does a Gargantuan Adamantine Greatsword cost?
So, as we can see from the answers above, and the times the same and similar questions have been asked previously, there is no consensus, and RAW can be read (at least) two ways.
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2018-03-23, 05:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-03-23, 10:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-03-23, 10:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How much does a Gargantuan Adamantine Greatsword cost?
Armor doesn't say "listed price". It just says costs half for small characters and double for large characters.
Armor is clearly affected by size, but weapons... a small greatsword and a medium greatsword costs the same but a large greatsword costs double.
I'm not denying 3,400gp is just pure RAW, and as others said RAW defies logic more often than not.
I guess Thurbane is right, ask your DM.
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2018-03-23, 10:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-03-23, 10:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-03-23, 11:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How much does a Gargantuan Adamantine Greatsword cost?
Thing is, the adamantine part is considered a modifier, not base price.
But yeah, we have four things that are relevant in the RAW.
First as i posted above, in the RAW you can only have a weapon of up to large, wich is probably a mistake on the devs, but the RAW on this also considers listed price.
Second, for armor, there is a table with multipliers that don't actually state what price is multiplied, and there are two possibilities, listed price VS total price. Considering consistency, i would say that for armors it would just follow the same logic that for weapons, only multiplying listed price.
Third, we have bardings, wich also have a multiplier without specifying what price is multiplied, so it can also swing both ways. I'm still think the devs would just be consistent on this kind of stuff, so i would say the listed price is used.
Fourth, from the SRD and DMG:
Originally Posted by SRD, Magic weaponsOriginally Posted by DMG, 217
Now we discuss the two options:
A) We only multiply the listed price of an item, adding the other modifiers like masterwork or special materials after. Resulting in a formula that looks like this:
Item total price = [(Base price) x (Size multiplier)] + Modifiers
B) We multiply the special material costs, but... We have to subtract the masterwork property from the cost. Also, considering the RAW on weapons, this discussion is only valid for armors, shields and barding.
Item total price = {[(Base price) + (Special material - Masterwork)] x (Size multiplier)} + Masterwork
Option B sounds a little complicated compared to A and normally i would just opt for simplicity and consistency.
Another point is that i don't actually feel that is something bad since i normally see people having problems to deal with armors for mounts and such. Since there is already a X2 price on those bardings, the costs can ramp up really fast, wich normally makes barding way too much expensive for what it offers.
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2018-03-23, 11:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-03-23, 11:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2018-03-24, 01:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How much does a Gargantuan Adamantine Greatsword cost?
Hah, since I suck at this debate, I'm gonna keep my mouth shut XD.
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2018-03-24, 10:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How much does a Gargantuan Adamantine Greatsword cost?
The Arms and Equipment Guides states, on page 4, that "If you’re designing a weapon larger than the standard, its weight increases by 50% for each size category increase. Its cost increases at the same rate."
So a large greatsword made out of adamantine would be 3,050*2, or 6,100 gp, .then +50% for Huge, and another 50% for Gargantuan, for a total of 12,200 gp.Resident Mad Scientist...
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2018-03-24, 10:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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2018-03-24, 11:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How much does a Gargantuan Adamantine Greatsword cost?
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2018-03-24, 11:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: How much does a Gargantuan Adamantine Greatsword cost?
I agree with Tonymitsu. His approach has text support, it is straightforward, and it keeps the cost scaling of flat +X gp special materials equal to that of + X gp/lb materials. There will be odd fringe cases, but this is 3rd edition, odd fringe cases is what it's all about, bro.