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    Default Is there a name for a ghost master?

    I have three questions:

    I have always liked the idea of necromancers, but I don't think commanding an army of rotten corpses is that cool.

    I could use skeletons, they look very metal but overall they are often weak.

    So the best way to have a non-smelly army of undead minions are the spectral undead.



    I wonder if there is a name for a necromancer who specializes in ghosts and spectres, if there is what is their name?

    Can you guys give me examples of ghost masters in popular media to serve as inspirations?

    What's the best color for my spectral minions? Green or blue?

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    Default Re: Is there a name for a ghost master?

    There have certainly been names for mechanics-packages that focused on spectral undead, but the ones I know are very D&D-specific (e.g. Master of Shrouds) and most of them were bad at their jobs relative to a generic Cleric or Wizard.


    As an aside, you might be able to clean up skeletal undead so they don't have any meaty bits left, then augment / plate the bones with some sort of nice shiny metal -- something strong and adamant.

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    In the Dresden Files, a character with very similar powers (mostly unused, but there) is referred to as an "ectomancer".

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    I don'^t like the name Ectomancer much, though. I mean, the -mancy suffix is reasonably justified as it can be used for divination, but "Ecto" means "outside".

    Spiritualist might be justified, I suppose?
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    D&D 3.5e has the Master of Shrouds.

    Quote Originally Posted by Master of Shrouds Description
    The master of shrouds is an evil spellcaster who magically seizes incorporeal undead and sets them to do her bidding. Plucking vile creatures such as wraiths and shadows from their restless haunts, she summons them to her presence and commands them to work her will. Furious at their forced servitude, the wrathful undead spread fear and death in their wake.

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    Spectromancer?

    And, of course, you might go with Shaman
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    Surprised no one's suggested Ghost Whisperer yet.

    Here are a few more suggestions:
    Spirit Wrangler
    Ghost Caller
    Spectral Summoner
    Witch Doctor
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    Quote Originally Posted by Poiuytrewq View Post
    I wonder if there is a name for a necromancer who specializes in ghosts and spectres, if there is what is their name?
    Originally, it was "necromancer". All the stuff with zombies and other physical undead was added recently. It used to mean someone who talks to ghosts to get hidden information.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuc Xac View Post
    Originally, it was "necromancer". All the stuff with zombies and other physical undead was added recently. It used to mean someone who talks to ghosts to get hidden information.
    Yeah I'm aware of that, it really sucks all these XXXXmancer makes no sense, the mancer part means "See the future with" so a geomancer sees the future with rock and stone and a pyromancer see the future using flames, I don't know where the "Control XXXX" ideia comes from and why it has stuck in fantasy media. :/

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    Quote Originally Posted by Poiuytrewq View Post
    Yeah I'm aware of that, it really sucks all these XXXXmancer makes no sense, the mancer part means "See the future with" so a geomancer sees the future with rock and stone and a pyromancer see the future using flames, I don't know where the "Control XXXX" ideia comes from and why it has stuck in fantasy media. :/
    I learned something today. Thank you.

    Also I feel the classical use for ghosts and spirits is to gain information from the afterlife thus making the term 'necromancer' the most fitting.

    Animancer perhaps? (I cannot translate the greek word for afterlife to a latin alphabet as I lack the ability to read cyrillic). It would be a word play on "animate" as well as use the latin word for spirit (animus) and still incorporate the primary goal of dealing with ghosts and spirits.

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    It's even a trope in tv tropes:

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph.../Whatevermancy

    I would go with Geist master or geistmancer or soemthing geist.

    Necromancer implyes all forms of undead geist kind of give away your ghost preference.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ComaVision View Post
    D&D 3.5e has the Master of Shrouds.
    I wrote a handbook for that prestige class! A character based around summoning incorporeal undead is such a cool concept :)
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuc Xac View Post
    It used to mean someone who talks to ghosts to get hidden information.
    I think that's now a medium.
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    Ghostbuster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S@tanicoaldo View Post
    It's even a trope in tv tropes:
    "TVTropes: If it happened twice in a work of fiction, we have at least 3 twee, punny names for it."

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    Quote Originally Posted by banice View Post
    I think that's now a medium.
    I was going to suggest Medium, but another RL word that could be repurposed for this is Spiritualist.

    IF you ware willing to have mutliple words then a simple Spirit Mage would work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by S@tanicoaldo View Post
    It's even a trope in tv tropes:

    http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph.../Whatevermancy

    I would go with Geist master or geistmancer or soemthing geist.

    Necromancer implyes all forms of undead geist kind of give away your ghost preference.
    Ugh, no. Mixing German and Greek roots is worse than mixing Greek and Latin.

    How about the Greek Phantasma, meaning a spectre? Phantasmancy is not too bad.
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    If you go German, at least go for "Geisterbeschwörer" my friend. "Geistmancer" would need an o in the middle, and Geistomancer sounds like a mock item on sale on a shopping channel.

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    let's mix some more roots! I suggest Ghostobeschwörer.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldan View Post
    let's mix some more roots! I suggest Ghostobeschwörer.
    Shrouded Geistomant.

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    Verschleierter Ghostomantist?
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    What about Geistergruppenführer? Necromant mit Fahrvergnügen?

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    Ghost Master sounds good to me, I'd accept that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuc Xac View Post
    What about Geistergruppenführer? Necromant mit Fahrvergnügen?
    You may want to avoid anything with "Führer" in it on an English speaking forum, as fitting as it might be Points for Fahrvergnügen, though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Xuc Xac View Post
    What about Geistergruppenführer? Necromant mit Fahrvergnügen?
    Quote Originally Posted by Eldan View Post
    You may want to avoid anything with "Führer" in it on an English speaking forum, as fitting as it might be Points for Fahrvergnügen, though.
    The slightly funny (?) connotation still stands in German. Though I like "Geisterreiseführer" (ghost tour guide). :D

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    Ghost Master sounds good to me, I'd accept that.
    Geistermeister is probably too much, no?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sporeegg View Post
    The slightly funny (?) connotation still stands in German. Though I like "Geisterreiseführer" (ghost tour guide). :D
    Technically speaking, a ghost tour guide would be someone leading a large group of spectral undead.

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    Geistermeister is probably too much, no?
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    I like the idea of a leading an army of ghost tourists, especially if their guide has them paying to follow around and kill whoever they're told to kill. Possibly many of them have cameras.

    "Come visit the fascinating mortal realm! You may have been there before, but did they have consumer electronics then? Do you even know what consumer electronics are? Here's your chance to find out! You won't believe the deals we're offering! Huge group discounts!"

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eldan View Post
    Ugh, no. Mixing German and Greek roots is worse than mixing Greek and Latin.

    How about the Greek Phantasma, meaning a spectre? Phantasmancy is not too bad.
    Phantasmagorist?

    "Master of Shrouds" works since many people here will know what you mean.
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    Spectral Harbinger

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    If your necromancer wears a cowboy hat like Murlynd:

    Wraith wrangler or Poltergeist puncher

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