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2020-08-21, 02:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-21, 03:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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I hope that this doesn't mean that Diane is a full-elf now.
Not being able to do certain things that everyone else can do because a bunch of inhuman weirdos agreed that you weren't allowed to do them centuries before you were born has got to suck.
Though, considering how immortal law is enforced, I have to wonder if the Immortals can actually enforce those bans?I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2020-08-21, 03:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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I was thinking that we went from closest to the mirror to farthest away, first spell recorded to most recent, and that Diane's ear mod was one from Noriko's time with the mirror.
It could also be a "full disguise based on the reflection" rather than general spell recording, which makes it specifically well suited for transformation magic.
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2020-08-21, 06:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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I didn't think about that, but I would actually love that. It gives Diane a story and a reason to be here, and, more importantly, it allows Dan to actually delve into what these rules are and how they work, deepening the world lore. This would also lead quite well into your question there. Diane is an intrinsically rebellious person and would definitely buck under restriction. Perhaps we could find out just what the limits are and where the lines are drawn.
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2020-08-21, 10:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Update: The most recent page has been re-upload because Dan made an art mistake and miscolored one of the character's hair. Just incase this changes anyone's fan theories.
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2020-08-21, 10:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thank you, I totally missed Diane's ears.
I thought Nanase was standing earlier, therefore clone Tedd is probably Nanase.
I think Grace is Grace, because antennae.
I think Sarah is next to Grace -- showing more tummy and less bust, which is very Sarah-like, and not Ellenish. I think Ellen is the V5 girl (or Mall Elliot form?) closest to Tedd Clone/Nanase because most likely to wear that and most likely to be next to Nanase.
What's weird, to me, is the choice of clones.
Justin did ask about looking like Nanase, which may be relevant.
Nanase is Tedd's (ugly?) cousin ... yeah, no real ideas here.
So, why does Susan look like Justin's new female form?
Of course this would mean that Sarah and Grace wereunaffectedbarely affected -- Grace now has her antennae out, and Sarah lost her hairband. Tedd, as a seer can resist.But another explanation works better, I think. The mirror sees Grace and Sarah as "native" to the cellar, just as Tedd is, and avoids splashing them with magic not directed at them.
Or maybe I'm wrong about everything. I do like the idea of Diane awakening here, tho.
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2020-08-21, 10:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Eh, maybe? But the restrictions appear to be about affecting the world with the awesomeness of one's powerful magical heritage. And Diane isn't interested in changing the world that way. (https://www.egscomics.com/comic/2016-01-06)
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2020-08-21, 11:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Mr. Raven explicitly states that being an elf means he couldn't be in the miiltary.
His immortal heritage doesn't seem to give him anything that would particularly affect his performance in such a matter.
It's possible that the rules that Govern elves are oppressive strict.
Of course, we know with Immortals if you don't think you're breaking the rules then you aren't, and if you don't think the rules are valid in the first place then you're not breaking a rule.
Diane is Pandora's Gradndaughter and, as noted above, she has that rebellious streak.Last edited by Rater202; 2020-08-21 at 11:07 PM.
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2020-08-22, 06:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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I think everyone is sitting/standing in the same place they were here which makes the Tedd clone Grace, and means that Nanase turned into Grace, including antennae somehow.
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2020-08-22, 09:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Nowadays, sure. But recall the rules are old, from when combat was chainmail, pikes and crossbows (or earlier). Nowadays, a half-immortal wizard would mostly be useful as a spy and/or assassin.
How rules for hybrids are enforced is unclear, but Adrian Raven told Abraham "No one will care if I kill you." This suggests that whatever the mechanism is, it isn't automagical like those which govern immortals themselves.
Also, the rules restricting immortals are not likely to prevent them from enforcing any other rules they have agreed on.
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2020-08-22, 12:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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But that would require the Fairies to be hypocrites!...
Of course, we don't really have a decent enough sample.
We have Voltaire, who is a narcissistic jackass who wants immortals to be able to screw with humans whenever they want.
We have the French Immortals, who in their previous life went out of their way to manipulate two children into becoming killers to deal with a vampire instead of going to the proper authorities and arbitrarily decided that Magus's time was up and he had to die.
And an unknown number of immortals that tortured Magus for funzies.
And Zeus, who clearly on some level resents being bound by Jerry's vows and sense of responsibility. Still seems like a good guy, but not as much a good guy as Jerry.
On the good side, we Jerry.
We have Pandora in her lucid moments—when he mental illness is going she's almost as bad as Voltaire
And we have Hanma, assuming that her canonical self is more or less the same as her appearance in Goonmanji.
It'd may in fact be totally in-character for Immorals to decide on totally arbitrary rules for their mortal/"mortal" offspring and enforce them even though they themselves refuse to be judged by others unless they knowingly and willingly break the rules.I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2020-08-22, 01:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-30, 11:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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So, we got a rolecall.
Also, Diane... You remember New Years, don't you? Having a procedure in place for this kind of thing is just common sense.
So I imagine that the next step will be to see if Grace can change back on her own.I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2020-08-31, 12:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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For the NP, Jay appears to be enjoying this a little too much. OTOH, these are the people that had her locked up for at least a few hours and probably a few days, so perhaps that sadistic grin is warranted.
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2020-08-31, 12:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: El Goonish ShiVe: Look! Squirrel!
Last panel is interesting, as it implies that Grace has picked up Tedd's myopia. She's never included that (as far as I can recall) in any of her transformation spells, which is a hit to the "mirror is just tossing out the spells it saw" theory.
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2020-08-31, 01:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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More interestingly, Nanase says "Everything is weird" while having antennae out, suggesting that she has gained Grace's enhanced senses. That's a new thing right there. (Also, her expression is very Grace, but that may just be ... artistic limitations. Aka, the thing that launched the whole Diane -&- Susan connection subplot.)
Also, Grace may feel like the world is fuzzy because she lost her extra Uryuom-type senses.
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2020-08-31, 02:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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It actually did, since from the black hair, I though that Elliot looks like Susan. In my defence, there were not much details to work with from that shot.
I am giving myself a cookie anyway. I mean, I would still eat a cookie, but now I am totally giving myself one.
edit: I do wonder, why and how the changes are so throughout and how easy they will be to undo. Since the mirror only started working after magic's "not changing", anything could be true and we already did see completly unforseen magical effects from not-quite-working artifacts with Kevin.Last edited by Radar; 2020-08-31 at 02:51 AM.
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2020-08-31, 03:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Actually, we don't know if this is related to the "not-change."
We know that the Mirror was supposed to save magical energy but instead it did a fwooshy thing and then got replaced by Cheesecake.
This might be what the Fwooshy thing did all along.
And I'm pretty sure it was Noriko who made it, since the dialog doesn't sound like Edward's normal speech...
Ooh... They might have to call Tedd's Mom to figure out how to fix this.
Or, multible levels of awkward: First they call Tedd's dad, who rushes over becuase emergency... And Lavander comes with him, leading into that conversation... And he cna't do **** so they have to call Raven, leading to Awkward with Diane and Susan and, possibly, Noah.... And all he can do is criticism the craftmanship, as alluded to so then they have to call Noriko.I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2020-08-31, 03:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-31, 04:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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I am not sure about the whole chain of events, but the idea that Noriko was the one, who made the mirror might be actually right. Edward would not have forgetten about a magical mirror he made, so he would have warned Tedd about it as he has seen it together with Tedd and most likely knew that Tedd would use it to view themself transformed or for a whole transformation party concerning the comment about who should move it.
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2020-08-31, 04:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-31, 10:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-31, 10:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-08-31, 10:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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In the card game tournament arc it was commented that Tedd might actually need glasses now becuase he had to squint to see things far away. At first, Tedd denied it, but...
And in the last couple of years, Tedd has been drawn on multiple occasions as wearing ordinary, non-technological glasses.
So, basically, Tedd, like many people, started out with perfect vision and then developed myopia later in life.
Or maybe Tedd had just never been to the optometrist after te first diagnosis of 20/20 vision and his vision had been slowly deteriorating ever since: My vision got bad enough that I needed glasses between my first and second optometrists appointment, but I lost my first pair of glasses and never found them again it wasn't until middle school like, at least six years later that my vision was bad enough that I needed needed glasses.I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2020-08-31, 10:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Tedd's new non-magical glasses were shown in this arc, immediately prior to the first use of the wand by Diane (changing Ashley's hair color). Everyone made a bigger fuss about the glasses than the wand and Diane thought they were trolling her.
Here's the first page of that.Last edited by Qwertystop; 2020-08-31 at 10:57 PM.
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2020-08-31, 11:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Actually no, Tedd's glasses were first shown in this NP strip a few months before that.
I think we had a conversation about it here.I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2020-08-31, 11:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2020-09-01, 06:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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You know? I just noticed that the current NP story is already going for a whole year. I wonder how long this will be.
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2020-09-01, 11:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Tedd needs a cooldown hug, ASAP.
She's never gonna figure out a solution if she's too angry about Noriko being Noriko.I also answer to Bookmark and Shadow Claw.
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2020-09-02, 03:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ah! Symbolism!
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