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2019-10-04, 09:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-10-04, 09:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground XCIX
I think it'll be a round 100 special rather than an October Haloween round. Demonologist or Mortal Hunter would be cool though.
I kind of think it'll be Spinemeld Warrior. All the pomp and circumstance of its various titles seems appropriate for round 100 and Helio's sendoff as chair.
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2019-10-04, 12:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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My money's on Dragon Ascendant
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2019-10-04, 12:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-10-04, 12:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Cracking the ELH....whoa there. I was joking about soulborn I swear! I do not want to fill out an epic level table and all that....mess. And I have successfully played epic as a non caster.
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2019-10-04, 07:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Come onnnnn Dragonkith!
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2019-10-04, 09:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-10-05, 02:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground XCIX
Oof yeah, that one is terrible too. It kinda got done in the appetizer challenge though, when they did a prc round and 4 people figured out that survivor was 1 of 2 prc's that you could finish in e6.
I think that round ended up getting split between survivors and other classes?Jasnah avatar by Zea Mays
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2019-10-05, 12:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground XCIX
Four entries out of ten were Survivor, going Commoner 1/Survivor 5, but the winning three used other builds - the goal wasn't to use all the levels of a class, but to use at least two and as many as you could.
That said, first and third place DID use all three levels of three level PrCs (Squire of Legend and Stoneblessed, respectively). I think you could also use Jaunter, if you make a human, take Fighter 1 and multiclass into something with Knowledge Planes at 2nd level, then go into Jaunter for four levels to finish the six. Not the strongest build, but it is an option that uses a whole prestige class in E6.
Still have a gut feeling that Blackguard could be our Centennial challenge, but guess we'll see.
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2019-10-05, 03:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-10-05, 03:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground XCIX
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2019-10-05, 04:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by Venger; 2019-10-05 at 04:06 PM.
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2019-10-05, 07:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-10-09, 10:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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I don't know if this is the appropriate place to ask this, but out of interest:
What's the rationale for banning fractional BAB in IC? Is there a specific reason it's not viewed as kosher?Join the 3.5e Discord server: https://discord.gg/ehGFz6M3nJ
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2019-10-09, 10:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground XCIX
by all means it's an appropriate place.
it's banned the same reason any variant rule system (spell points, item familiar, etc.) because let's say I use fractional ba in my build and you don't, and everything else is identical. well, i've basically gotten free goodies for no reason that you do not and will get marked higher in power. it creates an unequal playing field, so we are all held to using the same rules.
can we have the reveal now? I'm excited to see what's in store for us for the next round.Last edited by Venger; 2019-10-09 at 10:14 AM.
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2019-10-09, 10:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground XCIX
Unlike item familiars, however, it has no opportunity cost, and unlike spell points or similar variants it has no potential to make a certain build any worse than it is, so it doesn't impact parity so much as expand the range of options.
I'm not arguing with your answer, just clarifying why I guessed it was because the competition either disliked the rule from a balance perspective or disliked specific build types that benefited from it. If either is the case I'd still be interested to know about it.Last edited by Elves; 2019-10-09 at 10:28 AM.
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2019-10-09, 10:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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I've got a new fantasy TTRPG about running your own fencing school in a 3 musketeers pastiche setting. Book coming soon.
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2019-10-09, 10:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground XCIX
There is another reason.
The guidelines try to put contestants into character creation space that allows their characters to be picked up by strangers and used in real play in real life. Reliance on too many variant rules for the competition metagame destroys this utility. You see this demonstrated in many judges approaches as well. Here are some judging criticisms that we see and expect
*Too many sources! It took you 26 books to make this character! No one does that
*Over-reliance on items or one specific item: Not all games have magicmarts
*Although RAW legal, it will never fly at a real table
* Too much multiclassing!
Here's a contrapositive:
*no-one is penalized for ignoring favored class rules because most tables don't actually follow this rule in real play
So the ability to lift an iron chef entry has this expectation that if a GM allows all first party gaming material, any iron chef build will be a viable pre-generated character for you to use in real play. Some of us push this envelope, using weird obscure web articles, but they get docked by judges (for cheese) back down because of this loss of generic table utility.
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Further, banning fractional stuff still allows you to use these builds if your table allows fractional stuff, your character will just be even better than the original chef made it. It is still plug and play.
The opposite isn't true: building a character with fractional stuff will likely lead to character design that cannot be used at non-fractional tables. And thus, it makes sense to ban it.
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2019-10-09, 11:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground XCIX
It also makes qualification for anything requiring a BaB easier for better or worse, and rewards random dips more. If I dip in 4 half bab classes I get 2 BaB compared to getting 0 normally. That can be a substantial increase in power or ease of entry, and a more restrictive system leads to more creativity. My 2 copper.
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2019-10-12, 09:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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My finals for the quarter just finished. I have roughly a week with just my day job to worry about, though I’ll have homework next weekend.
The sooner the new round is posted, the more likely it is that I can participate without making choices I’ll later regret. And I really want to join round 100, so I’m gonna be selfish here: can we please move on? Like, immediately?In the Beginning Was the Word, and the Word Was Suck: A Guide to Truenamers
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2019-10-12, 09:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-10-13, 09:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm for it.
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2019-10-13, 12:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think we've waited long enough for any other judges to have a window to give input, so let's get the 100th show rolling!
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2019-10-13, 09:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground XCIX
Just for fun, here's the rubric I was using while ever-so-slowly working my way through the entries.
Spoiler: CriteriaAll scores start at 3 except for Elegance, which starts at 5. I’m branching out from my usual strategy of just going with my gut for the final score in each category (after analyzing all the factors in detail); this time I’m going to try to assign hard values to all my judgments. Maybe I’ll like it, maybe I won’t.
Originality:
I’m actually a relative newb at character optimization. As such, for the most part I’m not going to be able to recognize the relative originality or lack thereof as far as mechanics outside of my spheres of knowledge. Rather than fall into the trap of penalizing only builds that fall into those spheres of knowledge, Originality will be split in to a few parts to deemphasize mechanical tricks.
–The fluff: story, characterization, tone. (+0 to +1)
–Race: what can I say, these contests are inundated with humans and dragonborn. I’d like to reward variety beyond that. (–0.5 to +0.5)
–Other mechanics: (up to ±0.25 each)
Power:
–Levels 1-5 (–0.5 to +0.5)
–Levels 6-10 (–0.5 to +0.5)
–Levels 11-15 (–0.5 to +0.5)
–Levels 16-20 (–0.5 to +0.5)
–Overall versatility: can a combat character contribute outside of combat and vice versa? This is also taken into account in the points for each level bracket. (–0.5 to +0.5)
Elegance:
–Overall ‘flow’ of the progression: here’s another place where fluff can help you out. If your fluff makes the progression feel more natural (or at least more justifiable) this penalty will be reduced or even waived. (up to –1)
–Mechanical flaws (up to –1 each)
–Table errors and similar, when what it’s supposed to be is still clear. (–0.1 each)
Use of the Secret Ingredient:
Gonna come back to this one. Here are my rough thoughts.
–Mechanical synergy/importance to the build (–0.5 to +1.5)
–Each level taken (+0.1)
–Each level not taken (–0.1)
Note that sufficiently taking advantage of the classes features can make up the points for missing levels. Note also that there is no penalty for getting creative with the flavor/feel of the class; you won’t be docked because (for instance) Life-Eaters are described as assassins and you’ve used it on a frontline warrior or a diplomat.
While I'm fairly happy with the rubric itself, trying to implement it has convinced me that such a strict system is not for me, and future attempts at judging will return to my "thorough analysis of everything I found worth mentioning, but the final score in each category is determined by going with my gut" strategy.Originally Posted by Darths & DroidsOptimization Trophies
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2019-10-13, 09:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimisation Challenge in the Playground XCIX
Thanks, PoeticallyPsyco. Maybe you can take a crack at judging in round 100.
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2019-10-16, 11:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Apologies for delay, brain is being unhelpful. Will post reveal when I wrestle it into submission.
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2019-10-16, 12:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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We appreciate you, Heliomance!
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2019-10-16, 12:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Thanks for the update. Hope you feel better.
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2019-10-21, 02:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Is there any way we can help? Appreciate all that you do!
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2019-10-21, 02:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've got a new fantasy TTRPG about running your own fencing school in a 3 musketeers pastiche setting. Book coming soon.
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