Marvel Cinematic Universe at Comic Con (SDCC 2019)

[Dienekes]

Bah, the Jane subplots were the worst bits of Thor1 and 2, which contributed to those two being easily the least likable Marvel movies for me. Ditching her for the far more fun and interesting Valkyrie was a great choice I wish they'd keep.

Hopefully with Waititi at the helm it will be fun, but it's not a promising start.

Anyway, I'm all for the Passing of the Shield movie, and interested in Blade. The rest I'm a bit more cautious about. Mostly waiting for a Guardians 3, I think. And I'm just not going to sign up for the Disney tv show thing, so I'll be missing out on all those. And honestly, while I like Widow and Hawkeye I'm not certain they can carry a full tv show. As to Loki, I don't know what more there is to say about that character. He had a good character arc, but it finished. But I was never as enraptured by him as everyone else I guess. As long as the Loki fans enjoy it, I guess.

[Cikomyr]

Wanda is also confirmed for DS2 right?

Will What If be their answer to Black Mirror?

DS? What'd that again?

[Talakeal]

DS? What'd that again?

Doctor Strange.

[Cikomyr]

Doctor Strange.

Riiight

I knew that..

[Delicious Taffy]

More of that Doctor Strange fellow, I see. That ought to be fun.

That Thor logo looks fantastic.

[comicshorse]

I'd love a 'Shang Chi' movie provided they keep it true to its pulpy roots. Plenty of evil masterminds, spies, booby traps, weird martial arts weapons, etc. And a lead actor who can actually make a fight look good. Everything they didn't do with 'Iron Fist' really

[Reddish Mage]

I'd love a 'Shang Chi' movie provided they keep it true to its pulpy roots. Plenty of evil masterminds, spies, booby traps, weird martial arts weapons, etc. And a lead actor who can actually make a fight look good. Everything they didn't do with 'Iron Fist' really

The lead actor has been calling out Marvel for years for not casting an Asian superhero (he also declared back in December they should pick him). It’s simply time to see if the guy can walk the walk.

Of course he will, because, unlike Netflix, Disney will spend the time and energy to make the fight scenes glorious.

It’s not hard to get a fight scene to work when you have millions to spend and months to train the actors and the best fight choreographers in the business. Netflix tried to do it on a shoestring budget (less than Daredevil) in a condensed timeframe.

[Traab]

The lead actor has been calling out Marvel for years for not casting an Asian superhero (he also declared back in December they should pick him). It’s simply time to see if the guy can walk the walk.

Of course he will, because, unlike Netflix, Disney will spend the time and energy to make the fight scenes glorious.

It’s not hard to get a fight scene to work when you have millions to spend and months to train the actors and the best fight choreographers in the business. Netflix tried to do it on a shoestring budget (less than Daredevil) in a condensed timeframe.

How many asian superheroes are there? I mean seriously, I have barely even heard of this shiang guy and all across marvel AND dc im having a hard time thinking of any. Sunfire? Thinking on it, Jubilee is asian, but I had forgotten as I mainly remember her from the xmen cartoon where she was raw valley girl annoyance and didnt really have any asian features, I just remember once in a great while her being called jubilation lee. Wasnt there one in dc where he had control of this alien space ship that would dissolve your body over time piloting it? Or was that some absurd fever dream I had?

[Clertar]

Asian Marvel superheroes I can think of: the Kamala Khan Ms Marvel, and Amadeus Cho, a newer Hulk, besides the mentioned ones, and Colleen Wing (already in the Iron Fist series).

[comicshorse]

How many asian superheroes are there? I mean seriously, I have barely even heard of this shiang guy and all across marvel AND dc im having a hard time thinking of any. Sunfire? Thinking on it, Jubilee is asian, but I had forgotten as I mainly remember her from the xmen cartoon where she was raw valley girl annoyance and didnt really have any asian features, I just remember once in a great while her being called jubilation lee. Wasnt there one in dc where he had control of this alien space ship that would dissolve your body over time piloting it? Or was that some absurd fever dream I had?

It really depends how obscure you want to go. There are literally thousands of comic characters built up over the decades . Off the top head of my head for DC I can think of : Lady Shiva, Connor Hawke and Cassandra Cain
Marvel has Silver Samurai, Psylocke (maybe), the Immortal Weapons of the Seven Heavenly Cities

( and obviously for both quite a lot of villains from less PC times)

[Beleriphon]

I told my wife the star of Shang-Chi stars in Kim's Convenience. Her dead pan response: "I hope its the old guy."

[Kitten Champion]

Oh~ Shang Chi's Jung from Kim's Convenience.

I don't know about the marital arts part of it, but I do enjoy Simu Liu's as an actor.

Edit: As for Asian Marvel Superheroes there's also Nico from Runaways, Silk from the Spider-verse, then Karma, Surge, and Armor from X-Men. I only remember Armor because of the X-Men anime though.

They're predominantly women, and usually villains.

[comicshorse]

I told my wife the star of Shang-Chi stars in Kim's Convenience. Her dead pan response: "I hope its the old guy."

There's a reason 'the old but incredibly dangerous Martial Arts Master' is a trope in Kung Fu movies

[Velaryon]

I've got some mixed feelings about Thor 4 for sure. I thought Natalie Portman was the least interesting part of the first two Thor films, so having her come back is not something I am at all excited for. I also am not a fan of legacy characters in general, so I have no particular desire to see Lady Thor. On the other hand, Thor was in an interesting place at the end of Endgame, so I'm excited to see where his story goes, and having Taika Waititi back on board gives me cause for hope. I mean, they made a pretty good movie (loosely) based on the absolute dumpster fire that was Civil War, so hopefully they can make this work too.

As for the rest... sounds good but nothing that I'm super hyped for either.

[Psyren]

Natalie Portman was boring because they wrote her part to be boring, much like the Star Wars prequels. Getting nominated for the awards she has (including a best actress win for Black Swan, my favorite movie she's in) proves she can act when she has a decent script to work with. But if all they have her do is be the flat love interest, that's exactly what they'll get.

[Palanan]

Originally Posted by Psyren
But if all they have her do is be the flat love interest, that's exactly what they'll get.

I actually liked her in Dark World, or at least what little personality she was able to squeeze in. No question she didn't have much of a role, but I liked her reactions to Asgard and its citizens, and wish they could've done more with that.

Also, you have to admit slapping Loki was worth something.

[Dienekes]

Natalie Portman was boring because they wrote her part to be boring, much like the Star Wars prequels. Getting nominated for the awards she has (including a best actress win for Black Swan, my favorite movie she's in) proves she can act when she has a decent script to work with. But if all they have her do is be the flat love interest, that's exactly what they'll get.

That is important to note. While I’m not exactly a Natalie Portman fan, she’s not a bad actress. The problem is Jane was a flat love interest. Now I’m not a romantic man, I’ve said before the token romance is always the least interesting part of every action movie (because for some reason every action movie has a romance).

But, man, Jane was an exceptionally boring romance even by boring romance standards. I don’t really know how they can make that character interesting without just completely rewriting the character. Her defining character traits are she’s the boring serious one and she’s bad at driving.

[LaZodiac]

That is important to note. While I’m not exactly a Natalie Portman fan, she’s not a bad actress. The problem is Jane was a flat love interest. Now I’m not a romantic man, I’ve said before the token romance is always the least interesting part of every action movie (because for some reason every action movie has a romance).

But, man, Jane was an exceptionally boring romance even by boring romance standards. I don’t really know how they can make that character interesting without just completely rewriting the character. Her defining character traits are she’s the boring serious one and she’s bad at driving.

The secret twist is that she was only acting like that because she thought Thor liked it.

[Kitten Champion]

That is important to note. While I’m not exactly a Natalie Portman fan, she’s not a bad actress. The problem is Jane was a flat love interest. Now I’m not a romantic man, I’ve said before the token romance is always the least interesting part of every action movie (because for some reason every action movie has a romance).

But, man, Jane was an exceptionally boring romance even by boring romance standards. I don’t really know how they can make that character interesting without just completely rewriting the character. Her defining character traits are she’s the boring serious one and she’s bad at driving.

I think Thor: Ragnarok and Taika Waititi was such a turn around for the Thor sub-franchise that they'd have to reboot her character anyways just to fit with the new writing style and Thor characterization.

I'd imagine they'll might do what they did with Jane Foster!Thor in the comics, which is give her a somewhat over-the-top dramatic persona while she's wielding the hammer. In which case her normal character will stand in comedic contrast to it.

[Reddish Mage]

I think Thor: Ragnarok and Taika Waititi was such a turn around for the Thor sub-franchise that they'd have to reboot her character anyways just to fit with the new writing style and Thor characterization.

I'd imagine they'll might do what they did with Jane Foster!Thor in the comics, which is give her a somewhat over-the-top dramatic persona while she's wielding the hammer. In which case her normal character will stand in comedic contrast to it.

I have a feeling Jane will just loosen up under the new direction.

We really don’t need her to play the straight woman.

Question is how and if they develop Lady Thor’s origins from the comics. It doesn’t make sense here because...does Thor even still have Mjolnir (kept the one from the past)?

Ah well, if he did, past-Thor can make do.

In addition to that little wrinkle, there’s the fact that the new Thor developed over several comics, and had a secret identity, and the movie will naturally not have secret identities and require everything happens within something like two hours.

How many asian superheroes are there? I mean seriously, I have barely even heard of this shiang guy and all across marvel AND dc im having a hard time thinking of any.

It really depends how obscure you want to go. There are literally thousands of comic characters built up over the decades . Off the top head of my head for DC I can think of : Lady Shiva, Connor Hawke and Cassandra Cain
Marvel has Silver Samurai, Psylocke (maybe), the Immortal Weapons of the Seven Heavenly Cities

( and obviously for both quite a lot of villains from less PC times)

Psylocke is a white woman in an Asian woman’s body. A lot of these characters are really obscure, and can be villains at times.

It shows how long it took Marvel and DC to diversify and that even in 2019 they are really lacking.

[Delicious Taffy]

Psylocke is a white woman in an Asian woman’s body.

What does that even mean? Is she a canonical body-snatcher or something? Admittedly, all I really know about her is "Is hot for the reasons you'd expect" and "makes psychic weapons".

[Rogar Demonblud]

The body belonged to a Yakuza boss's mistress/pet assassin. Betsy Braddock, through the kind of rubber science comic book specialize in, was shoved into Kimiko's body and took it (and her mutant powers) over.

That was how Marvel diversified their cast back in the day.

[Cikomyr]

I really don't give a fog of whether the Jane Thor original storyline was good or not.

MCU have proven they can recreate and retool classic stories in ways to make good movies. Why would this suddenly not be the case? When the MCU makes a bad movie, it's not because of bad source material, but because of bad execution.

Jane Foster MCU was a bad character because of the very reasons Portman declined to come back. She's a flat, pointless, underpowered character sorrounded by God's, and she has no agency over the events happening. She is there to make gooey eyes at Thor.

[Zevox]

Question is how and if they develop Lady Thor’s origins from the comics. It doesn’t make sense here because...does Thor even still have Mjolnir (kept the one from the past)?

Ah well, if he did, past-Thor can make do.

He doesn't. Cap returned Mjolnir to the past along with the Infinity Stones at the end of Endgame. So yeah, going to need some other explanation for how she gets any powers. Reforged Mjolnir, Stormbreaker, some other new weapon, maybe something else entirely for all we know.

[CarpeGuitarrem]

I think Thor: Ragnarok and Taika Waititi was such a turn around for the Thor sub-franchise that they'd have to reboot her character anyways just to fit with the new writing style and Thor characterization.

I'd imagine they'll might do what they did with Jane Foster!Thor in the comics, which is give her a somewhat over-the-top dramatic persona while she's wielding the hammer. In which case her normal character will stand in comedic contrast to it.

And, it's not like anyone's going to complain about her character being retooled to be more interesting. Like, if they've got a flat character, are you going to demand that the studios slavishly keep that character boring for the sake of continuity?

I'm interested to see just where they go with her, and with the end of the story. In the MCU, legacy characters actually have a chance of staying, as opposed to the comics, where they tend to get shuffled back into their "rightful place" so the original can take back over. I'm excited at the prospect that the MCU can change and evolve over the years instead of continuing to go back to the same wells of characters and superhero identities, and Sam-as-Cap is one such example.

[LaZodiac]

He doesn't. Cap returned Mjolnir to the past along with the Infinity Stones at the end of Endgame. So yeah, going to need some other explanation for how she gets any powers. Reforged Mjolnir, Stormbreaker, some other new weapon, maybe something else entirely for all we know.

Unironically what if her Thor Origin (thorigin if you will) is the same as actual comics Thor. She find's a magic stick that is secretly a different edition of Mjolnir (like, 1.0 vs Thor's 2.0) and she becomes an embodiment of everything she finds heroic as a result.

[Clertar]

He doesn't. Cap returned Mjolnir to the past along with the Infinity Stones at the end of Endgame. So yeah, going to need some other explanation for how she gets any powers. Reforged Mjolnir, Stormbreaker, some other new weapon, maybe something else entirely for all we know.

The easy way to go is to also pick up the unworthy Thor storyline. Mjolnir reforges itself and shows up in Asgard, but Thor cannot pick it up anymore (in the comics, because of something that watcher Nick Fury whispered in his ear: that maybe the world is better off without gods). Somehow Jane does pick it up, becomes the new Thor, and Odinsson just keeps using Stormbreaker.

[Ramza00]

Also, you have to admit slapping Loki was worth something.

Her defining character traits are she’s the boring serious one and she’s bad at driving.

You see if it was me I would reverse the two. Run over Loki (twice), and slap Thor / Hemsworth. 😏

Maybe with the Chicago soundtrack playing on the cd player... 🎵 He had it coming [...] 🎶

[Delicious Taffy]

The body belonged to a Yakuza boss's mistress/pet assassin. Betsy Braddock, through the kind of rubber science comic book specialize in, was shoved into Kimiko's body and took it (and her mutant powers) over.

That was how Marvel diversified their cast back in the day.

Oh, wow. I didn't expect that to be literal. Ew.

[Cen]

I was really looking forward to the eternals, Gaimans run was my favourite comic.book series.
Than they announced Makkari will be black chick.
... why?