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2019-10-17, 06:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
We do know they need to manually share information, which is why back during der kestle Lucrezia didn't just let Agatha die.
Man this thing was full of outdated stuff.
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2019-10-17, 10:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-10-17, 03:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
Do we even know that the muse of time is Lucrezia? There might be a different reason why Lugatha knew how the machine worked.
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2019-10-17, 04:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
Which means some sort of paradox is in place. How did she escape originally to have her memories of being locked up be included in her personality dump into agathas head? There is something seriously huge we are missing here. Its possible there is some sort of crazy time loop effect in place where, as an example, 200 years from now, original lucrezia/time clank broke out of a decayed prison cell, took part in various shenanigans, went back in time to download her mind into that machine used on agatha, then when installed in a proper host used the opportunity of being in paris to free "herself" sooner, thus creating a branching off point between aspects. THAT version of her is now different, without current knowledge of whats going on, possibly sticking its oar in the water all over the time stream. If we see at some point that the reason lucrezia keeps popping up against agatha at just the right time because "someone" is manipulating time to make it happen, it could create an interesting complication. Muse of time lucrezia is seeing how things pan out without her interference (presumably its not good) then going back and interfering to make them work out better.
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
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2019-10-17, 05:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
It's not been explicitly said, but it's the only explanation that fits all the data we have. (Agatha's knowledge, the Muse of Time looking the same as the figure in the first time window, Lucrezia complaining about being gone for more time than anyone can imagine, and no one coming to save her, I may be forgetting something else.)
It's a closed time loop. There's no need to overthink this.Many thanks to Assassin 89 for this avatar!
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2019-10-17, 06:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-10-17, 11:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
SpoilerMadness place forthcoming?quo nemo sequi potest
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2019-10-18, 12:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
You are, indeed.
It's a closed time loop. There's no need to overthink this.
SpoilerI’l fearing a second breakthrough, even.Last edited by Fyraltari; 2019-10-18 at 12:54 AM.
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2019-10-18, 03:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
New comic: http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comi...8#.Xal5iBYpAlQ
Uh oh. I suspect Zeetha’s about to learn a hard lesson on why you don’t tell the villain exactly why they’re having problems.Sincerely,
NobleCuriosity
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2019-10-18, 03:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-10-18, 06:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
"Interdum feror cupidine partium magnarum Europae vincendarum"
Translation: "Sometimes I get this urge to conquer large parts of Europe."
"If you don't get those cameras out of my face, I'm gonna go 8.6 on the Richter scale with gastric emissions that'll clear this room."
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2019-10-18, 06:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
Which probably means it's wrong and the Foglios are tricking us.
On the other hand, they're up against a problem. They can't kill Lu, because she's in Agatha's body. Fighting with swords, all Zeetha could do was block and make attacks that weren't meant to actually hit. Unless she could knock the sword out of her hand. And the longer the fight went on, the greater the chance Lu would realize that and try to take advantage of it. Right now Agatha's friends are fighting for time for the Three Amigos to build the machine anew; talking to Lu, distracting her, is a good tactic. Especially since it gives Violetta a chance to get back on her feet.
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2019-10-18, 06:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
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2019-10-18, 06:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-10-18, 07:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
Oh, I don't know ... Lucrezia has thrown away Zeetha's other sword (Zeetha is used to two swords), and Zeetha has been dealing with powerful sparks for a long time.
And most of all, Zeetha is not alone. This is all making Lucrezia fouus on her, and with Lucrezia concentrating on her, Violetta is in a better position to make her moves.Warning: This posting may contain wit, wisdom, pathos, irony, satire, sarcasm and puns. And traces of nut.
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2019-10-18, 08:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-10-18, 08:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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2019-10-18, 09:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
I really, really, really hope that we get rid of Lucrezia in Agatha's mind during this arc. This maternal possession has long since ceased to amuse. Even Martellus is more amusing by now, if nothing else then for the interactions with castle and Krosp.
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2019-10-18, 11:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
Less monologuing, more smacking!
Unless she's distracting her on purpose.
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2019-10-18, 01:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
I see your point, but if Zeetha (instead of acknowledging Lucrezia’s skill and saying “you’re messing up, here’s why”) had simply goaded Lucrezia, saying “no, you’re not the equal to the blade-sibyls,” they’d probably still be sword fighting—which Zeetha is very good at and clearly winning by effectively stalling. Instead, it looks like Lucrezia is going to use the Spark—and that could be a much bigger problem. Even whipping up a simple loudspeaker might get everyone else utterly swarmed if the other team hasn’t finished plugging the British troops’ ears, and Lucrezia could presumably do much worse than hacking the comm system.
Lucrezia has already been trying to take advantage of their reluctance to hurt Agatha, but right now she wasn’t really succeeding. Better to draw this attempt out as long as they could.
Admittedly, that might be what Zeetha was trying to do, but if so she did poorly, in my opinion.Sincerely,
NobleCuriosity
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2019-10-18, 01:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
This isn't exactly out of character for Zeetha; she's previously blurted out information when she really should keep quiet. Still annoying that this is going to be dragged out some more.
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2019-10-18, 01:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
Eh, we haven't reached the end of this book yet. The time for the climax is going to be about the end of the year, barring more paper doll pages.
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2019-10-18, 05:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
I just reread a bit and was suddenly more concerned about how Gil repeatedly insisted that he felt really odd when he got his dad zapped out of him.
Tarvek was confident it worked, but Agatha helped build the machine. A fair bit ago, but it nonetheless it makes me nervous. I would have thought that Lucrezia would have activated any booby traps left in Gil’s head by now, but...I can imagine reasons why she wouldn’t. So let’s hope this doesn’t end with Tarvek having to fish Lucrezia out of two (biological) heads instead of one.
Speaking of nonbiological heads, couldn’t he give the Anevka clank Lucrezia to Albia and just kill the Lucrezia in Agatha? It would presumably quicken the construction. It would also deny the queen some info on Agatha’s own life as well, which admittedly might be part of what she’s after, so it would certainly risk Albia’s hospitality some.Last edited by NobleCuriosity; 2019-10-18 at 08:53 PM.
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2019-10-18, 06:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
Since Zeetha stated that Lugatha is bad at hand-to-hand and that, in normal condition, she could punch her and knock her out, I assume that Lucrezia is using the sword she stole as insurance that Zeetha cannot get close enough to TKO her, while the sword still in Zeetha's hands is almost useless, because she cannot use it to strike, only as defence. Zeetha knowingly acting as a distraction seems probable.
That's an interesting question. The matter of the physical component of the spark has been a secret for a while. The Baron was drilling holes into people to find out how it worked. And Tarvek suspected that Agatha had built machines with the spark. We don't know if Clanzia can use the spark, although she did have some fun with the hospital's instruments. But the Other would definitely be interested in Agatha's little spark machines.
BTW, the spark machines are one of the reasons why I thought that Agatha is a sparks spark. The other one is that her spark friends were immediately following her and helping her on Castle Wulfenbach, as the Baron observed. This is the behaviour of minions before a spark. I still think that the theory works, but, if it ever was intended, it was put in the fridge some years ago and nothing came out of it.Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien, 1955
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2019-10-18, 08:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
I dunno about the second. That appears to be the Spark hierarchy in action, as explained by Doctor Mittlemind. Sparks squabble like cats in a sack unless one of them is clearly the strongest, in which case they can be brought into line. The weak serve the strong, and a Heterodyne is instantly the strongest by default. Agatha has the added bonus of being charismatic, heroic, and a natural leader. Bill and Barry's reputation doesn't hurt either.
This is why the Baron feared her so much - by simple virtue of being a Heterodyne, she has the ability to peel away his supporters. Her very existence threatened the Pax Europa.
The sparky machines are something new. Something the Baron didn't know about when he talked about Agatha tearing Europa apart whether she intended to do so or not.
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2019-10-19, 06:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
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2019-10-19, 02:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
Warning: This posting may contain wit, wisdom, pathos, irony, satire, sarcasm and puns. And traces of nut.
"The main skill of a good ruler seems to be not preventing the conflagrations but rather keeping them contained enough they rate more as campfires." Rogar Demonblud
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2019-10-19, 06:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
An interesting idea, but I doubt it would work. Agatha found out that Tarvek had zapped the Baron our of Gil here (20190731): http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comi...1#.XauXIhYpAlQ
I’d be surprised if Lucrezia wasn’t at least aware during that. She probably knows that would be a lie.
That page also suggests that Gil can’t act well enough to pull it off. Even if he did, Lucrezia is “very good at having her fun and scheming at the same time (20190204):” http://www.girlgeniusonline.com/comi...4#.XauYNxYpAlQSincerely,
NobleCuriosity
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2019-10-19, 08:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-10-19, 08:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Girl Genius XXVI: Madness is the best possible response
Right, why doesn't Lucrezia care about the locket any more?
Originally Posted by J.R.R. Tolkien, 1955