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2024-01-14, 12:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXX
Iron Chef classic, Neanderthal
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2024-01-14, 12:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXX
The Gnomish equivalent of Sam Peckinpaw
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2024-01-14, 12:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXX
Infooooooormer
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2024-01-14, 12:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXX
And here's the chair's just for fun non-entry! Don't judge this one.
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2024-01-14, 12:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXX
And that's our entries for the round! Judges, over to you!
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2024-01-14, 01:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXX
Am I dreaming or is there 2 weird cat builds ? And 2 Shamans two (even if one is realllllly obscure haha)
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2024-01-14, 02:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXX
Oh my...
Okay, I'm still in.
Firstly about my idea.
It was Half-Fiend, Durzagon Fiend of Blasphemy 2/Something with good Will 2/SI 9. Deity - Iborighu, heretic of the faith (Winter), Fimbulwinter as gift and this image:
, but... I though Durzagon has LA +2 (((If you could make anything and everything welcome to the Zinc Saucier XLV: Figaro
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Spoiler: For purposes of clarity1109 is September, 11 - my birthday.
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2024-01-14, 02:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXX
I can't properly express how much of a relief this reveal is. I'd been worrying that someone else was going to do [redacted] for sure, but that somehow didn't happen! Looking very much forward to judgements.
Also, overall just a solid round entry-wise, lots of interesting ideas that I'd never in a million years have thought of.Creator of the LA-assignment thread.
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2024-01-14, 02:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXX
I tried to build something around the alignment shift by worshipping Shekinester, who has multiple alignments. Couldn't find stuff that was interesting enough to do with that, though I really tried. Locks you out of non-alignment stuff, and anything that forbids evil acts (like worshipping an evil deity) but lets you count as Good, Evil, Chaotic, Lawful and True Neutral simultaneously.
Screaming defiance with the last breath
It would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.
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2024-01-14, 02:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXX
My unfinished concept was looking at the rules for ex-agents (where your deity can't take your godly gifts back) and wondering how much of a god's power you can hold onto after betraying them.
SpoilerKas the Twice-Triumphant
CE Spell-stitchedCArc NecropolitanLM Ex-Vecna-bloodedMM5 PrimordialSoX Old Lesser half-giantCPsi
Cleric of Vecna 10/Divine AgentMotP 9/SpelldancerMoF 1 --> Ex-Divine Agent 9/Spelldancer 1/DefiantPlH 10
Feats: Human HeritageRoD (allows a Giant to become a necropolitan), Southern MagicianRoF (allows you to spellstitch yourself through a technicality)
Spelldancer is there to let you apply metamagic to SLAs, of which you have many (which also get +1 CL thanks to Primordial Giant).
Then I got hung up on the idea of receiving Mordenkainen's disjunction as your godly gift, yelling "Vecna you fool, it was I reborn all along!" and using it destroy his Eye while it was attached to your own head (but surviving somehow and becoming a Defiant to make up for your loss of casting). But even that pact spell which auto-revives you explicitly says that you're entrusting your lifeforce to your deity, so...
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2024-01-15, 03:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXX
I played around with using Prehensile Tail to get some real value out of the usually cosmetic Altered Appearance. Between the actual tail attacking tail that I'd need to qualify for the feat and the Altered Appearance tail, I'd have two extra hands with which to qualify for Multitasking. Then I was hoping to use Outsider typing from Mystic Union to Polymorph into an Arrow Demon and just multitask the crap out of Greater Manyshots and Symmetrical Archery. Unfortunately, I had misremembered the Transformation domain as being available to creatures of the shapechanger subtype of any deity, when in fact it is available to shapechangers with no deity, so my plan to graft the subtype on with the Were-Glade (which you can also use the Higher Order ability of to temporarily push the CL of SLAs like Godly Gifts and the SI's Gate since it adds HD while in effect) and just get transformation from the SI's granted domain didn't work out. Stub was Silverbrow Human (Talaire) Ranger 6/Consecrated Harrier 4/SI 10.
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SpoilerSir Driscoll Conia - Silver - IC L
Nick Snarespan - Gold - IC LIII
Lucy "Legs" Silvertail - Bronze - IC LXVIII
Bolfarg of Knoss - Gold - IC LXXVII
Ivarr Deathborn - Bronze - IC LXXVII
Ahmtel - Silver - IC LXXVIII
Tocke of Nessus - Gold - IC LXXIX
The Blessed Third - Silver - IC LXXXI
Galahad Galapagos - Gold - IC LXXXIV
Sai-don, Knight of the Tide - Bronze - IC LXXXIV
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2024-01-15, 07:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXX
And table.
# Name Alignment / Race Class Levels Deity Chef Total Place 1 Jae Wes LN Lesser Aasimar Cleric 4/Crusader 1/Divine Agent 10/Ruby Knight Vindicator 5 Wee Jas 2 Echo, part 2 TN→NE Incarnate Construct Dustform Nymph→Spellscale Druid 1/Blighter 4/Warblade 1/Divine Agent 10/Nature's Warrior 5Velsharoon 3 Navtej CE→NG Abyssal Skulker Brahmin 3/Fiend of Possession 1/Divine Agent 10/Fiend of Blasphemy 2 Lakshmi 4 Schroedinger's Tibbit TN Tibbit Sha’ir 6/Malconvoker 4/Divine agent 10 Schrödinger 5 Larry TN Tibbit Invisible Fist Monk 2/Shaman 4/Sacred Fist 3/Swordsage 1/Divine Agent 10 Cat Lord 6 Iago CE Major Silver Dragon Bloodline Primordial Half-Giant Duskblade 1/Warblade 1/Death Delver 3/Divine Agent 10/Contemplative 1 Beshaba 7 Ghrond Ironhand CE Human Paladin of Slaughter 4/Divine Agent 10/Warblade 6 Erythnul 8 Piotyr Icevein LG Neanderthal Favored Enemy Paladin 2/Cleric 3/Divine Agent 10/Ordained Champion 5 Heironeous 9 Ketos NG Anthopomorphic Ballen Whale → Tibbit Drow Fighter 1/Stoneblessed 3/Pious Templar 1/Divine Crusader 1/Ruathar 1/Divine Agent 9/Shadowcraft Mage 3/Shaper of Form 1 Garl Glittergold 10 Snow CG Illumian Planar Paladin of Freedom 4/Divine Agent 10/Thaumaturgist 4/Paragnostic Apostle 1/Crusader 1 Tuilviel Glithien 11 Francis Dolarhyde, Chrysalis of Potency CE Fireblood Dwarf Dragonscale Husk Skilled City Dweller Soulborn 8/Skilled City Dweller Divine Crusader 2/Dragonscale Husk Divine Agent 10 Garyx
Echo, you didn't make my work easier. )))Last edited by loky1109; 2024-01-18 at 02:18 PM.
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2024-01-15, 10:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXX
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2024-01-15, 10:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXX
Loving these! So many paths to take with the nutmeg of secret ingredients.
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2024-01-18, 01:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Okay, I read all entries yesterday. Now I need to re-check my criteria. It’ll take two or three days. Then I'll get down to judging. I think this will take at least a week, maybe two.
If you could make anything and everything welcome to the Zinc Saucier XLV: Figaro
My competition's medals.
Spoiler: For purposes of clarity1109 is September, 11 - my birthday.
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2024-01-18, 01:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXX
Thanks for the update, loky!
Screaming defiance with the last breath
It would be strange indeed if so celestial an article as FREEDOM should not be highly rated.
My judgments and medals!
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2024-01-19, 04:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXX
Having had some time to read the entries in more depth: they're great, and many go into a direction I altogether did not expect.
One half-formed idea of mine was to somehow work fighter 8 into a build: Armor of God is an obscure ACF that lets you switch your base Will save to an AC bonus for a turn. Divine Agent both offers good Will and an ability reliant on creatures attacking you but missing, so if I was ever going to make that ACF shine, this'd be the place. However, the need to get 2nd-level divine spells with only 2 levels left forced me to go Bone Collector, for a final build of Fighter 8 / Bone Collector 2 / Divine Agent 10 (which would be able to use Armor of God to swap 12 points of Will over to AC at-will).
I toyed with making the build worship Eilistraee; the Elf domain would give me standard-action Antipathy, and the Darksong Knight substitution levels would let me trade some HP for slightly more utility in and out of combat. Alternatively, something that grants Mind Blank might be useful to cover up the gaping hole I'd left in the build.
I even considered using adept for one idea: I wanted to do something involving a large forced alignment shift, but I still needed a domain... so enter Eberron's adepts, which get a domain and have no restrictions on alignment. That didn't really end up going anywhere, but I'm sure I could've stretched it even further: the synergy between a familiar and maxed-out UMD are self-evident, for one.
Also, I'm a bit surprised to see nobody went with the Joy or Pain domains to get standard-action Ambrosia or Liquid Pain harvests going. Component-free Permanency (Time) or standard action Reincarnate (Renewal) also seemed like funny options to build a character around.Creator of the LA-assignment thread.
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2024-01-22, 12:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXX
Out of curiosity, how many judges do we have? I see Loky1109 is actively working on judging. Are there others?
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2024-01-23, 08:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXX
I'm looking at options for next round. Reaching deep into the barrel of oddities, we've got
- Bigger than before
- The goth dream
- The consequences of my actions
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2024-01-23, 09:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Bigger than before!
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2024-01-23, 09:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXX
Consequences
Iron Chef Medals
SpoilerSir Driscoll Conia - Silver - IC L
Nick Snarespan - Gold - IC LIII
Lucy "Legs" Silvertail - Bronze - IC LXVIII
Bolfarg of Knoss - Gold - IC LXXVII
Ivarr Deathborn - Bronze - IC LXXVII
Ahmtel - Silver - IC LXXVIII
Tocke of Nessus - Gold - IC LXXIX
The Blessed Third - Silver - IC LXXXI
Galahad Galapagos - Gold - IC LXXXIV
Sai-don, Knight of the Tide - Bronze - IC LXXXIV
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2024-01-24, 12:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXX
Consequences.
If you could make anything and everything welcome to the Zinc Saucier XLV: Figaro
My competition's medals.
Spoiler: For purposes of clarity1109 is September, 11 - my birthday.
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2024-01-24, 12:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXX
The goth dream.
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2024-01-24, 01:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Conséquence !
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2024-01-24, 03:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Let's do The Goth Dream.
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2024-01-24, 08:57 AM (ISO 8601)
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2024-01-24, 01:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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My criteria are rechecked. Maybe I'll post them today later or tomorrow.
I hope I'll start to re-read entries second time tomorrow.If you could make anything and everything welcome to the Zinc Saucier XLV: Figaro
My competition's medals.
Spoiler: For purposes of clarity1109 is September, 11 - my birthday.
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2024-01-24, 04:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'll vote consequences.
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2024-01-24, 07:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, well, well, if it isn't the consequences of my own actions.
I've got a new fantasy TTRPG about running your own fencing school in a 3 musketeers pastiche setting. Book coming soon.
Check out my NEW sci-fi TTRPG about first contact. Cool alien races, murderous AIs, and more. New expansion featuring rules for ships! New book here NOW!
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2024-01-27, 12:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Iron Chef Optimization Challenge in the Playground CXXX
My judging criteria.
Originality. Starts at 3. Most subjective part. I look at races, classes, prestiges, feats and clever tricks. Combo that involves SI may be reviewed in UoSI section.
Power. Starts at 0. I have four parts 1.5 points in each. Yes, I know what 1.5x4 is. )
Offense. How good are you at making damage? Attack bonuses, damage, attack options, rider effects, etc.
Defense. Your hp, saves, AC and other defense options.
Utility. Being face, scouting, making money, tracking, mobility options, healing, buffing, etc.
Flexibility and Endurance. It isn't good for you to be able to do your main uber-trick once per week. Also it isn't good if you need to prepare specifically for every case in advance without the ability to adjust on the fly.
Elegance. Starts at 5. I search for any mistakes, inaccuracies, ambiguity and give you a penalty. In rare cases when I find something pretty clever I can add some bonus.
TO RAW is always less than RAI. There is no way you could make me believe in d43 damage dice and similar nonsense.
Cross-setting materials isn't something harmful if you know when to stop.
Multiclassing isn't sin, either. Multiclass XP penalty - opposite.
I don't like missed opportunities. If you take toughness five times it isn't pretty elegant in my book.
I look at formatting. Your entry should be easy to read. All skills in place, all feats clearly came from (regular, bonus, some free, etc.), there are right full sources, etc.
UoSI. Starts at 0.
Did you qualify for SI (and don't fall after)? - +1 if all is ok. If it isn't... Well, if issue could be easily solved maybe 0, maybe something between. If issue is unsolved you just get 1 point in UoSI.
Did you enter SI early? - up to +0.5.
Did you finish SI? - up to +0.5. Maybe some decrease if you finished SI very late.
Did you use all SI abilities (Advancing Spellcasting, Weapon and Armor Proficiency, Granted domain, Contact, Menacing Aura, Godly Gift (1st, 2nd and 3rd), Altered Appearance, Commune, Plane Shift to Deity's Plane, Plane Shift to Any Plane, Audience, Alignment Shift, Mystic Union, Gate) at all? - up to +0.15 each.
Have you found some interesting combos involving SI abilities? - up to +0.5 each.
It isn't enough just to have, for example, Plane Shift and saying: "It is useful for everybody and for me, too." No, you should have something on top of that.
Combo, in turn, is something that you need to come up with, something creative.
Did you use SI prerequisites or just take it and forget? - up to +0.5.
Does you entry thematically fit the SI? - between -0.5 and +0.5.
Maybe SI made your entry worse than it could be without SI? - up to -1.Last edited by loky1109; 2024-01-29 at 09:55 AM.
If you could make anything and everything welcome to the Zinc Saucier XLV: Figaro
My competition's medals.
Spoiler: For purposes of clarity1109 is September, 11 - my birthday.