WW/Mafia Fallout 3: Forecast - Rapidly Changing Conditions

[bladescape]

i think bladescape's posts aren't good and the vote movement around him is very dubious i think we should kill him eventually if we're able to figure out how lol

sorry for missing a phase

tempted to just give AV a long-term town pass for doing the mechanical figuring out of stuff

On one hand this is the second vague "blade is sus" post without any context post you've made.

On the other hand you have most recently seen me play in places I post a lot more and have accepted I can't be a vague cryptic bastard in atm.

[Cuthalion]

i'm reading the people i feel ~confident in being able to read

[flat_footed]

Night 2 has ended.
Please wait for Narration.

[flat_footed]

Fear motivates you more than anything right now. Despite the shelter it has provided from the Wasteland, this Casino is little more than a death trap beneath a thin veil of empty promises and flashing lights. Several of your group grow bold enough to try the doors you entered from, only to find them locked from the outside. Trying to force the doors only attracted the attention of several suited men, who have now taken up positions to keep a closer eye on you all. Fleeting though it may be, sleep soon comes to all of you but one.

With practiced ease and almost permanent bags under their eyes, this lone figure rotates through three separate tables, eyeing each critically before declaring their next action. Piles of caps rise and fall like waves on the felt, never quite running dry or sating the gambler's thirst. The frenzied dance carries all through the night, hurried steps the first sounds to greet you all as the rest of the group awakens. It is clear that things have not gone well for the loner while you slept. Barely any remain of the once large piles of caps, until they finally run out. A fact painfully obvious to all but the one to whom it should have mattered most. Locked into the macabre display, their feet keep to the beat of the Casino and bets keep spilling from their lips as easily as their own breath.

whirr

With dismay, you all see the Securitron speeding up to the gambler and slam into them, knocking them off their feet with a strangled gasp. "Yes Man? Wait!" is all they are able to choke out before being seized by a pair of metallic claws. The smiling face flickers down at its captive with joy. "It looks like your luck has finally caught up to you. With all those numbers bouncing around your head, you should have known! And as for the rest of you" The poorly drawn smile seems smirk at the scattered group. "-you get nothing!" Its parting message echoes in your minds as it drags the latest victim to the rear of the Casino:

Congratulations, today's Lucky Number is 0!

corncobweb has been Busted. They were the Compulsive Gambler.

Day 3 has begun and will end in ~46 hours.

[Book Wombat]

Placeholder on JeenLeen.

[Batcathat]

Well, that lucky number should at least make voting today less confusing. So do we assume that whatever happened D2 was a one time thing and vote as usual or does anyone have any better ideas?

Not sure who to vote for. I'm still suspicious of Jeen, but if the "extra" votes were an active power use it was presumably to save BW and/or blade (on that topic, it's worth noting that the dearly departed CCW voted blade both days, but since killing someone who suspects you isn't exactly subtle, that could easily be the wolves targeting CCW specifically so we'd suspect blade).

[Athedia]

Athedia grumbled as she set up her table. "Compulsive Gambler and he barely gambled, where do people come off getting these titles."

She spun a chip on the table before slapping it down and looking around at the remaining folks in the casino.

"I may be a humble blackjack dealer but at the same time, something is seriously affoot. We got lucky the first time. Yesterday Blade voted for himself and then thought to make a little joke that he might be voting himself off. Odd. But some do turn to humor in stressful situations."

She had switched to cleaning off the felt, shifting those seated at her table back as she made sure it looked fresh and unspoiled by continous days and nights of use. Or had it been mere moments? Casinos are windowless clockless places for a reason.

"Personally Jeen or Cazero seem likely to me. For someone who says Cao was their closest town read you seemed very quick to designate them a target day one Cazero. And after Murska had lobbed you a softball to help you escape a pressure vote."

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She straightened up her table back in order.

"Would anyone like to join this hand?"

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She straightened up her table back in order.

"Would anyone like to join this hand?"

[JeenLeen]

Athedia, can you explain your Cazero read in light of Murska pushing Cazero over Cao D1, and yet Cao is confirmed town?

(A couple other things from Athedia pinged me wrong, but I'm busy right now so I can quote those later.)

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I wonder if corncob was just bluffing about his power protecting him at Night.

[bladescape]

Well, that lucky number should at least make voting today less confusing. So do we assume that whatever happened D2 was a one time thing and vote as usual or does anyone have any better ideas?

Not sure who to vote for. I'm still suspicious of Jeen, but if the "extra" votes were an active power use it was presumably to save BW and/or blade (on that topic, it's worth noting that the dearly departed CCW voted blade both days, but since killing someone who suspects you isn't exactly subtle, that could easily be the wolves targeting CCW specifically so we'd suspect blade).

I'm gonna pull the "I should be clear" card here tbh.

CCW pretty heavily indicated vet claim and there's 0 chance I'd be risking a kill there at this stage. A true vet claim = a lost wolf.

Which just isn't worth it.

[Illven]

Let's see. If that's the case, we're probably looking for new, or reckless players. (I'd say a vortexer, but why would a vortexer target Corn and get themselves shot? Unless it's a random vortexer?)

Possibly Athedia, def Lentrax. Book could get a point for being inattentive.

Like that's JUST enough for a minimum assumed amount of wolves (either 4 or 5)

Caz was pretty reckless in deal with the devil. But that was with only them remaining so I'm not sure if that's their standard protocol.

Crap now I'm feeling stuck not really knowing who'se got reckless plays.

Placeholder vote on Lentrax

[Athedia]

"I am curious what pings as "wrong" as I have been 100% truthful this entire game. But let us examine the things that make me suspicious."

An old CRT flickered to life showing certain quotes as she talked.

Actually doing that, sure. I'm all for people giving their reads, but what are we supposed to look into with Cazero? Elaborate please.

"Just going back to page 3 here. And even then I will be honest I maxed out my quotes. This looks to me like an attempt to deflect off Cazero, why should we suspect him?"

Yeah, sure, but why them specifically? I mean, one vote isn't much of a threat, so you need to convince at least a couple others to join in.

"Again an attempt to prevent a pressure wagon, but now Murska is drawing attention."

I guess. Kraken's doing some kind of solving at least, and nobody pushed AV to save him earlier, so let's put pressure then. But I'd rather we picked targets with a bit more reasoning - hypocritical of me, but I truly don't have the time to go in-depth today.

Cazero.

"Finally at this point Murska can't not join the pressure wagon as his protests have started to draw attention."

"When you have little to go on, you go on little. Not nothing."

"He who stares to closely at his own cards, misses the ones on the table."

"Yes, exactly my point. I'm glad we agree."

"This entire exchange here made me uneasy. As Murska seemed to interpret my response as agreement, when in fact I was accusing him of going off of nothing."

Any reason y'all went after Cazero instead of Persolus?
Not that I have reason to suspect one over the other, but I find it curious the wagon grew on a new person (Cazero) rather than someone already with a vote (like Persolus).

"Forgive me for tripping out the blackjack, but it is immaterial for these purposes. As I suspect you as well Jeenleen, I will be honest that this feels like another attempt to draw attention off a fellow wolf."

The CRT started to flicker so Athedia went up to it and ejected the security tape before turning to a stack beside her and inserting a new one.

"Sorry, these old tapes only hold so much data. I ran out of space on this one."

[JeenLeen]

Suspicious of the blackjack dealer, Jeen heads to an empty table. He shuffles a deck from his pocket, then places it on the table. He then shuffles another deck, places it across them him. He draws five cards, then places a monster and spell/trap face-down. Speaking to no-one in particular, he faces the empty side across from him and says, "Your move."

...maybe the stress is getting to him.

Let's see. If that's the case, we're probably looking for new, or reckless players. (I'd say a vortexer, but why would a vortexer target Corn and get themselves shot? Unless it's a random vortexer?)

Sometimes a vortexer power works like "target player X and choose player Y", then the mechanics of how powers flip-flop or redirect, and it's explicit that only player X is targeted for purposes of powers.
If such is the case this game, someone might've redirected someone to target corncob.

I really wish we got the mechanics of his power. Assuming he wasn't just lying, it might be informative about what happened and help us find a wolf (assuming a townie steps forward to say they redirected someone to corncob). I am not saying someone should; think about if your intel is trustworthy and how much it really reveals before claiming.

"I am curious what pings as "wrong" as I have been 100% truthful this entire game. But let us examine the things that make me suspicious."

An old CRT flickered to life showing certain quotes as she talked.



"Just going back to page 3 here. And even then I will be honest I maxed out my quotes. This looks to me like an attempt to deflect off Cazero, why should we suspect him?"



"Again an attempt to prevent a pressure wagon, but now Murska is drawing attention."



"Finally at this point Murska can't not join the pressure wagon as his protests have started to draw attention."







"This entire exchange here made me uneasy. As Murska seemed to interpret my response as agreement, when in fact I was accusing him of going off of nothing."



"Forgive me for tripping out the blackjack, but it is immaterial for these purposes. As I suspect you as well Jeenleen, I will be honest that this feels like another attempt to draw attention off a fellow wolf."

The CRT started to flicker so Athedia went up to it and ejected the security tape before turning to a stack beside her and inserting a new one.

"Sorry, these old tapes only hold so much data. I ran out of space on this one."

Okay; I get that explanation. Not convinced by it, but it's believable.

I'm pretty confident Cazero is town. Maybe that's biased, but Murska could easily have voted Cao D1 instead of Cazero. He didn't.
Yeah, I know there's times to bus a scumbuddy, but that doesn't seem a good time.... :: sigh :: Well, alright, I'll admit that if Caz did flip wolf, I'd 100% trust Murska now. So maybe you are right (in logical argument, not Caz's alignment.)

Hmm...
I still read Murska's prodding about "why vote Caz" as wolf setting it up so he doesn't look wolfy when Caz flips town. I could be wrong, but that part feels fake in light of Murska's flip.

As for the argument against me... yeah, I get that if Caz flips wolf, I look bad. Especially after this post. But I still think, if the D1 wagons were between wolf!Cazero and town!Cao, Murska woulda voted Cao.

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"As for my suspects, at this time no one has *particularly* struck me as suspicious. But I am watching the ones Murska was with when he accidentally aimed the target at himself. MerelBlackbird do you have any suspects?" The dealers eyes looked in Let'sGetKraken's direction as she spoke.

Athedia, this post of yours rubbed me the wrong way.
Not any of its content, but there were two competing, high-vote wagons near EOD, and this was made near EOD. There was almost no chance for a Kraken (Merel) wagon to form, and little chance Kraken would be around to even respond.

So you gave a kinda-useful post, with little value. Feels like a wolf wanting to participate, but not to screw up the wagons.

On a tangent: your RP's been great. A lot of fun to the game. Love the last line in this one.

[Athedia]

Well, I'm kind of questioning the purpose of a pressure wagon where we don't first wait for the target to actually be around and write their thoughts.

He did? Dang, I'm usually more mindful of that. Well, that makes sense.
Uh, back to AvatarVecna.
Sometimes wolves are willing to be patient D1, as wagons tend to ebb and flow as folk get bored. If AV is a wolf, might've just been playing chicken with us.

"These tie in with a below quote but as we are missing context Illven points out that Persolus was a D1 in the previous game."

Good point, insofar as no reason to shift from Cazero to Persolus at this stage.

Thoughts? From me? On day one?

Well. I don't think Athedia running some blackjack is a power thing.
A bit too early to be sure about what happened with flat.

"I will give Cazero this. He is correct, the game is purely because I found the idea amusing. I get no mechanical benefits from it. But as a thought for day one this is basically useless. It looks like it contains information, but guessing that an overly complicated concept such as actually playing blackjack isn't a real power isn't a far stretch. For that to be a real power you would need a player to virtually opt in to the concept, as well as other players. So he gets no points for giving a soft answer to a softball question."

"In fact I would go so far as Murska and Jeen setting up Cazero to answer a question so they can eventually back off of him thus clearing themselves."

Wait, really? We have a vig claim, they can prove themselves by shooting a wolf. If they're a SK, well, we can kill them if they shoot anywhere other than suspected wolves, so they're practically a vig until then. Why would we lynch there today?

I propose we don't aim for claimed town PRs day one. Really wish Cazero would be here to say something, but in their absence they're still a better target than any of the active posters imo. I can't push any wagon above AV anyway.

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Oh, I missed this one.

Specifically, I want two things.

Why should we not kill you today?

Who should we kill specifically, let's say out of Kraken, Cao and AV as people with votes, plural. And why.

"Did we ever have a vig claim? I would say even the wolves didn't take this seriously. Trying to give Cazero another out and then 'noticing' the soft answer. To which Murska responds with two more softball questions. Why should we not kill you? Murska is a wolf he will 'believe' any answer his fellow wolf gives. And then who should we kill"

You know, I've been playing for a while and I think I'm due for a D1 lynch. I really should vote myself.
Or at least I'd do it if I was a vanillager. Since I'm not I kinda have to put up more of a fight.

Hmmm, I'd say CaoimhinTheCape. I need to steal his cape. For my role.

"Deflects with a non answer for why he should not be killed. Targets Cao."

Well, that settles it for me. CaoimhinTheCape.

"Murska accepts the softballs."

Hey. Look. I won't be back before EoD, there's a wagon on you. If you've got reasoning, give it now. I'm on you mostly because all the counterwagons claim town PR.

"Time pressure on Cao, a gamble that there will be no response in time."

I was being subtle by saying the same thing Cazero did, but I'm a town PR.

"Cao points out that Murska believed Cazero's using the same reasoning. This put Murska in a tough position."

Ugh...

well, Cazero sounds the most sus out of all of the claims imo, and also good night everyone.

"At this point attempting to bus one of the wolves was the safest choice."

Athedia, can you explain your Cazero read in light of Murska pushing Cazero over Cao D1, and yet Cao is confirmed town?

(A couple other things from Athedia pinged me wrong, but I'm busy right now so I can quote those later.)

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I wonder if corncob was just bluffing about his power protecting him at Night.

Athedia ejected the tape, before picking up one last one.

"I believe this has explained my thoughts based on what I believe was a set of three wolves who had backed themselves into a corner. Yes three because I do believe JeenLeen, you are a wolf."

She put in the final tape.

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The tape spun to life, two final quotes illuminated on the screen.

Day 1 has ended.
Please wait for Narration.

Cazero. More to come if I have time before Day ends.

"The timing of these two posts feels suspicious why would an experienced player not put down their vote first before trying to cross out an old one?" And somehow manage to post at exactly the same time. Unless Jeen you timed this and waited for Flat to post so that you could appear to be voting for Cazero who you and Murska had agreed to bus. But you had seen the opportunity to not actually bus him but when he got revealed later show you had tried to remove him."

She looked at Jeen disappointedly.

"Your play is either that of a wolf or you have suddenly gotten sloppier."

[JeenLeen]

Athedia ejected the tape, before picking up one last one.

"I believe this has explained my thoughts based on what I believe was a set of three wolves who had backed themselves into a corner. Yes three because I do believe JeenLeen, you are a wolf."

She put in the final tape.

::grabs popcorn someone left under the table a potentially-dangerous time ago, and looks expectantly at the tape::

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The tape spun to life, two final quotes illuminated on the screen.





"The timing of these two posts feels suspicious why would an experienced player not put down their vote first before trying to cross out an old one?" And somehow manage to post at exactly the same time. Unless Jeen you timed this and waited for Flat to post so that you could appear to be voting for Cazero who you and Murska had agreed to bus. But you had seen the opportunity to not actually bus him but when he got revealed later show you had tried to remove him."

She looked at Jeen disappointedly.

"Your play is either that of a wolf or you have suddenly gotten sloppier."

In this game, your new votes only if your old votes are crossed out. That's why I picked that order. Though I guess it didn't really matter which I did first, but for some reason it seemed better to me to cross out my old vote, make sure it was still Day, then make my new vote. Probably in part since my vote was on AV, who wasn't a wagon, so removing my vote from her didn't do anything.

flat posted while I was writing/hitting Submit on my post. I can't prove that, but it was coincidence.

The sloppy timing of it was my wife wanted something when I was getting ready to make my vote change and give the rationale, and when I got back it was almost too late. Well, wound up being too late, but flat hadn't posted yet.

Your argument for me being a wolf seems to hinge on Cazero being a wolf and us being scumbuddies.
I don't know his power, and I don't want to fully claim mine, but I will say I could block a kill. I've also been more active than him. If it comes down to us, I recommend testing him first.

I think I'm also finding some logical flaw in your argument, but maybe I'm misremembering how the votes actually were. I gotta go make lunch, but be back in a bit. Someone call me on this if I forget to come back to it.

[Illven]

"Did we ever have a vig claim? I would say even the wolves didn't take this seriously. Trying to give Cazero another out and then 'noticing' the soft answer. To which Murska responds with two more softball questions. Why should we not kill you? Murska is a wolf he will 'believe' any answer his fellow wolf gives. And then who should we kill"

AV soft claimed vig. (Plus some additional power that works while dead?)

To the point that if they try to pull a JK lol. I'm yeeting them.

[Athedia]

Suspicious of the blackjack dealer, Jeen heads to an empty table. He shuffles a deck from his pocket, then places it on the table. He then shuffles another deck, places it across them him. He draws five cards, then places a monster and spell/trap face-down. Speaking to no-one in particular, he faces the empty side across from him and says, "Your move."

...maybe the stress is getting to him.

"Good sir, that is poker. I am a mere humble blackjack dealer."

Okay; I get that explanation. Not convinced by it, but it's believable.

I'm pretty confident Cazero is town. Maybe that's biased, but Murska could easily have voted Cao D1 instead of Cazero. He didn't.
Yeah, I know there's times to bus a scumbuddy, but that doesn't seem a good time.... :: sigh :: Well, alright, I'll admit that if Caz did flip wolf, I'd 100% trust Murska now. So maybe you are right (in logical argument, not Caz's alignment.)

Hmm...
I still read Murska's prodding about "why vote Caz" as wolf setting it up so he doesn't look wolfy when Caz flips town. I could be wrong, but that part feels fake in light of Murska's flip.

As for the argument against me... yeah, I get that if Caz flips wolf, I look bad. Especially after this post. But I still think, if the D1 wagons were between wolf!Cazero and town!Cao, Murska woulda voted Cao.

"Of course you would not find it believable. It implicates you. And then explain your 'attempted' D1 last minute swap to Cazero?"

Athedia, this post of yours rubbed me the wrong way.
Not any of its content, but there were two competing, high-vote wagons near EOD, and this was made near EOD. There was almost no chance for a Kraken (Merel) wagon to form, and little chance Kraken would be around to even respond.

So you gave a kinda-useful post, with little value. Feels like a wolf wanting to participate, but not to screw up the wagons.

On a tangent: your RP's been great. A lot of fun to the game. Love the last line in this one.

"Simple, I had wanted to make it clear which wagon at the time I felt we should be truely have been watching from D1 and felt discussion had drifted away. As for it being near EOD, it was the weekend and I was busy. I caught up while on a call with my lovely boyfriend, a very patient man who let us pause our movie. I liked neither the bladescape or Book Wombat wagons. Strange as I am usually an eager voter for Book Wombat I know. The only other option at the time would have been to add your name to the mix, but while I suspected you at the time, I had not had the time to go and reread my gut feeling."

"I will also confess a flair for the dramatic as Merel had sat down at the table and just been dealt a hand. I do love a good line."

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AV soft claimed vig. (Plus some additional power that works while dead?)

To the point that if they try to pull a JK lol. I'm yeeting them.

"I wonder what a vigilante equivalent would be called. Are all of your role names Fallout: New Vegas or Casino themed? And I did not process a vig claim, but that could also be me missing it."

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::grabs popcorn someone left under the table a potentially-dangerous time ago, and looks expectantly at the tape::



In this game, your new votes only if your old votes are crossed out. That's why I picked that order. Though I guess it didn't really matter which I did first, but for some reason it seemed better to me to cross out my old vote, make sure it was still Day, then make my new vote. Probably in part since my vote was on AV, who wasn't a wagon, so removing my vote from her didn't do anything.

flat posted while I was writing/hitting Submit on my post. I can't prove that, but it was coincidence.

The sloppy timing of it was my wife wanted something when I was getting ready to make my vote change and give the rationale, and when I got back it was almost too late. Well, wound up being too late, but flat hadn't posted yet.

Your argument for me being a wolf seems to hinge on Cazero being a wolf and us being scumbuddies.
I don't know his power, and I don't want to fully claim mine, but I will say I could block a kill. I've also been more active than him. If it comes down to us, I recommend testing him first.

I think I'm also finding some logical flaw in your argument, but maybe I'm misremembering how the votes actually were. I gotta go make lunch, but be back in a bit. Someone call me on this if I forget to come back to it.

The dealer had been cleaning up the tapes and stacking them neatly when she whirled around poking at Jeen accusingly."INCORRECT!"

The game will start on a Day Phase which will last 48 hours. During any Day Phase, all players can vote for who they wish to "lynch" (remove from the game) that phase. Your vote is not set in stone once made, and you can recast your vote at any time provided that the phase has not ended. To cast your vote, please bold and color in red the name of the person you wish to vote. It doesn't have to be their forum name proper, or some official "I vote [name]", as long as it's recognizable who you're voting and the formatting has been done. If you are changing your vote, go back and cross out your old one like so. If more than one legal vote exists, the most recent of them will be considered.

Examples of acceptable voting:

flat_footed
ff
flat

At the end of the day phase, I'll tally votes. Whichever wagon has the most votes is lynched and can no longer participate in the game publicly or privately. If there was a tie between who had the most votes, whoever reached that vote total first will be the one removed from the game.

"As per the contract we all signed when we entered this building, the most recent legal vote is the one counted if more than one exists. That meaning the most recent red and bolded vote. This was even tested day one. As I stated before this is sloppy behavior I do not usually expect from you. Thus I have to presume you are scrambling and thought with my dedication to the fine art of being a blackjack dealer you could easily point the target at me."

[Batcathat]

Athedia does make a good case for trusting Caz less, though I don't think it's enough for me to vote him at the moment (getting voted by a confirmed wolf in a situation where it was likely to matter is worth a bit of towncred, I think, even if there are alternate explanations).

Though we do seem to agree that JeenLeen, so maybe we can start there? As a bonus, if Jeen flips wolf I think BW is a little less likely to be (granted, the vote on Jeen D2 was unlikely to matter and the vote today was very early, but it's something).

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While I'm not sure I agree with her case about Caz, I kinda want to give Athedia some towncred for making it, as I feel like a wolf would pick an easier target.

[Athedia]

Athedia does make a good case for trusting Caz less, though I don't think it's enough for me to vote him at the moment (getting voted by a confirmed wolf in a situation where it was likely to matter is worth a bit of towncred, I think, even if there are alternate explanations).

Though we do seem to agree that JeenLeen, so maybe we can start there? As a bonus, if Jeen flips wolf I think BW is a little less likely to be (granted, the vote on Jeen D2 was unlikely to matter and the vote today was very early, but it's something).

"I am fine with accusing Jeenleen but just out of curiosity BCH, is your name gambling or Fallout New Vegas themed?"

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"By name I do mean role."

[Batcathat]

"I am fine with accusing Jeenleen but just out of curiosity BCH, is your name gambling or Fallout New Vegas themed?"

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"By name I do mean role."

I suppose it wouldn't be saying too much to reveal that my role name is Fallout themed but not gambling themed.

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Also, wasn't Snow a Drifter or something?

[Athedia]

I suppose it wouldn't be saying too much to reveal that my role name is Fallout themed but not gambling themed.

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Also, wasn't Snow a Drifter or something?

"The Lonesome Drifter is a talented singer and guitar player, others named the Drifter commonly crop up in Fallout lore. This lines up still. I will say I have a role name related to either Fallout or gambling. But it seems barely related to what said role can do."

[JeenLeen]

Urgh, getting busier than I had hoped, so I might not have this right, BUT:

The logical flaw I thought I saw in Athedia's argument was that it seems odd for wolf!me and wolf!Murska to try to bus Caz, but maybe I just misunderstood or misread the vote situation near end of D1.

I'll not take the time to try to defend myself on that point. I agree it looks bad for me if Caz is wolf, but I don't get the suspicion otherwise.

Also not liking the combined forces of Athedia and BCH. By which I'm saying I think they are more likely to be two wolves than me and Cazero.

"As per the contract we all signed when we entered this building, the most recent legal vote is the one counted if more than one exists. That meaning the most recent red and bolded vote. This was even tested day one. As I stated before this is sloppy behavior I do not usually expect from you. Thus I have to presume you are scrambling and thought with my dedication to the fine art of being a blackjack dealer you could easily point the target at me."

That was me just misreading.

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I suppose it wouldn't be saying too much to reveal that my role name is Fallout themed but not gambling themed.

Gambling theme here. I'm not familiar enough with Fallout lore to know if it would mean something.

[Cazero]

Hmm. Gonna claim now.
I'm a Paladin of the Brotherhood of Steel and your resident jailer. The reason Cao couldn't read my power N1 was because I jailed myself at the time.

[Illven]

"I wonder what a vigilante equivalent would be called. Are all of your role names Fallout: New Vegas or Casino themed? And I did not process a vig claim, but that could also be me missing it."

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https://forums.giantitp.com/showsing...40&postcount=5

Only two non wolves have guns, Vig and Serial killer and Vecna *hates* vigs. Plus they just played a form of one last game, hence the "Who keeps giving me these."

Mine is not casino themed. I imagine that makes it New Vegas themed but would have to ask my sibling for confirmation.

[Athedia]

Hmm. Gonna claim now.
I'm a Paladin of the Brotherhood of Steel and your resident jailer. The reason Cao couldn't read my power N1 was because I jailed myself at the time.

"Checks out. Very Fallout New Vegas related.

https://forums.giantitp.com/showsing...40&postcount=5

Only two non wolves have guns, Vig and Serial killer and Vecna *hates* vigs. Plus they just played a form of one last game, hence the "Who keeps giving me these."

Mine is not casino themed. I imagine that makes it New Vegas themed but would have to ask my sibling for confirmation.

"I could easily answer that for you. If you were interested. In fact, if lets say 4 more people reveal their titles. Not what they do, not whether they are claiming town or neutral. Just the title. Then I will reveal my own."

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*waves a gun around*

Who keeps giving me these? This isn't funny. I'm gonna blame...Athedia, she always has a fun reaction to getting unfairly blamed.

"Okay I will be honest, I was focusing more on not giving a fun reaction."

[Illven]

"Checks out. Very Fallout New Vegas related.



"I could easily answer that for you. If you were interested. In fact, if lets say 4 more people reveal their titles. Not what they do, not whether they are claiming town or neutral. Just the title. Then I will reveal my own."

I mean, isn't there quite possibly a role sniper around? Like I don't know why people ARE giving their roles out.

Or do you think flat was a random day vig, or just delayed crunch to be bastardy?

[Cazero]

"I could easily answer that for you. If you were interested. In fact, if lets say 4 more people reveal their titles. Not what they do, not whether they are claiming town or neutral. Just the title. Then I will reveal my own."

...This feels very blatant for a role guesser. Those are usually evil getting free kills on a role guess, right?
And the corresponding vote : Athedia.

[Batcathat]

"I could easily answer that for you. If you were interested. In fact, if lets say 4 more people reveal their titles. Not what they do, not whether they are claiming town or neutral. Just the title. Then I will reveal my own."

I'm not sure whether this is a good idea. While I don't think anyone would automatically guess my role based on its name, I can sort of see a connection. Similarly, it makes sort of sense for the card counter to have a scry. So revealing our role names might give (admittedly vague) information to the wolves.

[Cazero]

I mean, isn't there quite possibly a role sniper around? Like I don't know why people ARE giving their roles out.

As far as I remember, I'm the only one who did, and I'd advise others against doing it.

[Let'sGetKraken]

https://forums.giantitp.com/showsing...40&postcount=5

Only two non wolves have guns, Vig and Serial killer and Vecna *hates* vigs. Plus they just played a form of one last game, hence the "Who keeps giving me these."

Mine is not casino themed. I imagine that makes it New Vegas themed but would have to ask my sibling for confirmation.

Wait, what? Sorry, are you talking about the types of roles that exist, or did I miss information (or are you claiming to know) that the only non-wolf killing roles in this game are vig and SK?

"I am fine with accusing Jeenleen but just out of curiosity BCH, is your name gambling or Fallout New Vegas themed?"

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"By name I do mean role."

"I wonder what a vigilante equivalent would be called. Are all of your role names Fallout: New Vegas or Casino themed? And I did not process a vig claim, but that could also be me missing it."

"Checks out. Very Fallout New Vegas related.

"I could easily answer that for you. If you were interested. In fact, if lets say 4 more people reveal their titles. Not what they do, not whether they are claiming town or neutral. Just the title. Then I will reveal my own."

Yeah, I am really, really not liking this. Athedia is pushing really hard for people to name their roles; this isn't necessarily wolfish, but this does not feel like town behaviour to me at all. I am getting very strong neutral vibes here. It's possible that flat dying was just a bastard mechanic designed to sow confusion or a trigger-happy dayvig, but it's a good reason not to provide the names of your roles.

I don't necessarily trust the Cazero claim - that seems like an easy enough power for wolves to fake, or just have in general, especially because he's not revealing who was jailed N2 - but it's enough to get me to back off for now.

I would strongly, strongly suggest not revealing your role names. I suspect Athedia needs to assign a certain number of titles to players to win, or else has a mechanism of shooting via roleguessing (though AV is a strong contender for that as well).

[Athedia]

...This feels very blatant for a role guesser. Those are usually evil getting free kills on a role guess, right?
And the corresponding vote : Athedia.

"Oh hon, I wish but given the playerbases general lack of knowledge about both gambling and Fallout New Vegas that would be rather cruel. Unless they had a cheat sheet of role names. But I honestly doubt there is a role guesser. Wouldn't Cao have died much sooner if that was the case? The first part of the offer was genuine. I can let folks know if their name is Fallout New Vegas themed, this also goes for the dead. I was even trying to determine if role type (gambling vs Character) connected to wolves. House and the Drifter being different decided that was not worth pursuing btw. But I will admit that it was mostly bait to see how folks would react. But look at how blackjack is played. I can't reveal my own hand until you all decide to stand."

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"Now speaking of blackjack. Would anyone like to play?"