Diplomacy - Subterfuge

[Aergoth]

Anyone else notice that the bravado posturing and such has all stopped? Everyone got serious after the beginning of the Fall move.

[Shular]

I certainly noticed. Don't be afraid to post headlines, folks. I'm sure there's a way to do so without revealing which country you are.

[Shular]

This is your 15 hour warning!

Don't forget those orders :-)

[Jamin]

Just so everyone knows I will be for real playing Germany now as Kalirren is busy or something like that

[Shular]

Fall 1902 Results!



Russia:
Fin - Nwy: OK
Swe S Fin - Nwy: Dislodged by Nwy 2:1;
StP - Fin: OK
Rum - Bul: Bounce with Bul;
Arm - Ank: Bounce with Ank;
War - Ukr: OK

Italy:
Wes - MAt: OK
Tyr - Tri: Bounce with Adr;
Ven S Tyr - Tri: OK
Apu H: OK

Germany:
Hol - Bel: Bounce with Bel;
Kie - Den: OK
Mun - Ruh: OK
Boh - Mun: OK

France:
Por - Spa Illegal; :
GoL - Spa: OK
Eng H: OK
Bel - Eng - Lon: Void;
Bur H: OK

England:
Lon - Nth: OK
Yor - Lon: OK
Nwy - Swe: OK
Ska S Nwy - Swe: OK

Austria:
Tri - Ser: OK
Bud S Tri - Ser: OK
Adr - Tri: Bounce with Tyr;
Vie S Adr - Tri: OK

Turkey: NMR (Advice: if you're not sure you sent in orders, it doesn't hurt to re-send them)

Turkey may retreat army in Ser to: Alb Gre

Russia may retreat fleet in Swe to: Bal Bot

Retreat orders due Nov 26, 23:00.
Build orders due Nov 27, 23:00
Spring 1903 orders due Mon Dec 1st, 23:00

[Psionic Dog]

That... that was not what I had predicted would happen. By anyone.

Out of curiosity, why is the French order Por -> Spain Illegal

[Neftren]

That... that was not what I had predicted would happen. By anyone.

Out of curiosity, why is the French order Por -> Spain Illegal

Perhaps it's because there is already a French Fleet in Spain that didn't vacate the territory? I dunno... Also, what was with the Bel - Eng - Lon order from France? Was it an attempted convoy?

[Aergoth]

Maybe the applet had a computerized equivalent to a brain-fail.

[Shular]

F Por - Spa failed because the order didn't specify south coast or north coast.

Convoy failed because F Eng was ordered to H instead of convoy.

[Shular]

7 hour warning for retreats

[Shular]

Retreats: Swe R to Bot, Ser R to Gre



Russia takes Nwy from England.
Germany gains Den.
England takes Swe from Russia.
France gains Por.

Germany may build 1 unit.
France may build 1 unit.

Build orders due Nov 27, 23:00
Spring 1903 orders due Mon Dec 1st, 23:00

[Kroy]

***Russian and English Stupidity In Scandinavia Surprises All***
***Russian and English Stupidity In Scandinavia SurprisesMost

[Neftren]

Or it could be the English having brilliantly second guessed the Russians.
However, the French are taking a not so friendly attitude towards their neighbors to the north.
The Italians are being really weird with their fleet.
Austria seems to have slipped up and allowed Turkey to breakout.

[Aergoth]

Yeah but turkey slipped up there. They let Austria get Serbia back because of inaction. That was a bad move.

[Kroy]

If you look, Russia cut any possible support from Bul, leaving Ser to fight two Austrian armies alone. Action could not have saved Ser, but better planning might have.

[Shular]

France builds A Par
Germany builds F Kie

Spring 1903



Spring 1903 orders due:

Sunday, Nov. 30, 23:00 (disregard previous post)

[Shular]

24 hour warning!

[Kalirren]

Or it could be the English having brilliantly second guessed the Russians.
However, the French are taking a not so friendly attitude towards their neighbors to the north.
The Italians are being really weird with their fleet.
Austria seems to have slipped up and allowed Turkey to breakout.

I second this opinion. The way I see it, this is England's way of making Germany dance to the British tune...The fact is that England now has three fleets to bear on Denmark and uncuttable support from the Skag. The only way that Denmark will remain German is for Germany to either cut a deal with England's honor or move into the Baltic and anger Russia while trusting France (whom he's undoubtedly just pissed off with his fall moves).

Italy is a good player, hands down.

[Shular]

30 minute warning - get those orders in!!

[Shular]

Anarchy in the UK (not to mention Italy and Turkey)!

Results for Spring 1903



Russia:
Arm - Smy: OK
Rum - Bla: OK
Ukr - Rum: OK
Fin S Nwy H: OK
Nwy H: OK
Bot - Swe: Bounce with Swe;

Germany:
Den H: OK
Hol - Bel: Bounce with Bel;
Kie S Den H: OK
Ruh S Mun - Bur: OK
Mun - Bur: Bounce with Bur;

France:
Por H: OK
Spa H: OK
Bel H: OK
Eng - Bre: OK
Bur H: OK
Par S Bur H: OK

Note to France: "Par -> Support Bur if he gets attacked" I accepted THIS time, but in the future, orders can't be conditional. (Especially since I could have interpreted this grammatically as Par being the "he" that must be under attack)

Austria:
Ser H: OK
Bud S Ser H: OK
Adr - Tri: OK
Vie S Adr - Tri: OK

England: NMR

Italy: NMR

Turkey: NMR

No retreats. Fall orders due
Wednesday, December 3, 2008, 23:00 hours
(Try not to miss them)

[Kalirren]

You know, based upon my understanding of who knew who was playing whom, I would wager that all of the clueless people just NMRed.

[Moody the Wise]

You know, based upon my understanding of who knew who was playing whom, I would wager that all of the clueless people just NMRed.

A bold little theory. I think Italy's NMR was brilliant, though. As you yourself said earlier, "Italy is a good player, hands down."

[Kalirren]

Turkey's NMR was the most suspect of them all. England and Italy really lost nothing, but I doubt that Turkey will survive the loss of Bulgaria/Smyrna.

I have to admit that it was a very clever use of NMR. Props to the architect who organized that move.

[Neftren]

I will state that I deliberately NMR'ed. Partly it was just not knowing what to do, or who to trust.

[Aergoth]

He's full of it. Look, Turkey's probably AFI or similar.

[Psionic Dog]

I will state that I deliberately NMR'ed. Partly it was just not knowing what to do, or who to trust.

You can trust me.

[Kroy]

What does NMR? No messages ready?

[Kalirren]

NMR = No Moves Recieved [by the moderator]. But I don't know what AFI means.

Well, if Turkey's player is really gone, I can understand. Turkey's board position is not enviable, what with the Russian fleet in the Black Sea and no builds in sight, or meddling Germans for Russia to worry about.

[Neftren]

Well depending on Russia's next strategy... he can either go for the English or the Austro-Hungarians. I can see the Russians trying to beat England, but as it stands, the English are in an excellent position to just keep dancing between Sweden and Norway. Now all they need is a friend to help beat up on Russia. It'd probably be convenient if Germany would pitch in, but again, nobody really knows who is who.

I can foresee a future French stab of Germany. There seems to be a sort of... standoff building. The French probably couldn't, or wouldn't fight the English with their removal of the fleet in the English Channel, but I could just as easily say they wanted to protect Brest from potential Italian invasion. However, Italy wouldn't gain anything by entering this turn, so any move by the Italians in the Atlantic would have to be a brilliant second guess against the French.

Moving into the Balkans... Austria-Hungary is in a deadlock. If they work together against Russia, I could see both AH and Turkey recover. Turkey's position is hardly enviable, but if the Turkish can pull of some decent bounce-warfare to exploit game mechanics, they can certainly retake Smyrna without losing anything.

[Aergoth]

AFI means Away from Internet. They could just not have reliable internet access, be it firewalled or similar.