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2011-09-20, 03:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-20, 03:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Not good. Despite being despised by both, Elan's dad seems fairly fond of both of them, and Tarquin is a lot of things, but lawful ain't one of them.
EDIT: Not good meaning odds are the the lawyers would loose.Last edited by B.I.T.T.; 2011-09-20 at 03:33 PM.
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2011-09-20, 03:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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About 5/152, I'd say.
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2011-09-20, 03:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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The comic begs to differ with your assessment of Tarquin's alignment:
http://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0050.html
That's not Elan's or Nale's assessment - the lawyer scene is an outtake. So he's lawful evil to the best of our knowledge, which also fits his modus operandi.Last edited by Deliverance; 2011-09-20 at 03:52 PM.
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2011-09-20, 05:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-20, 06:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well I doubt that Elan or Haley (especially Haley) would accept personal jurisdiction from Tarquin's court system, although they probably wouldn't have difficulty laying venue since there's a clear location where the accident happened. At that point, the lawyers only get a trial if they can force Tarquin to drag Elan and Haley into court and that's not happening.
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2011-09-20, 06:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-20, 06:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Or to say it shorter and with Belkar's words: "I'm chaotic"
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2011-09-20, 07:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Technically, it's not assault - which is the threat of committing an unwanted touching.
A battery charge is possible - an actual unwanted touching. Elan did not intend the touching; it could be argued that he was negligent in putting his girlfriend in his pocket, but that argue should fail in the face of Elan's dealing with an emergency.
No, Elan should be in the clear. Who's in danger of being sued is Sabine, since it was her attack on Elan that proximately led to the battery. She may escape Tarquin's justice but those lawyers can pop up anywhere!
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2011-09-20, 07:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-20, 08:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hey, all I know is that laws and bureaucracy talk makes any fantasy story even more epic. Just look at the Star Wars prequels. On second thought, take back what I just said.
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2011-09-20, 08:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-09-20, 08:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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@ the inevitable alignment debate - Tarquin is a good example of how, just like Lawful Good, Lawful Evil can be played in a number of different ways. Tarquin is an example of the style of Lawful that uses the rules as a base for their strength - Tarquin's power is given to him by law and order to a point, and in particular, he holds to a personal code of doing things 'properly'. In the same way that Roy sometimes uses Chaotic or Neutral means to accomplish Lawful Good ends, Tarquin is generally Lawful Evil but will sometimes use Chaotic means (e.g., imprisoning the bounty hunters) to Evil ends (revenge, in this case). And, more to the point, he's explicitly stated to be LE in-comic.
That said, no way he'd let anyone go after Elan: he does genuinely love him, and he's aware that Elan and the OOTS' well-being are important to his continued rule.
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I probably shouldn't have asked here. Sorry, denthor.
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2011-09-20, 10:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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As far as I know, half the board seems to frequent TVTropes.
Also, is there a particular reason you mention that website in completely unrelated contexts only to denigrate the people who like it while claiming that everyone agrees with you? It seems like childish behavior.
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2011-09-21, 01:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'll take the middle ground between not answering and derailing, by spoilering my response. Here goes!
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Well, I don't hate the Star Wars prequels, but I do think they have a lot of serious flaws. Here are a few of them:
1. Jar-Jar, the super-annoying "comic"-relief character. He really brought down the quality of the films with his ridiculous behavior and persona.
2. Midichlorians. A completely unnecessary and STUPID idea that contradicts the depiction of the force in the original movies.
3. Episode 1's "Let's see how many groups we can offend" shtick.
---Jamaican people (Jar-Jar)
---Japanese people (obviously Japanese-sounding evil businessmen)
---Christians (Darth Vader has a miraculous, virgin birth)
4. Jake Lloyd/Poorly-acted depiction of Child Anakin
5. Hayden Christensen/Whiny older Anakin
6. Poor Dialogue, e.g. "From MY point of view, the JEDI are evil!" (Really? "From my point of view"? They couldn't phrase the line any better than this?)
7. Obi-Wan leaving Anakin to slowly burn to death in agony, instead of trying to get him to a medic or at least put him out of his misery. (Yes, this one's awfully specific, but seriously, that's always really bothered me. What kind of a monster does that to someone, especially someone who even at one time was "like a brother" to him?)
8. Poor pacing of Anakin's turn to the dark side. It's not that it wasn't foreshadowed and set up at all, but it he was still really quick to go from "doubts about the Jedi" to "betray everyone I've ever known" and "willling to murder children".
9. Imagining how awesome the prequels could have been, if done differently. For instance:
---By episode 3, Anakin is already Vader. Most of the movie involves him hunting down and killing remaining Jedi--as he was said to have done in the original Star Wars. (Instead, all we got was "order 66".) Episodes 1 and 2 focus more explicitly on his training and setting up his eventual fall, rather than having a whole movie take place before his training even began. The relationships between Yoda, Dooku, Qui-Gon, and Obi-Wan are more fleshed out, along with the nature of the force. The intertwining themes surrounding these characters set up their eventual resolution via Luke and Vader in episodes 4-6.
Anyway, like I said, I don't hate the prequels. However, I think there's a lot of good reasons to criticize them.HUMANS....... ARE....... SUPERIORRRRRRR!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
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2011-09-21, 05:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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OBJECTION! *points finger* The posters are clearly derailing the thread!
Regardless, the Lawyers aren't very competent; there's a far out-weighing of their wins (well, the bald lawyer's) to their losses (well, the haired lawyer's losses). Also, it'd be a surprising throw-away to drag them away from important confrontation; needless to say the situation would already have to be pretty silly for it to work, unless it's another Ranch Dressing situation.Last edited by Atcote; 2011-09-21 at 05:22 AM.
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2011-09-21, 05:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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The prequel movies hinged on an idiot plot: Their plot would have been entirely derailed had any of the characters not acted like idiots.
What "Sidious" lacked in the slightest trace of personality, he made up in skill at Xanatos Roulette.
The Emperor was actually very bad at manipulating in Return of the Jedi (while Vader was trying to corrupt Luke, the Emperor kept reminding Luke that he would be corrupted if he gave in to his anger). Mysteriously, while "Sidious" wasn't actually any better at manipulating in the prequel trilogy, everyone he was blatantly trying to manipulate ditched all their brains and did exactly what he wanted for no particular reason.
Since when are Jedi allowed to sadistically let their enemies burn nearly to death, self-righteously lecture them, and walk away? Setting aside the fact that that particular action of Obi-Wan's was as stupid as it was evil.Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2011-09-21, 05:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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I actually pretend the Star Wars prequels don't exist. And they are different enough from the OT to me that it isn't hard to pretend this. Plus is makes Darths and Droids more fun to read.
As far as the lawyer talk, I thought it was all for comedic effect and I doubt it will have any bearing on the plot."And yet, will we ever come to an end of discussion and talk if we think we must always reply to replies? For replies come from those who either cannot understand what is said to them, or are so stubborn and contentious that they refuse to give in even if they do understand." - St. Augustine
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2011-09-21, 07:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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In the novel, it's made clear that killing Anakin at that point would have been murder, not self defence, or "righteous vigilante justice".
It also has Obi-wan thinking that climbing down, at this point, might cost him more time than he has, given how close Palpatine is, and that saving Padme is more important.Marut-2 Avatar by Serpentine
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2011-09-21, 10:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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The problem with that is that novels aren't the source. The fact that it was explained in the novel at all just drives the point further because it's something that was added exactly because it was suspect in the movie.
...or it's simply clarifying something that wasn't obvious in the movie. That makes it just bad writing and directing on Lucas' part. Or both.
What's this thread about again? Oh...Lawyers are cool guys.Last edited by FatJose; 2011-09-21 at 10:11 AM.
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It tends to be the other way round- novelizations being written late in the film cycle but before actual release- so they contain scenes that were dropped from the movie to save space.
Like the Jabba & Han scene- in the book, not in the original movie, added for the Special Edition.Marut-2 Avatar by Serpentine
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2011-09-21, 11:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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But this is a false trichotomy. Like I said before, I'd argue that killing him would be an act of mercy, compared to leaving him to suffer in agony.
Climbing down? After the lightsaber strike that severed Anakin's limbs, Obi-Wan should have still been very close. He wasn't that far up a hill, and in the movie there's no indication that he even knows that Palpatine is close. On that point, I agree with previous posters that if the novels make a point of explaining all this, it just highlights how poorly the scene was handled in the movie itself.Last edited by Holy_Knight; 2011-09-21 at 11:45 AM.
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