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2012-09-17, 04:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-17, 04:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XIV: Instant Annoying, Just Add Hexproof
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2012-09-17, 09:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XIV: Instant Annoying, Just Add Hexproof
SpoilerIt seems that they are printing all the mana fixing stuff in the first two sets (Shocklands, gates, Chromatic Lantern), so I'm guessing birds will be in the last set, with some cool new flavor text based on [SPECULATION] the nature people that are trying to take down Ravnica [/SPECULATION]
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2012-09-18, 01:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerWe wont see Birds of Paradise. Because they've basically never been out of Standard and you need to shake things up sometime.Thanks Uncle Festy for the wonderful Ashling Avatar
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2012-09-18, 02:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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At this point, I think to make Birds of Paradise's price drop you have to stop printing it.
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2012-09-18, 07:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XIV: Instant Annoying, Just Add Hexproof
SpoilerHmm... So, the card that makes dragon tokens isn't in the huge section of spoiled cards...
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2012-09-18, 11:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XIV: Instant Annoying, Just Add Hexproof
SpoilerIt was revealed, however:
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Whenever a Dragon you control attacks, put a 6/6 Red Dragon creature token with flying onto the battlefield.
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2012-09-18, 03:10 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerGuh. I want that dragon so badly.Basilisk 6Pilot of the Thing
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2012-09-18, 04:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XIV: Instant Annoying, Just Add Hexproof
Wow. I used to play back in high school, almost 2 decades ago. Now my kids have discovered this game through the gamer's guild at my wife's college. They got a couple of sample decks, and really enjoyed it, so we've picked up a box of cards for them. It seems the game has changed since I left.
Looking through the cards, I've got some questions on how some things work:
Soulbond: This allows creatures to pair up and share abilities. Is a creature able to pair up with another creature with soulbond, or any other creature?
Planeswalkers: Last time I checked, the only planeswalkers were the players. Can someone explain, or point me to an explanation, how these work?
Double sided card: One of the cards had no back, but a creature on each side. I've seen reference to these types, but no explanation of what to do with them. Any input on this?
More general questions:
Is there a list of rules/resources available somewhere?
Is there a decent program for organizing collections of cards?
Any good tips for beginner players? I've had some experience, but it's been so long.
What should the ration of land to other cards be in a deck?
Thanks for any help you can bring to me.
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2012-09-18, 04:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XIV: Instant Annoying, Just Add Hexproof
Well, I can't really help with your general questions, but I can help with these:
1. Soulbond creatures can bond with any creatures that are not currently soulbonded- that is, that is not already receiving Soulbond benefits from another creature. You can soulbond two creatures with Soulbond together, for instance, and they would both get the benefits of each's soulbond ability.
2. Planeswalkers: There was a whole story arc with the Mending and planeswalkers in general getting depowered, but here's how they work: On each, there is a number in the lower right hand corner. The planeswalker enters the battlefield with that many "Loyalty counters" on them. Each turn, including the turn that the planeswalker came into play, they can activate one ability of the planeswalkers at sorcery speed. To the right of each ability is a number- for example, on Garruk Wildspeaker, you have +1, -1, and -4. When you activate an ability, you alter Garruk's loyalty by that number- so, if you untap two lands, Garruk gets another loyalty counter, going up to 4. You can't remove more Loyalty counters than the planeswalker has- so, for instance, you can't activate Garruk's -4 ability when he has 3 counters on them. Then comes the odd part- they act sort of like other players. When creatures attack you, their owner can choose to have them attack a planeswalker you control instead- for example, your opponent's Shivan Dragon could attack your Garruk and deal no damage to you if its controller wishes it. However, you can still block for planeswalkers you control- you could still block the Shivan Dragon to save Garruk. Additionally, if a player would deal noncombat damage to you- like Lightning Bolt, and so on- they can choose to deal it to a Planeswalker you control instead. Finally, you can only have one Planeswalker of the same subtype on the battlefield at one time. So, you can't have both Garruk, Primal Hunter on the battlefield at the same time as you have Garruk Wildspeaker. They're both Garruk, and act like Legendary creatures, despite not having the same name.
3. Double Sided cards- cards with two faces. There are two ways to deal with those- one is that in Innistrad and Dark Ascension booster packs (The two sets that used double-faced cards), there are checklist cards with normal Magic backs that can be used in your deck. When you play the card, you just take the actual double-faced card out of wherever you're storing it, and put it on the battlefield. Alternatively, if you have sleeves that have an opaque back, you can just slip double sided cards in those, and then take them out and flip them when they transform (flip over).
Hope this helps.
EDIT: Oh, one more thing: You might want to take a look at the value of your old cards, if you have any. Some of them are worth a lot, nowadays.Last edited by Fable Wright; 2012-09-18 at 05:01 PM.
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2012-09-18, 05:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XIV: Instant Annoying, Just Add Hexproof
Soulbond allows you to pair it with any unpaired creature. "Unpaired" just means that it isn't already paired with another creature, so you can pair a creature with soulbond to a creature that doesn't have soulbond.
Planeswalker cards are a bit more complicated. Basically, they enter the battlefield with the number of loyalty counters specified in the lower right. Once per turn, at sorcery speed, you can use one of the planeswalker's abilities that you can pay for by adding or subtracting the number of loyalty counters indicated in the box on the left. You can't use an ability if you don't have enough loyalty counters. Planeswalkers can be attacked as if they were a player, so if you have a planeswalker, your opponent needs to decide which of their creatures are attacking who, although you still get to block regardless of who's getting attacked. Planeswalkers who take damage get that many loyalty counters removed, and if they have zero or less loyalty, they get put into the graveyard. If you cast a spell that deals damage to a player, you can choose to redirect the damage to ONE of their planeswalkers when the spell resolves, although you are still targeting the player and not actually the planeswalker.
The double-faced cards (DFCs) have one side with a mana cost and one without one. Anywhere except the battlefield, the card is treated as the the side WITH the mana cost. All DFCs have something that triggers their transformation, and when it transforms, you flip it over and it turns into whatever is on the back. If you want to put one in your deck, you need to use the checklist cards that are in most of the packs (just mark which one it is), or you can just use sleeves.
Basic and comprehensive rules can be found here.
If you want to organize your old cards, you can do what I did: Cry bitter tears that you didn't have a better filing system when you were younger, then spend three months sorting them all. (I don't really have a good answer for you here, although I wish you luck)
If you're just getting started, I would first just learn the basics: Steps and phases of each turn (untap, upkeep, draw, etc.), when you can cast things(the stack is your friend!), what common keywords (like flying and protection) do, and some common pitfalls to avoid (like-mana is land, planeswalkers are players, etc.).
A good land/non-land ratio differs from deck to deck. Aggressive decks with low curves or ways to ensure they can still cast their threats when low on mana can get away with running less, in the neighborhood of 17-19, and control decks that have good card advantage and NEED to hit all their land drops often play more, in the neighborhood of 24-26. Most decks usually have somewhere between 21-23 lands, though.
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2012-09-18, 05:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XIV: Instant Annoying, Just Add Hexproof
Thanks, I will parse the rest of the info later, but as for the value of old cards: they were worth one bottle of Jack Daniel's. I had a shoebox full that I got rid of my first semester of college, since they weren't doing me any good. Never expected them to, either.
Edit: Ok, I've had a chance to read through your replies. That cleared things up for me. I'm sure I'll probably run into some more questions as I look deeper into things and find more stuff added during my absence.Last edited by razark; 2012-09-18 at 06:31 PM.
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2012-09-18, 10:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Looks like you got a box of the wrong set. I'd have recommended Magic 2013 instead.
More general questions:
Is there a list of rules/resources available somewhere?
Is there a decent program for organizing collections of cards?
Any good tips for beginner players? I've had some experience, but it's been so long.
What should the ration of land to other cards be in a deck?Last edited by Bucky; 2012-09-18 at 10:10 PM.
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2012-09-18, 10:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Spoiler
So what are people's thoughts on Golgari Charm?
Golgari Charm GB
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Choose one - All creatures get -1/-1 until end of turn; or destroy target enchantment; or regenerate each creature you control.
This card in general seems ridiculously strong, especially in modern. I can definitely think of a few decks that like making their stuff unkillable for a bit and/or wiping mana dorks tokens or fae...
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2012-09-18, 10:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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*Brings news*
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2012-09-18, 10:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerTo me, it looks over-hyped. Not many decks run ridiculous enchantments, most Wraths in Modern don't allow Regeneration (Gifts for Final Judgement, Hallowed Burial, Wrath of God, and Day of Judgement, anyone?), and all creatures getting -1/-1 is not actually that good. Cower in Fear didn't really do anything to the format, and while the other options are nice, I don't really think that it's quite at the ridiculous level. Wrap in Vigor was subpar, a bad Erase is subpar, and Cower in Fear is subpar- I just don't get what the hype is. I can see it being useful for the utility, like it's supposed to be- niche case against unbuffed Spirit tokens in Standard, getting rid of Knights of Glory, occasionally acting as a bit of a buffer, getting rid of an Intangible Virtue, and so on make it a nice utility card/combat trick, but in the end of the day it isn't as stupid as people seem to be making it out to be. I'd give it 4 stars as a solid card, and probably run 2-4 if I ever go Golgari, but it really isn't as good as people keep saying it is...
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2012-09-18, 10:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerGolgari Charm is incredibly good in Zombies. It beats Oblivion Ring/Detention Sphere and Supreme Verdict, which are going to be some of the most valuable weapons against them, and the majority of their creatures have more than 1 toughness so Golgari Charm just kills Gravecrawlers and Blood Artists. The other two modes are, however, of more value in terms of utility. It seems like quite a useful card for them to have in their toolbox.
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2012-09-18, 11:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-19, 12:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Wait, what? I thought bans were announced on September 20? Isn't it a bit early?
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2012-09-19, 12:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-19, 12:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Anybody got some advice for my casual Tribal Eldrazi deck? Such as best colors to go with it, or should it remain entirely colorless, since there's enough affordable colorless mana acceleration anyway (Palladium myr, Cloudpost, Eldrazi Temple, Sol Ring, Everflowing Chalice, Semblance anvil, large amounts of others)? So far for it I have
2 Kozilek, Butcher of Truth
1 Emrakul, the Aeons Torn (Not sure if I want to put the money down for another)
2 All is dust
1 It that Betrays
Other more common Eldrazi (Ulamog's crusher, Pathrazer of Ulamog)
I may have found an Ulamog for a decent price too. Anybody know what "#GIV" means?
Also, what's the best colorless acceleration for this deck without spending a large amount of money?
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2012-09-19, 01:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Wonder if we'll see an Earthcraft unban this time around.
I mean, I doubt we will so soon after another unbanning...but it's still possible, and it's probably next on the list after Land Tax.
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2012-09-19, 09:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XIV: Instant Annoying, Just Add Hexproof
I used to play a Tribal Eldrazi deck, and I went with R/G. Red mostly for burn and for Brood Birthing, Green for Overgrown Battlements and Kozilek's Predator. I saw some successful decks back in the day put in Pelakka Wurm for the lifegain on a huge body, and Crystal Ball was used for dig.
Since it's casual, I recommend Soul Foundry in the shell. Popping out tons of Predators or Overgrown Battlements every turn leads to getting ALL THE MANA more often than you'd expect...
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2012-09-19, 11:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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SpoilerStory of RtR: So who wants to bet that Jace's fingerprints are all over the Interlocus? (That would be the giant meta-project that Niv-Mizzet is currently working on)
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2012-09-19, 11:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XIV: Instant Annoying, Just Add Hexproof
Alright. I've got 3 Rootbound Crags and 1 Copperline Gorge, so that'll work. I've got 2 Vexing Devils (Hoping to make it four) and 4 lightning bolts I could throw in for a burn aspect, plus 3 Brimstone volleys.
Since it's casual, I recommend Soul Foundry in the shell. Popping out tons of Predators or Overgrown Battlements every turn leads to getting ALL THE MANA more often than you'd expect...
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2012-09-19, 07:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XIV: Instant Annoying, Just Add Hexproof
Don't put in the devils. If you want burn in a ramp deck it's because it's a cheap way to get rid of the little creatures that threaten to take away your 20 before your drop a monster. Them being at 6 or 2 will often be irrelevant if you just made them sac their board.
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2012-09-19, 08:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Magic: The Gathering Thread XIV: Instant Annoying, Just Add Hexproof
Never play Vexing Devil in a deck where you wouldn't want to run Lava Spike.
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2012-09-19, 09:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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I never got this argument. I don't see them as being remotely the same thing, or being things you'd necessarily want in the same deck.
I just like the devils which is why I'm including them at the moment. I'll probably take them out eventually, and they may not even make it into the final deck. I don't know at the moment, since I don't have the cases to build the deck right now anyway.
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2012-09-19, 09:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm going to back everyone up on this- Vexing Devils isn't the best card for this deck. Vexing Devils wants the opponents to be on a clock, so either option hurts. Eldrazi Ramp is either playing enormous creatures that make the Devils look like small fries in comparison, or not really having a clock to make the decision to pay 4 life a big one.
As for cards I would recommend for this deck... Ancient Stirrings is a big one. Find a Land, Eldrazi, Sol Ring for G? Seems good. Staggershock and Arc Trail are also good ones- they facilitate powerful plays to help cripple your opponent. Shoot their beater(s) and/or dork(s), giving yourself enough time to stabilize behind Overgrown Battlements and chump blockers. And then suddenly Ulamog/Flying Spaghetti Monster.
One final bit of tech that I hadn't really considered before seeing a friend's deck was Battle Ramparts. Aside from synergizing with the Battlements well (both defenders, can turn a newly played Battlements into a ritual effect), Wizards of the Coast notably did not design Eldrazi with Haste in mind. Casting Emrakul and getting 2 swings with it is just silly. Casting an Ulamog to blow up their power permanent, swing in for Annihilation, and force the opponent to block or take 11 in one turn can really do a number on most opponents...
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2012-09-19, 11:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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