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2012-09-24, 08:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 2 rounds to kill a target that has infinite SR and is immune to Saving Throws
This thread reminds me of the Omnidroid from The Incredibles.
Also, since the Stuffy Doll ability is (Su), couldn't you just use a Transdimensional Antimagic Field to suppress it until the timer expired?Last edited by Chess435; 2012-09-24 at 08:25 PM.
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2012-09-24, 08:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 2 rounds to kill a target that has infinite SR and is immune to Saving Throws
Wow, this is going to take a while...
Look at the Atropal. It is an Undead creature and possess regeneration. A Constitution score is not a pre-requisite for having regeneration.
This has been pointed out I am still not entirely convinced on the argument that states that an Anti-magic field allows for orbs to be casting into it, but regardless, the Stuffy Doll is an incorporeal Undead meaning that it winks away the moment you surround it with an Anti-magic field. You are now stuck with the curse with no way of saving yourself, it's the same thing as preventing the creature from popping down on you. The creature doesn't kill you, it's curse does and to respond to the inevitable argument of "I cast remove curse", the Stuffy Doll's ability Stuffy Doll isn't exactly a curse it is in essence the Stuffy Doll using Future Sight on you (in gen V).
You've discover a way to deal damage to the Stuffy Doll. Good job now figure out a way to negate it's Karma without causing it to wink out of existance and peeing in your soup.
With Karma it doesn't actually have to come from you, all you have to do is be either directly or indirectly involved. Heres the thing, the moment your delay death wears off you die. Because effectively the Stuffy Doll is using Purify to remove your Delay death and finishing you with it's Curse.
Archetypal Shape is an Ex that the Sharn have. It makes it so that you cannot polymorph, shapechange or be polymorphied into a Sharn or in this case a Stuff Doll.
Heh... I'd like to see more threads like these... They're entertaining and force players to be a little bit more creative instead of using the standard BS that they have to
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2012-09-24, 09:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 2 rounds to kill a target that has infinite SR and is immune to Saving Throws
By definition, "infinity" is more than any defined number, even if it can never be resolved (but fitted into an algorithm, it wouldn't). Your own post involved breaking an infinite loop involving revolving hits, so you *know* that this can be circumvented.
This thing never actually had magical concealment, but point. I assumed you meant to help bring down that AC.
I was just correcting your "always AC10" thing. You claimed that you could hit even infinite AC on a 10, I refuted that claim.
My method at least uses spells, as the OP requested. You submitted a martial build that uses a cleric level to access Cleric-specific abilities and never uses a spell whatsoever.
Also, yes. Clearly my method at the time did not work because I forgot it was Mindless. Primarily because that's nonsense (Mindless creatures should not have the presence of mind to single out a target from across the multiverse), but whatever.
If my post sounded harsh, it's just because I was responding to very strong claims on your part (always successful, no chance of failure), and because you were using my least-favorite example of really bad RAW-lawyering. I don't have any issue with you at all.
EDIT: to Arcanist: you listed its touch AC... But what is its flat-footed?Last edited by Lonely Tylenol; 2012-09-24 at 09:06 PM.
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2012-09-24, 09:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-24, 09:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 2 rounds to kill a target that has infinite SR and is immune to Saving Throws
I shall use the Dragonwrought Kobold argument! "Well, since X defies this rule then it doesn't apply to all of them or any of them for that matter."
but seriously, I have some egg on my face after that one On a side note: Does a Zombie Tarrasque lose it's Regeneration? I mean the Zombie template specifically states that it keeps all of it's extraordinary abilities which Regeneration is... so... Well... crap...
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2012-09-24, 09:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 2 rounds to kill a target that has infinite SR and is immune to Saving Throws
Don't worry, there are a bunch of ways to break that 'rule'.
So, version 10? Is it still up?
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Delay until after all of your followers, have gone, each bestowing another use of Supernatural Spell upon you. Yes, you can soak the Disjunction, and the GDM, since you have no active spells, and no magic items.
Use GAF loop to cast an arbitrary amount of Celerities (I think I use less than 100). Cast Twin Sanctum Invisible Cooperative Mage's Lucubration 60 times. You now have (at least 60 6th level spell slots).
Cast (using Versatile Spellcaster if you feel like it) 30 supernatural Avasculates. It auto passes the save, which means nothing. Each spell reduces its hp to half round down (this is not damage, and so is not returned). This reduces it to 0 hp, which kills it as an undead.Dex
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2012-09-24, 10:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 2 rounds to kill a target that has infinite SR and is immune to Saving Throws
In this specific case there's no problem; Regeneration does not "improve its melee or ranged attacks", so out it goes.
In general I'd say that a template indicating a large swath of abilities are retained when becoming undead/construct is more general than Regeneration saying it cannot be retained at Con -.
Edit: I thought of (and actually mentioned) avasculate, but isn't it actually a [death] effect, and therefore blocked by undead immunity?Last edited by TuggyNE; 2012-09-24 at 10:28 PM.
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2012-09-24, 10:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 2 rounds to kill a target that has infinite SR and is immune to Saving Throws
As an Undead it has flat out immunity to any effects of Avasculate since it doesn't effect an object. on that note, nah 10's been done for a while, I'm just suffering a little bit of a hole in this. I can't think of something to add to it that makes it harder to kill without adding a Divine Rank, thanks for adding more insight to this though... I have an idea, that I'd like to test on you though *scribble*
EDIT: and yes Avasculate is a Death effect.
EDIT v2: V.11 is up and ready. I welcome you all to try and break the endless silence.Last edited by Arcanist; 2012-09-24 at 10:42 PM.
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2012-09-24, 10:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-24, 10:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-24, 11:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 2 rounds to kill a target that has infinite SR and is immune to Saving Throws
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2012-09-24, 11:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Do we retroactively know it's location? If not, we still might be able to get there with a carefully worded wish.
Edit: Ninja'd by Glyphstone.Last edited by Chess435; 2012-09-24 at 11:08 PM.
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2012-09-24, 11:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-24, 11:11 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-24, 11:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-24, 11:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 2 rounds to kill a target that has infinite SR and is immune to Saving Throws
Replace Wish with Reality Revision to get you there. Also, you forgot to change the status for v12.
Edit: Nevermind, the Spire's (Su) ability negation effect prevents the doll from killing you in the first place, so it just beats itself.Last edited by Chess435; 2012-09-24 at 11:32 PM.
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2012-09-24, 11:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-24, 11:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 2 rounds to kill a target that has infinite SR and is immune to Saving Throws
Question: Can Planar Shepherd override the Spire's magic negation thingy?
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2012-09-24, 11:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 2 rounds to kill a target that has infinite SR and is immune to Saving Throws
My previous Sorcerer sling Infinite Orbs of Sound with Attune Form? I might need Druid/Planar Shepherd on the other side.
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2012-09-24, 11:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 2 rounds to kill a target that has infinite SR and is immune to Saving Throws
On another plane, round 1: shapeshift -> Chronotyryn, greater plane shift to an area 9ths work, optional move/swift actions (probably to determine location of target), teleportation circle pointing to the monster's area.
Round 2: infinite-spell abuse to summon a very great many monsters with wizard spellcasting (orb of sound, etc). Monsters move through and use standards to hit it.
Job done.
Edit: hmm... getting a good sonic spell is not quite as easy as force, but it's still not too hard.
Edit again: probably won't work at all for reasons I neglected.Last edited by TuggyNE; 2012-09-25 at 12:08 AM. Reason: Bleh
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2012-09-25, 12:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-25, 12:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-25, 12:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-09-25, 12:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 2 rounds to kill a target that has infinite SR and is immune to Saving Throws
We'll work that out when we get there. The doll no longer has it's Globe of Invulnerability, and we have access to up a 4th level spell via Invoke Magic. Any ideas?
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2012-09-25, 12:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 2 rounds to kill a target that has infinite SR and is immune to Saving Throws
Hmm, OK, plane-crossing mind bullets can go both ways. I'm thinking love's pain abuse (and ability damage mitigation or some such) should do the job here, but a) I don't remember if it bypasses regeneration; b) not quite sure whether the Spire counts as antimagic field or not.
But Arcanist, I honestly think you're getting very close to the point of pure fiat.Projects: Homebrew, Gentlemen's Agreement, DMPCs, Forbidden Knowledge safety, and Top Ten Worst. Also, Quotes and RACSD are good.
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2012-09-25, 12:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 2 rounds to kill a target that has infinite SR and is immune to Saving Throws
If you can complete it in 2 rounds, go right ahead. The Spire counts as... well the Spire... It negates everything it describes and not just magic. Thanks to the Spire, I can more or less drop a lot of the defenses I've created.
I know, I know and it kills me a little If this Scruffy Doll variant is defeated I will completely surrenderLarloch, The Shadow King (w/ Ioun Stones) avatar by Iron Penguin
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2012-09-25, 12:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 2 rounds to kill a target that has infinite SR and is immune to Saving Throws
Limited Magic does not count as an AMF, otherwise we could just Initiate of Mystara around it.
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