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Thread: Mounted Sneak Attack?????
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2012-11-04, 08:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Mounted Sneak Attack?????
okay, so I stumbled upon this very not nice PrC Crinti Shadow Marauder that grants you dimension door AND a POUNCE after ANY completion of a transportation descriptor ANYTHING! only set back is that the built in dimension door requires your mount and limited range per day, but we all know at least a few tricks to get a transportation effect...
so what im trying to figure out here is can you use a "pounce" type action from the back of a mount AND sneak attack the entire time as well.
flavor wise i was thinking have a stealthy mount with the pounce ability and then stab/smash from the mounts back with the full attack granted you from the class...
IDK, trying to find a way for this to be cool and viable. thoughts are rogue 5/ crinti shadow marauder 5/ shadow dancer 10 for a fun 20 level build that gets flanking buddies and more shadow themed jumping around with dimension door effect and other goodies...
Little help please!
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2012-11-04, 08:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mounted Sneak Attack?????
You can backstab someone with a ballista, why shouldn't you be able to do so while mounted (or with a mount as well)?
Seriously talking, there isn't any clause in the SA's description about mounted and/or charging sneak attacks. This means that you can charge a foe while mounted and do sneak attacks as soon as you deny his Dex bonus to AC or flank him.
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2012-11-04, 09:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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I didn't think there was either but I'm not as rules savvy as some around here so wanted to see what others thought.
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2012-11-04, 09:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mounted Sneak Attack?????
Using Shadow Pounce doesn't require the use of your mount. It works whenever you use a [teleportation] effect. While they do get Shadow Walk (Sp) as a SLA 1/day, this isn't the only way to trigger Shadow Pounce. Notably, the Shadow Jaunt/Shadow Step/Shadow Blink maneuvers from Tome of Battle can be used to create a "Shadow-Pouncer". Use all three, and you can get three full attacks into the same round. Add some Glyph Seals (1000 GP, Magic Item Compendium) keyed your pockets with the dimension hop spell, and you can keep doing it as a free action until you run out of Glyph Seals.
You can do something similar without Shadow Pounce by teleporting 10' above your opponent's head to activate the Battle Jump feat (from Unapproachable East) and get a charge attack. Add Pounce (Spirit Lion Totem Barbarian to turn that into a full attack. Other ways to teleport:
dimension hop power (Complete Psionic, swift action)
blink shirt soulmeld (Magic of Incarnum, standard or move action)
abrupt jaunt ACF (PHBII)
anklets of translocation (1400 GP, MIC, swift action)
bolt shirt (5000 GP, MIC, move action)
The only other PrC that offers Shadow Pounce is Telfammer Shadowlord 4 (from Unapproachable East), but the entry requirements are more obtuse. Crinti Shadow Marauder actually is easier to get into and requires less feats.
Hmmm... small-sized rider + blink dog mount + ring of blinking + Pierce Magical Concealment lets you and your mount attack as if you were invisible.Handbooks:
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2012-11-04, 09:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-04, 10:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Like the mount, Halfling isn't really necessary. Small size was just because the blink dog is medium. Presumably, if you could enlarge the blink dog, you could be medium-sized and do the synchronized ring of blinking thing.
ToB isn't entirely necessary, either. You could do:
Race: Drow or Half-Drow
Totemist 5/Crinti Shadow Marauder 5
That gets you a standard-action teleport and a move-action teleport. You can add a swift-action teleport via items (e.g., Anklet of Translocation).Handbooks:
Shax's Indispensable Haversack, TWF OffHandbook
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2012-11-04, 10:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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ok, sorry if I'm being stupid, but how does totemist 5 work? not to mention it skips out on any form of sneak attack...
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2012-11-04, 10:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Guys... Guys... I like shadow pounce too.
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Sorry... actually, Totemist 2 is all you need. With the Blink Shirt soulmeld linked to your Totem chakra, you can dimension door at will either as a standard action or a move action. Not quite sure if you can do both in the same round... (there's a "no further actions" clause in there somewhere).
Totemist 2/Rogue 3/Crinti Shadow Marauder 5/Umbral Disciple 10 would work better. This gives you 5d6 sneak attack, at-will dimension door, and always-on hide-in-plain-sight.
Magic of Incarnum can be confusing to explain, though... sounds like it might be a tough sell to either you or your DM.Handbooks:
Shax's Indispensable Haversack, TWF OffHandbook
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2012-11-04, 11:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Warlock 6 has at will teleportation and can grab hide in plain sight at lv 1 with drow of the underdark feats
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2012-11-04, 11:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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MoI is a book that I bought years ago but never fully read...
although i have no idea what umbral disciple is...
warlock was looked at and ruled out within my debate team IRL as it would take to long to get to.
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2012-11-04, 11:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Keep in mind that both Totemist and Warlocks option use Dimension Door. Your turn will end after you use the abilities.
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Re: Mounted Sneak Attack?????
You can sneak attack...
...with a greatsword
or
...while mounted
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...with a lance
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...with a siege weapon
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...in heavy armor
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...while charging
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...while pounce-charging
or TONS of things. Sneak Attack is not a guy in light armor attacking with a dagger from hiding, you know?Last edited by Gavinfoxx; 2012-11-04 at 11:51 AM.
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2012-11-04, 12:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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but you don't need the move after if you dim door within reach of them for the full attack... you dim door to within reach, sneak attack /sudden strike the crap out of them using your full attack gained from the ability and do it all over again next round...
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2012-11-04, 12:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-04, 12:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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why would you in the ability lets you take a full attack after any teleportation effect? as per the ability if I'm getting this right you can teleport in any way to within reach of something/one and full attack them.
Shadow Pounce (Ex): ... Any time she
uses an ability, spell, or effect with the teleportation descriptor
(for example, her shadow ride ability), she can execute a full
attack upon completion of the teleportation. The marauder
must have line of sight to her intended target from her original
location. Further, the spot to which she teleports must be a
place from which she can make a melee attack against the
intended target with whatever weapon she had in hand at the
beginning of her action.Originally Posted by shiningsouth
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2012-11-04, 12:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Snowbluff is talking about multiple teleports and therefore multiple full-attacks.
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2012-11-04, 01:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Why would I do that? I'm not trying to break the ability here, just trying to make something fun and effective.
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im the only one in my group that reads the forums, so i know what "broken" and "powerful" are, but i still refuse to use those tricks to any level of that cheesyness.
I just like to have fun playing silly/fun things that have a few tricks like the odd full attack after a teleport. yes, that is a powerful ability but at the same time its no less powerful then a power attacker smashing face for 70+ a hit on a full attack or single attack.
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2012-11-05, 09:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Mounted Sneak Attack?????
he could just flank...