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2014-02-18, 09:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
So, Durkon and Durkula are distinct entities after all. Definitely like that he serves Hel. Glad she's getting more screentime than as the silly one-panel joke (which, in retrospect, was a brilliant way to introduce her character such that we just accepted her as part of the strip's universe).
Also, did Durkula exist before the Malack fight? Since the Durkon we all know and love is in there, helpless but apparently uncorrupted, I find myself wondering about the metaphysics involved. Was Durkula some entity of Hel that was granted access to the world when a new Dwarven vampire came into existence? (The "birthed in my hall" line would seem to support this.) Is he something that formed around Durkon as part of the vampirization process? (Which might make Hel's language here a bit more figurative.)
Also, this recolors my view on Malack's line about "Raising me is just a complicated way of destroying the person I am now." Was the living Lizardfolk's mind/spirit still... in existence? Or had 200 years of servitude finally worn it away until only the vampire remained? Did he finally get to go to the afterlife he deserved?
Hoping very much we get some more information on these questions in the next arc.
Also, very interested to see what angle Hel's going to play in the whole Gate nonsense. She seems to have her own ideas about how that should play out.
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2014-02-18, 09:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
The character growth could come about as Durkon comes to grips with what 'he' did as Durkula, you know.
Lots and lots of room for drama and hijinks there.
Or, indeed, Durkon trying to 'break free'.
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2014-02-18, 09:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
*sees new strip title* Oh, we're going to see more of the inside of the Rift, I guess?
*sees name of news update before clicking on the new strip* Ohhhh!
*reads new strip* Oh. Oh damn.
Told you this was going to come back to bite Roy.
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2014-02-18, 09:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
Staking the vampire is a prerequisite to raising Durkon. Resurrection doesn't work on undead; the undead must be destroyed first. Staking is the only standard way to destroy a vampire that doesn't also destroy the remains. Resurrection without remains means True Resurrection, which ups the level of the friendly cleric they need to find significantly.
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Incidental, wild speculation: Maybe Hilgya will be the one to raise real-Durkon?I have decided I no longer like my old signature, so from now on, the alphorn-wielding lobster yodeler in my profile pic shall be presented without elaboration.
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2014-02-18, 09:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
Ah, yes. Thank you for giving a voice to the part of me that didn't like this latest revelation. I was so dearly looking forward to seeing "Durkon, but evil", and instead we have "evil, but not Durkon". Hmph. Though I suppose there's still a chance of interesting character development for Durkon, but it'll probably take the form of angst and frustration.
I don't think anybody seriously thought that "Durkula was actually Durkon and hadn't changed at all". I, for one, thought that "Durkula" was actually Durkon, but had changed significantly. Please try to understand dissenters before ridiculing them.
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2014-02-18, 09:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
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2014-02-18, 09:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
My theory on OotS vampires: Western vampires and Northern vampires work differently. Malack, a western vampire, seemed to be under the impression that Durkon would be back to his old self once freed. If Malack were possessed by a foreign spirit and not actually himself, he would know from experience that Durkon wouldn't be the same person.
Therefore, Western vampires, who are under Nergal's portfolio, are the same person as their living selves. Northern/Dwarven vampires, who are under Hel's portfolio, are like Buffy vampires, possessed by an evil spirit.
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2014-02-18, 09:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
And once again, my powers of prediction have ultimately proven completely useless.
SpoilerDespite reassurances to the contrary earlier on, it seems the overseer of death, in this case, really is evil. I wonder if Malack's train of thought on the subject was widely shared, or if he was deluding himself to thinking it wasn't "evil".
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2014-02-18, 09:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-02-18, 09:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
Don't get too close,
it's dark inside.
It's where my Durkon hides!
It's where my Durkon hides!
Sorry, couldn't resist.Calling it now: Kilkil kills Belkar
Edit: WRONG!
Calling it now #2
SpoilerAfter the showdown at Girard's gate, the party will rush to Kraagor's gate to find it was in Durkon's home fortress-burrow-thing. They will complete the Prophasy, and Team Evil will come riding over the horizon slaughtering everything that gets in their way.
Not wrong quite yet!
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2014-02-18, 09:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
Wow. That was... unexpected to say the least.
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2014-02-18, 09:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
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2014-02-18, 09:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
All I can think to say is - -
44 DAYS UNTIL THE NEXT OOTS???!?!?
NOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOO!!!!!!
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2014-02-18, 09:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
No levelled malice
Infects one comma in the course I hold;
But flies an eagle flight, bold, and forth on,
Leaving no track behind.
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Psionic Tricks Handbook (WIP!)
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Oh, and you can just call me KA.
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2014-02-18, 10:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
Hel's domain is specific enough (Dwarves who died of non-liver diseases that they didn't acquire as a consequence of heroics) that calling her a "goddess of death" isn't especially accurate. Nergal appears to be a much more "generic" god of death, like Kelemvor from forgotten realms. Judge, not jury.
“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2014-02-18, 10:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
I didn't expect that he was going to be some silly buffy style vampire is all. Not that I'm expecting it to be all lame and boring like buffy vampires this is ORder of the Stick and not Buffy, after all.
The thought that kept running through my head was that Durkon turned evil because he thought vampires were automatically evil. It was either that or this honestly, since I can't really stand the thought of "Vampires just become evil for no reason."
and I thought the first because I thought this was supposed to be character development for Durkon, but I guess that's going to come later.
This also raises the question of why Malack even considered there to be a true connection between himself and that "ignorant barbarian shaman" at all, since he's not even the same soul if this applies to all vampires. The way he spoke sounded as if he were a 90 year old describing himself at five years old. This proves Durkula isn't Durkon, but it raises a lot more questions than it answered.
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2014-02-18, 10:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
I had hoped. But now I suspect Belkar's the dwarven homeland's only hope.
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2014-02-18, 10:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
This answers the question I had about where Durkula was getting his spells. I figured Thor wouldn't be providing the spells any longer .... to an undead vampire anyways. But, I wanted Durkula to be Durkon so badly. But I guess the speech Redcloak gave Tsukiko in #830 said it all. The undead aren't people anymore....bits of skin and bone and dark energy.
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2014-02-18, 10:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
so... im assuming that the theory that durkon is going to get raised from vampire form and then go to the dwarf homelands to live happily ever after has already been said?
also while im here, has oots been updated to pathfinder? cuz i dont remember cantrips in d&d
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2014-02-18, 10:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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DAMN. First of all, I never expected any of the other Northern Gods to get involved. . .
THANK YOU for the twist, O Might Giant! I was waiting and waiting for something just like this! I'm gonna be shaking for the next month and a half, worrying about Durkon. I feel so bad for him!
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2014-02-18, 10:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
*looks over at Twitter*
Damn, it's blowing up over there right now. I've never seen this amount of reponses nor so quickly on one of his tweets.
They're almost as GAHGAHAGHGAH as we are.
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2014-02-18, 10:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
Nice minor detail: Julio flying off into the sunset on a flying carpet in the distance on the first panel.
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2014-02-18, 10:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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“Evil is evil. Lesser, greater, middling, it's all the same. Proportions are negotiated, boundaries blurred. I'm not a pious hermit, I haven't done only good in my life. But if I'm to choose between one evil and another, then I prefer not to choose at all.”
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2014-02-18, 10:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
And only a beautiful priestess of Loki bearing their infant child can give Durkon the inner will to break free.
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2014-02-18, 10:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2014-02-18, 10:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
Wow
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I just want to say, this book has been an amazing one, possibly my favorite so far. The art, the characters, the jokes, all of it was great. Thank you so much, Giant.
Now, as for the actual strip. No one has mention this yet, but I think that it is interesting how Vaarsuvius is Wormhole-proofing the Mechane. I feel sorry for Roy, trying to recover from the harrowing events of today. And,
Holy cow, what happened to Durkon!
Well, it looks like I was wrong. However, the last panel makes me feel like there is still hope! Go Durkon!
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2014-02-18, 10:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
Dammit, wrong on another vampire theory.
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2014-02-18, 10:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
Skimmed the five pages, apologies if I missed it in all the Durkon spec, but what is that thing in the top right corner of frame 1? It looks like the Snarl, but it is high up in the air. Is the Azure breach, if it happened there too, that big to be visible from this far?
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2014-02-18, 10:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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Buffyverse it is, then.
But the Buffy camp still had no damn proof
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2014-02-18, 10:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #946 - The Discussion Thread
Exactly, I think Malack and Durkula are different types of vampire, since Durkula seems fully aware that Durkon is still there, whereas Malack seemed to think Durkon would be the same or similar person afterwards, which he would not think if he knew that he kept the lizardtribesman in servitude.
That's not *really* that long
*ducks and hides*
Anyways, great strip!
Have a wonderful vacation!
I wonder if the high priest of Thor will have a confrontation with Durkula and know it's not Durkon? That's going to be my wild theory
Either that, or I'm calling Belkar kills Durkula to pay back the debt he owes Durkon for him dying to save him, and may die in the process (although Durkon would probably revive him- unless Belkar gets completely vaporised)
I wonder if Belkars alignment will eventually change?"We can curse it or nurse it and give it a name"
"And you run and you run to catch up with the sun but it's sinking
Racing around to come up behind you again.
The sun is the same in a relative way but you're older,
Shorter of breath and one day closer to death."