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Thread: Spellstitched Undead are LA:-
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Spellstitched Undead are LA:-
Originally Posted by MMII Update Booklet
Thought I'd mention it since I see a lot of people recommend it.
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Re: Spellstitched Undead are LA:-
AFB so can't confirm LA- but Libris Mortis has the latest revision of spellstitched not the update booklet for MMII so you should be referencing that...
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Re: Spellstitched Undead are LA:-
Common misconception actually, the 3.5 version of spellstitched is in Complete Arcane. LM merely references it in a table, the MMII version specifically, although that's purely because CA came out a month after LM.
The sample Spellstitched in CA has a LA: -, but so does the base Ghast, so that's nothing to go by. The template itself has no LA entry, just a CR one.
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Re: Spellstitched Undead are LA:-
The definition of level adjustment in the glossary describes how the presence of such an entry in a statblock (when it's a number instead of -) means the creature is available as an option to players:
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Re: Spellstitched Undead are LA:-
Except thats for monsters not templates.
Templates have the clause "Generally, if a template does not cause a change to a certain statistic, that entry is missing from the template description. For clarity, the entry for a statistic or attribute that is not changed is sometimes given as "Same as the base creature.""
So if a template doesn't have an LA entry it defaults to effectively "Same as base creature" or +0.
And as Jowgen pointed out the ghast has an LA of - so even a ghast with a template that specifically has a LA would still have LA of -.Awesome Avatar by Derjuin
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Re: Spellstitched Undead are LA:-
Huh, it seems you're right. The update was addressing the ghast, not the template.
Since CA is the most recent printing it is the one we use, and since it doesn't have an LA entry, as Silva Stormrage and torrasque666 said it defaults to "Same as base creature".
Nevermind! Sorry for the false alarm. >.<
I thought the template gave bonuses to those skills and wasn't talking about the Ghast since it says re-apply the template.Last edited by RoboEmperor; 2019-02-14 at 03:43 PM.
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Re: Spellstitched Undead are LA:-
Two common schools of thought (and both have some RAW support):
1. No listed LA effectively equals LA +0 (many 3.0 templates had no listed LA; less common in 3.5, but it still happens - Unseelie fey, I'm looking at you!).
2. No listed LA effectively equals LA --, and is not usable by PCs.
Either way, check with your DM. Unless you want every PC to be running around with the Paragon Creature template for free, I'd lean towards option 2 (although I have a nagging feeling Paragon got a listed LA somewhere?).My winning competition entries: Kinvig Arrumskor | The Great Pumpkinhead | Wynfrith d'Acker
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Originally Posted by Complete Arcane p.161
1. Spellstitched Undead costs only 1000gp
2. You don't need to know the spells to be stitched. You only need to be of sufficient level.
This is pretty amazing on sorcerers who can spellstitch themselves.
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Re: Spellstitched Undead are LA:-
Templates in 3.0 didn't have listed LA because LA wasn't a thing until the 3.5 update. You can see in the Monster Manual v3.0 (or the 3.0 SRD, none of the templates have level adjustments. Would be pretty weird if they had a value for a mechanic that didn't exist at the time.
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Re: Spellstitched Undead are LA:-
No, LA is a thing is 3.25, stuff that is near the release of 3.5 like Savage Species.
However, most 3.0 stuff does not have LA.
The only other 3.0 book (other than Forgotten Realms Books) with Level Adjustment is Fiend Folio, If I Recall Correctly.
Edit: The definition of LA says that the absence of LA means the LA is so large the ECL is more than 20 ( aka at least 21 ). It could be higher.Last edited by HouseRules; 2019-02-16 at 08:41 AM.
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