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Thread: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
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2019-05-09, 11:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
I know this forum is populated by dinosaurs who love the outdated format, but I really wish we could switch to xenforo.
Conversely, a person who is drunker than he thinks might not like you very much. So its better and worse.
There is one time exactly where the spiked-with-vodka thing is exactly, mechanically comparable. With deception opposed by insight. Alcohol would impose disadvantage on insight, charm person gives advantage on deception. Its nearly exactly comparable.
But yeah, based off of the discussion here (which has been very great.) I would typically regard a person effected by this spell as having their base attitude improved by several increments, and then have those increments reversed when the spell wears off, but doubled.
So if we reduce hostile, friendly, etc. to a numerical scale from -3 to +3, it goes something like this:
George hates Greg (attitude -3). Greg charms him. (attitude +1) they chat for a bit, and Greg improves his attitude by one (+2) George does a thing. Then the spell wears off and his attitude goes down by the amount it went up before, but double. (-8, going down to -3, which is the basement here.)
Jane is Greg's good friend (attitude +2). Greg charms her. (attitude +2) the spell wears off. Nothing happens.
Lisa has never met Greg before. (attitude +0) Greg charms her. (attitude +1) He chats her up, improving her attitude. (attitude +2) The spell wears off. Lisa feels betrayed, but this is countered by the pleasant hour they spent. (attitude +0)Make Martials CoolAgain.
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2019-05-09, 11:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
Another approach:
Let's imagine a scenario where Ella didn't use Charm Person beforehand, but seeing that she couldn't convince James, decided to use Modify Memory to make him remember a perfectly charming conversation after which he agreed to date Ella.
In both this case and the one where he is charmed, James has no control over what he feels about the situation, and his perception of the events was altered to match Ella's desires.
What makes Charm Person better than Modify Memory, when used in that context?
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2019-05-09, 11:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
I don't think anyone's said anything which would meaningfully separate charm person from spiking somebody's drink. Both leave you with the possibility of saying no, both can be broken if the caster/spiker pushes it too hard, and both affect your perception of a person positively.
Spiking a drink, especially with the goal of coercion, is illegal in many countries and looked down on with disgust, for good reasons.
Personally if I was johnny farmer and I was charmed into doing something I didn't want to do I'd try and rustle up a lynch mob immediately.
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2019-05-09, 11:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
I have trouble envisioning any social situation when charm person is good in the long run, because the target always knows afterward. And while the player might think they just used it to open the door, as it were, the target can never be sure what is them and what you forced on them. Starting a potential romantic relationship by not giving the other party a fair option does not bode well, and they know you forced their hand. You could trade a good deal with a shop keep for his guild marking you on their blacklist. mess with the guards mind to try to convince them to let you go, but then what? They know you messed with them to get it to happen, it's going to make it worse in the long run. Strong relationships tend to be built on trust, a first step of messing with the other party's mind is a poor foundation for a relationship ship what ever the temporary results or reasons. I don't know that most people would resort to torches and pitchforks over it, I think more urban societies would censor, blacklist, and/or fine the offender depending on world magic levels and local laws. It would probably start to make the person a social outcast depending on how much they used it, or start giving them a bad reputation. More rural places or superstitious communities might drive the offenders out, or call their local lord, probably happy if the person left.
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2019-05-09, 11:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
Modify memory doesn't go away, and in the false memories, the person is truly powerless.
If you break the modification immediately after an hour is up and restrict yourself to a single hours worth of memories... It'd still be worse, and likely not as effective, because you determined their actions for that whole time period.
Like, "I remember that you seemed really nice when you first walked up, but I know now that's magic,"
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"I remember saying hi and walking over and flirting, buying you a drink... But that's not something I'd do. That's not me at all. I'm married, I don't flirt like that."
This is explicitly a drawback of modify memory, and also one of the reasons modify memory is so horrifying. With all these restrictions, it'd be much less bad than normally, but still worse than charm person.Make Martials CoolAgain.
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2019-05-09, 12:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
You're introducing an outside factor that makes the situation different, here.
I was not talking about making someone remember things they wouldn't do with a friendly acquaintance.
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Situation 1: Ella casts Charm Person on James, then tries to ask him out on a date. Despite her normal awkwardness and lack of social skills, he is forced to see her as a friendly acquaintance, and in consequence strikes a friendly conversation with her and agree to go on a date with her.
Situation 2: Ella tries to ask James out on a date. Due to her awkwardness and lack of social skills, he refuses. Ella then casts Modify Memory on him so he remembers striking a friendly conversation with her and agreeing to go on a date with her.
Is Situation 2 worse only because those memories were permanently modified while Charm Person is temporary? Would the two be equivalent if Modify Memory only lasted one hour?
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2019-05-09, 12:36 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
Not too different.
I mean, either way when it wears off, James is going to be upset. Exactly how upset depends on the rest of what happened.
I'm mostly just objecting to the "always a lynch mob, accept no substitutes" school of thought.
To use my metric James starts at +0, gets improved to +1 by a spell, and then reverts to either -1 if if nothing desirable (from his uninhibited perspective) occurred or just a flat +0 if something desirable did occur.
In other words, if he did want the date, he'll be less upset.
Either way, Ella probably should not do this and this indicates that she's a woman of loose morality. James would probably be within his rights to report her to the officials of the law.Last edited by strangebloke; 2019-05-09 at 12:55 PM.
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2019-05-09, 12:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
I think it's fair to say that though the level of response will vary, but it will almost always be negative.
In places like Waterdeep, with a functional government and police force, raising a lynch mob would be unlikely. But, a merchant who you ripped off, for example, has a lot of ways to mess up your life. I would imagine if a respected member in good standing of a guild testified to the appropriate guild governing organization that a PC used Charm Person on her, the party would very quickly find themselves barred from inns, taverns and shops in the city in question.
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2019-05-09, 12:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
I kind of picture it like meeting your ex that you can't resist when they want something.
Away from them you get mad that they took advantage of you, again, but the next time they come around needing something and flash that smile you cave against your own better judgment, and when they leave you kick yourself, again.
Sure you know they took advantage of you, they charmed you into doing something you really probably shouldn't have, and you are mad about it, but you may not know they cast a magic spell on you.
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2019-05-09, 12:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
Oh yeah, its certainly going to be illegal. The trick is getting the enforcer of the law to care. At the city/regional level, there's not likely going to be a unified response. At the local level, you could very well be small mob form.
But, like, the local lynch mob is a possible result to anything.
Charm person? That's a lynching.
Was seen doing rituals behind the tavern that seemed pretty spooky? That's a lynching.
Is a tiefling? That's a lynching.Last edited by strangebloke; 2019-05-09 at 01:00 PM.
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2019-05-09, 03:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
The trouble here is that you're exaggerating what*charm person*does.
Yes, if you've been magically made to...
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2019-05-09, 04:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
Its actually really good for that. Your situation is not what I described.
If I wanted a target to follow me to a place where my party is waiting to kill them charm person is the perfect spell, espesially if the target is aware that I am a threat to them. It is a great assassination tool. The biggest problem with picking a target off is getting them somewhere away from the watchful eyes of the authorities. I'd even go as far as saying that this is the best use of the spell.
Another great use is interrogation. Charm them, get the info, kill them.
Or robbing someone. If they regard you as a friendly aquantance for the duration of the spell, then they can't turn hostile when you take their possessions.
Charm Person is an awful spell for social encounters, and its not widely used. Its best as a nefarious spell. The kicker, that the target is aware after the spell passes, doesn't matter when they are dead.Last edited by sophontteks; 2019-05-09 at 04:04 PM.
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2019-05-09, 04:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-09, 04:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
Charm Person is essentially the magical equivalent to slipping a girl roofies so you can have sex with her.
I imagine there's plenty of bards who use charm person in just such a way. "Hey, she's hot, make a wisdom save!"
And, since roofies in the real world are a felony...
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2019-05-09, 05:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Again, it absolutely is not that.
Roofies render the victim helpless to resist.
Charm person quite specifically does not. The spell fails as soon as the caster attacks. In addition - and this is why I've harped so heavily on the point about not absolving you of choices made while charmed - it doesn't actually compell you to do anything the person asks you to. It only makes you more likely to if the fact that this person is a highly-persuasive friendly acquaintance is useful to getting you to do it, and they were either not highly persuasive or were not a friendly acquaintance without the spell.
So, if the girl sleeps with the bard who cast charm person on her, she would have slept with a friendly acquaintance with a silver tongue. She is not powerless to say "no." In fact, aside from using the spell to get her to give him the time of day, he'd have a roughly 15% lower chance to convince her to sleep with him without it.
She's not even "more drunk" than usual, let alone roofied. If she wouldn't sleep with a friendly acquaintance - which, I remind you, one can become over the course of a simple conversation if one hits it off well enough - then she wouldn't sleep with the bard, no matter that he used charm person on her.
To reiterate: the spell can't compell somebody in a way that makes them effectively helpless (at least, not in the terms we're discussing here, e.g. seduction/"slipping her a roofie"; the Dastardly example from earlier is a different case).
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2019-05-09, 05:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-09, 05:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
But she wouldn't have slept with the THIS bard, on THIS night, without the intervention of the spell. If THIS bard didn't think she would say no to him on THIS night, why is he casting the spell? She is not willingly having sex with THIS bard on THIS night because he has overridden her will and clouded her mind. If a barbarian came in, held her down, and raped her, it would be absolutely no defense to say that she regularly has sex with with total strangers.
She's not even "more drunk" than usual, let alone roofied. If she wouldn't sleep with a friendly acquaintance - which, I remind you, one can become over the course of a simple conversation if one hits it off well enough - then she wouldn't sleep with the bard, no matter that he used charm person on her.
And yes, one can become a friendly acquaintance over the course of a single conversation. But unlike with a Charm Person spell, one is not forced to become a friendly acquaintance. Virtually all of your arguments are predicated on ignoring this difference.
You also ignore that the Charm Person spell does make her more likely to sleep with the spell caster than she would with an ordinary friendly acquaintance.
Two simple questions.
1. What gives the caster the right to cast any spell on an unwilling target?
2. What gives the caster the right to determine that the target should view the caster as a friendly acquaintance for an hour?
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2019-05-09, 06:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2019-05-09, 07:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
I think the smarmaggedon spell is the perfect example of how charm person is more evil. If Dastardly casts smarmageddon on Jane the paladin, what he's going to learn is that the way to make her like him is to stop killing her partner. There's some bizarre confusion about how powerful talking to a person can be. If you are in the process of murdering someone's best friend, there is literally nothing you can say to them that will make them friendly to you while you do that. Even if you could literally read their mind to find the most effective words to use, the only thing you will learn is that you need to stop killing their friend if you want them to like you.
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2019-05-09, 07:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
I haven't read everything in the whole thread, but still felt like throwing in my 2 cents on just this in particular.
smarmageddon would make you appear better to my fair judgement.
Charm person attacks my mind to cut my ability to make a fair judgement.
Even if they end up being mechanically similar, even if they let someone accomplish similar things, the method of doing so is still enough for one to be acceptable (if not scummy, but kind of in a "dating profile picture that's out of date" kind of way) and the other still evil.
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2019-05-10, 11:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
You have used this argument several times in this thread to mitigate the culpability of a person who casts Charm Person on a stranger; but does it really mitigate culpability?
Cain wants to sleep with Ella, but he is awkward around women. His friend Abel, however, is charismatic.
Abel spends the evening chatting up Ella, and Eventually, they slip away to a darkened room. Before slipping into the room, Cain (with Abel’s knowledge) switches places with Abel. Cain and Abel have similar builds.
Ella was willing to sleep with Abel, who she knew. She was not willing to sleep with Cain, who was a stranger to her. In real life, this is called rape by deception, and it is a crime.
Charm person allows a stranger to be treated as a friendly acquaintance. In what way is this meaningfully different from the scenario described?
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2019-05-10, 11:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'd be real careful with this line of argument, Justin. As we can see from the puzzlingly vehement reactions to Segev, people have this weird dualist tulpa that they're projecting onto D&D. It's why using magic to buff your Persuasion check from an average of 15 to an average of 25 is viewed as okay but using charm person is not.
It has nothing to do with neurological interaction, it's solely because people have (or rather, assume) an idea of self that's separate from biology.
Interesting enough, you can see this disjunction in agency with the Guidance spell. If your Divine Soul sorcerer reveals after they signed the treaty that they used Disguise Self to make themselves look prettier than they really do, fewer people would react negatively than if they used Subtle Spell to cast Guidance during key points in negotiation.
The debate is interesting, in a 'we have so many unexamined assumptions about human agency that we project onto D&D' sort of way.
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2019-05-10, 12:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
For sure, that's a powerful usage of the spell. But to be clear, you probably aren't casting this spell, which has verbal and somatic components unless you've already got them alone. And once again its context dependent. If the person is afraid of you, and then they're charmed, they'll have a proportionally worse reaction when the charm expires.
To go back to my example, a person who is afraid of you would go from -1 to +1 when charmed, and then to -3 when the charm expired. With a -3 they'd be fully hostile to you and would try to get back at you in whatever way they realistically can.
First of all, I think we're all in agreement that Charm Person is likely criminal in nearly every city where there are laws about such things.
Secondly, I'd say that this a good argument and I'd mostly agree with it. It's not completely analogous. In point of fact, there's no actual deception going on. They still know who you are and whatever they might otherwise know about you. Still, its close enough. However, I think Segev is merely trying to answer the idea some people seem to have that casting charm person is a mind control effect where you're completely removing the other's ability to refuse you.
Instead, its an impairment of judgement. It elevates your base level of friendship and makes you on average about 15% more persuasive, but it isn't anything crazy.
Roughly speaking I would say its analogous to buying someone a screwdriver, but making it like three times as alcoholic as they expect in an effort to drink them under the table. Its certainly very skeevy and a lot of people would be pissed and depending on the circumstance you might have the law banging down your door...
And once again, I'm not saying that casting charm person in such a way is anything other than morally reprehensible. Most usages of most enchantment effects are pretty bad, honestly. I'm just talking about how people might react in different circumstances.Make Martials CoolAgain.
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2019-05-10, 12:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
Why would you need to be deceptive when you are already using a mind control spell?
They still know who you are and whatever they might otherwise know about you.
Still, its close enough. However, I think Segev is merely trying to answer the idea some people seem to have that casting charm person is a mind control effect where you're completely removing the other's ability to refuse you.
Instead, its an impairment of judgement. It elevates your base level of friendship and makes you on average about 15% more persuasive, but it isn't anything crazy.
Originally Posted by Deathtongue
Plus, his examples are terrible. Raise Dead requires a willing soul.
It has nothing to do with neurological interaction, it's solely because people have (or rather, assume) an idea of self that's separate from biology.
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2019-05-10, 12:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
Except, the spell caster wasn't one of the woman's friendly acquaintances. But for her being subjected to the Charm Person spell, she wouldn't have considered sleeping with this stranger.
This position you're taking is really creepy when it comes to the question of consent. Following this argument to its natural conclusion, there's nothing wrong with a Doppelganger impersonating someone's spouse in order to have sex with them, since that's something they were willing to do anyway.
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2019-05-10, 01:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by Strangebloke
If you and a close friend have had some fights lately and both want to enjoy your one day together this week, a mutual casting of charm person might make things start out smoother, for instance.
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2019-05-10, 01:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
You are a man and you think like a man. You obviously never have had to worry about a woman (or man) wanting to rape you.
I'd say, romance is the field where it is least likely to "pull off" manipulation. As a woman, I run for the hills when I notice a man is trying to use any fancy psychology manipulation on me. Trying to trick me into drinking alcohol? Even worse.
A spell? I'd probably want to gather a lynchmob or call local law enforcement, depending on what's available. Definitely not consider giving him another shot. Someone who doesn't respect my free will is far too dangerous to associate with, and a man who is sexually interested in me and disregards my free will? Probably a rapist.
And I think a DnD PC would react quite a lot more like a woman in the real world than like a man, considering that, while sexual violence may not be a concern, being robbed, murdered,or tied to an altar to be sacrificed to a demon happens a lot more often to PCs than it does to the average person in the real world. It is very unlikely, at least from the experience of a player character, that someone who uses charm person on them does not have a nefarious plan.
@Unoriginal: Badly chosen example. Why would Ella cast "Charm Person" on James if she likes him?
As a very socially awkward woman with zero social skills, I can report that I have had a 100% success rate with asking men I was interested in on dates. Without any spellcasting. Being socially awkward, I wouldn't ever ask out someone I don't know, and people I do know well enough to trust them to want to date ... well, they are already friendly acquaintances.
I dislike this "but what about the socially awkward!" arguing that is often thrown around when it comes to disregarding other people's free will. Social awkwardness does not justify the use of coercion. In fact, people who would use coercion to get others to spend time with them aren't socially awkward, they are creepy.
Why would Ella even want to date James if he hadn't shown her enough kindness to make it seem likely he'd agree without the use of a spell?
I can only repeat what I wrote before: In a world where people know exactly what this spell does, they might tolerate it if it is used to prevent greater harm, but only then.
And I certainly cannot imagine it would be tolerated in a romantic situation. Not by women, anyways.
@Hail Tempus: I absolutely agree.
And anyone who would willingly impersonate a friendly acquaintance (in a situation where there isn't any lack of time) must have something seriously wrong with him - any normal person's course of action would be to just try and become a friendly acquaintance. It is not that difficult - unless of course you just murdered the other person's family or something like that.
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2019-05-10, 01:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
Ah, but let's say Cain just tells her that he's a millionaire, and that the mansion he's taking her to is his. In reality, the mansion is his brother, Abel's. Cain's just allowed to stay there for hookups, because Abel is a wingman like that.
Here, he's lied to Ella to get her to sleep with him, but I don't think that qualifies as rape by deception anymore. Unless you can point to literally any lie told during the course of pre-coital interactions to qualify as "rape."
To make it even less skeevy (ignoring whether one night stands can be anything but skeevy), let's say Cain is bald. He knows that Ella has rejected every bald suitor; he watched her flirt a bit with two guys with hair and utterly, coldly reject three bald guys, just while he was working up the courage to approach her. Dejected, he laments his fate of being bald to his twin brother, Abel. Who is also bald, but has worn a very convincing toupe for years. Abel, being a bro, gives Cain his backup toupe (kept clean and fresh in case anything happens to the one he's wearing).
Cain walks up and flirts with Ella, who finds him very charming now that he's confident his brother's "magic" (not really, just how he thinks of it) toupe will help him break the ice. One thing leads to another, and before too long, they're turning off the lights in the bedroom and stripping down. By the time the toupe comes off, Ella is too distracted and the lights too dim to notice.
Has Cain raped her? She certainly never would have given him the time of day, let alone slept with him, if he'd let her know he was bald.
Cain is a half-orc who has lived amongst humans his whole life, and has taken great pains to disguise his non-human heritage. He's actually pretty charming even for a full-fledged human, even if he's not the most charismatic human in the world. (Trained in various Cha-skills, has a Cha of 14 or even 16.) With his Disguise check that he makes every morning, and very careful grooming, and having had his tusks pulled in a fit of self-loathing as a young pubsecent, he manages to pass as a particularly rugged and buff human male.
Ella has a passionate hatred for orcs and all their get. However, she does have a thing for big, strong men. She's just convinced that orcs and their get are universally repugnant rapists who would use and abuse her if she let herself be alone with them. She meets Cain, who is charming and suave, or at least reasonably so, and he's her type. He never tells her he's half-orcish, and even agrees with her slurs against orcs if she brings any up (because he also finds orcs repulsive and hatable, and tries desperately not to live down to that side of his blood). They have sex together, and the next morning, she finds out from his vicious rival that Cain is a half-orc.
She never, ever would have slept with him except for his lie of omission. Did he rape her?
Ella has an absolute passion for a particular rare flower, loving everything about it from the smell to the color. Cain learns this, and arranges a suit in that color and cologne in that scent, and puts one of those flowers in his lapel. When he sits down next to her at the bar, this immediately gets her attention, and he's able to strike up a conversation with her on the subject. He doesn't lie, or feign more interest than he has, but he takes full advantage of her temptation to lean in and sniff him to get her to agree to dance, and to spend time with him, and to make her more likely to want to listen to him when he plies her seductively.
When Cain no longer smells of the cologne after the shower the next morning, and she finds him to be a little less enchanting, and she realizes it was his use of her favorite flower in myriad subtle ways that made him so interesting in the first place, should she hate him? Especially if, over the course of remembering the evening, she can think of more things that she enjoyed in his company, that had little to do with the flower?
In each of these cases, he's engaged in some form of deception. The middle two were arguably no more deceptive than a member of a biker gang who typically showers once a year whether he needs it or not deciding to shave, shower, and dress in a tux for a date taking a debutant to an opera. I doubt most people would find any but the "pretending to be rich" angle to be particularly skeevy, assuming they don't find looking for a hookup skeevy in the first place. Heck, the last one, I'm not sure is deceptive. But it's certainly very akin to charm person, in that it influences Ella and only Ella to be more prone to give her attention and interest to Cain.
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2019-05-10, 01:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
That sure is a lot of words to not answer the question. You seem to have a problem with answering simple questions.
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Re: Proper Reaction to Charm Person.
You're quite right; I've never been in that position. I will also assert that charm person wouldn't enable anybody to rape me. I wouldn't have sex with a "friendly acquaintance." I wouldn't have sex with my best friend if we weren't husband and wife. (I do hope, one day, to find a woman to be best friends with, fall passionately in love with, and marry, but I sadly doubt that will ever happen at this point.)
And anything I can think of that a friendly acquaintance could get me to do for them, I wouldn't regret doing for a stranger. I might be annoyed, but it simply wouldn't be bad enough that I'd be so much as ranting about it, let alone call the cops or organize a lynch mob.
What if their idea of "fancy psychology" is finding out what you're interested in and brushing up on the subject as an ice-breaker? They're not going to lie about their interest level, just try to be able to have a reasonable conversation on the subject with you as a segue to getting to know you better.
I mean, I get it, there are guys who think they're "pick-up artists" who have all these weird ideas about how to mainpulate women, and I'm not even going to discuss their techniques or the (lack of) ethics involved in them. For one thing, I don't know enough about it to have a coherent conversation. I just question whether this is really a parallel to something that only makes you regard the caster as "a friendly acquaintance."
Also not equivalent, as I've repeatedly pointed out.
You're once again presuming the conclusion, here. You're not demonstrating that he can get you to do anything that is against your will. You're asserting that it must be, because you don't have a "choice" whether to like him or not. I assert that you have as little choice with Don Juan as you do with Elam (Ella's twin brother who also uses charm person). Save that, at the end of the hour, you can at least put your finger on what you found so Charming about Elam.
React this way to the prospect of it being cast in the future? Sure. Though again, at worst, it makes you unable to attack the guy; it doesn't compell you to even trust that he won't turn on you.
Thor repeatedly treats Loki as a friendly acquaintance, particularly notably in Ragnarok. But note how he doesn't give his friendly acquiantance of an adopted brother a chance to backstab him.
Anecdotal. I know women for whom that is not the case.
"Disregarding free will" and "coersion" are both under contention. I dispute that either are happening (With the exception of the inability for the subject to attack the caster.)
Maybe she thinks he's cute, doesn't know anybody around here, is afraid that she might be raped if she's misjudged his character, and doesn't know how to break the ice with somebody she doesn't know. It's noteworthy that, in the case of "Ella is afraid of being raped but doesn't want to let that stop her from ever TRYING," charm person's protections against being attacked are actually a potential motivation for using it all by itself.
Ella never has to fear a blind date turning violent because they can't attack her. If they're gentlemen who would never do so, it never comes up and the effect is never revealed. Well, save for knowing she used the spell when it wears off.
I don't think any man who believes it to be what you believe it to be would tolerate it, either.
It's not impersonation. They aren't claiming to be anybody but who they are.
That said, if you can honestly say it's not that hard? You're not as socially awkward as you think you are.