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2022-08-19, 01:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-08-19, 11:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIX - Nobody Cares about that Stuff Anymore
I have a question about V's intelligence. It says they probably have a +4 headband because of being able to cast 4 level 6 spells at 11th level, except, how exactly does that make sense? The panel linked for that source is also them casting 2 7th level spells, which doesn't seem to be right also.
What I mean, is at 11th level, at base, they could cast 1 6th level spell, getting another for school specialization. From intelligence of 22, which is what the headband plus base 18 int seems to imply, they would get another 1 spell per day...
That adds up to 3 spells, where is the 4th coming from? If it isn't from a pearl of power, then V would need an int of 30. Does that mean V was level 12 at the time? Which is probably the much more reasonable answer than them having an additional 8 intelligence from somewhere. (level bonus (+1) (+1) at 4th and 8th, (+2) from a +6 headband rather than +4, and a book of int gain (+4) could explain that, but an increased level is also very viable.)
Edit: Reviewing the archives, I think I know what's going on. Firstly, the claim that they cast 4 level 6 spells at level 11 is just wrong. I read all between level 11 and 12, and the most they cast was two disintegrations. Disintegration, is a transmutation spell, so it can't be the specialization slot. Therefore V had a minimum *3* spell slots, 1 base, 1 specialization, 1 from int, which would match up with the claim of 22-24 int being made. So it was a typo, also referencing the incorrect page for that particular source.
Here is the correct link https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots0186.htmlLast edited by mehs; 2022-08-19 at 12:16 PM.
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2022-08-21, 12:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-08-21, 12:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIX - Nobody Cares about that Stuff Anymore
https://www.giantitp.com/comics/oots1212.html
During the "negotiation" with Durkon.
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2022-08-21, 01:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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OK, so that confirms he's definitely used Substitute Domain at some point, as he's used 3 different spells which are domain-slot-only for Clerics (Hold Monster, Disintegrate, Unholy Blight). I suppose it does at least confirm that The Dark One can offer the Evil, Law, and Destruction domains.
I think you may be missing something here. In the last panel of #625, V casts Disintegrate at the imp, then casts it three more times in the next strip, but the error in the listing is that V was already level 13 by then, as demonstrated here, when V used Grasping Hand in the first panel, a 7th level spell.
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2022-08-22, 06:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIX - Nobody Cares about that Stuff Anymore
Is it just me or has traffic to this thread gone down significantly since its current title?
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Mind control spell (used on MITD), rock drawing spellLast edited by Kurald Galain; 2022-08-28 at 03:45 AM.
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2022-08-22, 08:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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To be entirely honest, there haven’t been a lot of relevations since.
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2022-08-22, 08:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Guide to the Magus, the Pathfinder Gish class.
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2022-08-22, 08:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-08-22, 10:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIX - Nobody Cares about that Stuff Anymore
Look at it this way: you've gotten nearly two-and-a-half times as many posts as the Index of the Giant's Comments has in the same timeframe, and we've had a baker's dozen revelations. So I ask, which kind of stuff would you guess is closer to "nobody cares about"?
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The Index of the Giant's Comments VI―Making Dogma from Zapped Bananas
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2022-08-22, 12:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-08-23, 08:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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I have had exactly that thought many times. If you want to take this overly seriously (and, hello, what thread is this again? of course I do!), I think the mechanism here is that Rich has taken another step towards even less Dnd mechanics (and yes, maybe that should read "fewer") in the comic, then he noticed he'd done so, made a joke about it, and we picked up the joke as our thread title. So it's more that the thread title and the reduced opportunity to speculate about stats share a common cause, and less that one caused the other.
I suppose, in any case, given that the pace of introduction of new characters hasn't increased, that even if there were actual statblocks, you would expect that, over time, the rate at which we obtain new useful information ought to decrease as we would have already plucked all the low-hanging fruit of easily deduced stats...
Clearly, it's time for an extended meta-discussion of how this thread works or what we're doing here and why. Or maybe a renewed argument about Xyklon's level, Tarquin's arrow snatch, or the rules behind Familicide...
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2022-08-23, 01:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery XIX - Nobody Cares about that Stuff Anymore
I'm not sure Xyklon has (had?) class levels at all; I'm, in fact, ready to posit that most of that meat on him was likely a pile of outsider RHD instead.
Hey! I'm plenty dexterous! Come back tomorrow (or the day after) and you'll see that I've, um, slightly rotated this leaf along its longitudinal axis?
And as for Mr. Lee himself, if the ability to cast Raise Thread is anything to go by, he's likely at least a mature adult with 25+ RHD and a pretty bad touch AC.
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2022-08-23, 02:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2022-08-24, 06:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Would 178 panel 1 act as a better reference for this - 161 merely shows they have none prepared where 178 indicates they cannot prepare spells without somantic components.
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2022-08-24, 06:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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2022-09-01, 11:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Should Redcloak have 'Knowledge: The planes' added.
Rational being that he knows at least some of the spell-like abilities of a Quinton (panel 6) along side some other information (such as modron contracts, cognitive abilities etc).
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2022-09-01, 11:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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He also knows about periodic elementals, elementals are identified with that Knowledge right?
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2022-09-01, 11:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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They are, but he has already been given 'Knowledge: Chemistry' to cover elementals.
Edit: A justification could be made that he only has Knowledge: Chemistry because he said he got passing grades, and didn't so much claim to know the abilities of the creatures he summoned.Last edited by dancrilis; 2022-09-01 at 11:40 AM.
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Given that Knowledge (The Planes) is a standard knowledge skill while Chemistry is not, I would be in favor of replacing Chem with Planes.
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I made a webcomic, featuring absurdity, terrible art, and alleged morals.
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Same here.
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I made a webcomic, featuring absurdity, terrible art, and alleged morals.