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2013-02-25, 10:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
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2013-02-25, 10:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-25, 11:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-25, 11:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-25, 11:19 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
Malak knows Protection from Daylight.
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2013-02-25, 12:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Class and Level Geekery IX: the thread levels up again!
Since Hold Person is 1 round/level, should Durkon not break it, could we get Malack's Level?
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2013-02-25, 12:52 PM (ISO 8601)
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No, as we cannot tell exactly how long a round is during this conversation. We also no not know how many rounds Malack already spent draining Belkar off-panel.
I guess that we could come close to "10 to 20 rounds" if we count words, but even that might not be possible. And we already know that Malack is probably in the level range of "11 to 20ish".Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, Queen Cersei, King Joffrey, The Tickler, The Hound, Ser Amory, Polliver, Raff the Sweetling, Weese, Dunsen, Nale, Ser Gregor Clegane and Chiswyck: Winter is coming!
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2013-02-25, 01:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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No. Even if he needs a Natural 20 to do so, Belkar could pass a Will save and break out of the spell at any time.
Well, the accuracy and consistency of verbal components in naming their spells is somewhat suspect. In a few instances, casters cast without saying the spell name at all. Power Word: Stun is just "Stun." Holy Word is just "Holy" (when not interrupted). And Xykon's Moderately Escapable Forcecage (admittedly a joke spell) is just "Forcecage."Last edited by Draz74; 2013-02-25 at 01:03 PM.
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2013-02-25, 01:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-25, 02:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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That is entirely reasonable. Regardless, the circumstance modifier would be useless if he didn't have at least one rank. It isn't an untrained skill. And Ganji? A rogue probably around 12th level? His skill point total would make a cross class rank, (putting one cross class rank in a skill only useable trained is a reasonable investment when you have the SP to burn,) in spellcraft easy peasy.
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2013-02-25, 02:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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If, hypothetically, you rolled up a high-Int Fighter in a party with a Wizard, and that Wizard cast Blade Barrier in a fight (using the OotS method of shouting "Blade Barrier" to make it obvious to all and sundry), and a few days later the Fighter saw the same spell in effect, having already been cast by the same Wizard, would you make him roll Spellcraft to identify it?
The rules are contingent on how a reasonable DM would use them. It is entirely reasonable for a DM to rule that Tarquin recognizes Blade Barrier without a check in this case. And since the burden of proof rests firmly on those seeking to add information to the OP, I don't have to provide my own evidence; I only have to subject yours to a reasonable doubt. Which is a reasonable rule, as 'Tarquin doesn't necessarily have ranks in Spellcraft' is not a claim that can be proved with evidence, yet it is the counterclaim to yours.
Fair enough; that was not a strong argument on my part.Last edited by Math_Mage; 2013-02-25 at 02:31 PM.
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2013-02-25, 03:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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What level do you think protection from daylight is? Protection from energy is a 3rd level spell, but that has a damage cap.
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2013-02-25, 03:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Greatly depends on specific details. Fast googling gives 4th level Cleric spell Night's Mantle for 10minutes/level, with a 1000 gold spell component, as well as
Semblance of Life, 7th level sorcerer/wizard spell with a 100 gp spell component.
So the lower limit is 4th level, and the upper is something Epic (you ARE eliminating one of the major weaknesses of vampires).
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2013-02-25, 05:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Proposal:
In a recent Strip, Durkon Holy Worded the Linear Guild. Z'zdriti was deafened but not blinded (as Tarquin could Drow Sign Language him). Therefore Z= Level 16. In Strip 795, Varsuuvius says that Z'zdriti is of equal level to him. Therefore, Z and V are both Level 16.
By the same logic, since Nale is level 16 and he is the rival of Elan, they are both the same level. Meaning Elan the bard is level 16.
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2013-02-25, 05:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-25, 05:47 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm sorry, but that isn't the same logic. I am unsure how V can tell that shi is the same level as Z, but shi did say as much. Is there a similar sentence from either Elan or Nale? Because I disagree with the statement that the are "rivals" (which I take to mean the kind of relationship that ties Haley and her sworn enemy). They are opponents, certainly, and they dislike each other, but that cannot be enough to tie levels gains. That would require an extensive background, not just being enemies since Nale run Elan through.
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2013-02-25, 05:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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They're identical twins opposed to each other. Is that not enough? Rich even said they have the same physical stats.
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2013-02-25, 06:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, I can't see how Nale can't possibly be Elan's Rival, opposed alignent, name, identical twins, it's like if they won the Rival Stereotype Lottery.
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2013-02-25, 06:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-25, 06:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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I would be very surprised to learn that any two of the nine* adventurers currently making up the Order of the Stick and the Linear Guild are different levels**.
*If Tarquin, Malack, and Kilkil are Linear Guild members, Redcloak has a bridge to Terebithia to sell you.
**ECL for Sabine may interfere with this. But something--either her actual class level or her ECL--is the same as the level of Nale, which is the same as the level of Haley, which is the same as the level of Roy, etc., etc.Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2013-02-25, 06:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-25, 06:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Though Malack is listed as being a vampire on the front page, shouldn't we also include his +8 level adjustment, to have a total character level of at least 19?
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2013-02-25, 06:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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As I said, I doubt it. It's certainly not a "fact" in that anyone in the comic or Rich on the boards has stated as much.
In any event, while there are things in the first post I disagree with (pegging Durkon at exactly level 15 and Belkar at exactly level 16, for one thing), for Roy it only says that he's level 12+ (because he has neither cast a seventh or eighth-level spell, nor announced that he has the feat Improved Precise Shot with all-rogue levels, nor made a joke about old-D&D attack ranks which is being taken to mean way more than it should); if he's level 16, that's 12+. Rich has not made a joke about Roy being lower level than the rest of the Order in the quite-some-time since Roy was resurrected. He still could, at any time, of course, but the longer he goes without doing so the more likely it seems that he never will. And his wanting to make such a joke is the only reason he would have Roy be lower level than the rest of the Order.Last edited by Kish; 2013-02-25 at 06:34 PM.
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2013-02-25, 06:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-25, 07:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Hi everyone. I'm quite new in this thread so I'm sorry if I'm asking something that has already been discussed (I've read here and there but 15 pages are way too much).
I was wondering about Belkar's classes: we know he should have a sprinkle of barbarian, and we know even that the Giant shows a character levelling up just when it has a meaning (so not in the most of cases). The halfling was still a barbarian if we assume his last words as a barbaric rage, but he had a lot of dealing with undead (back in Azure city) and a few occasion levelling, having been sick and then imprisoned. Now, before of the decision of embracing him Malack hit him with some black energy. So my doubt: could Belkar have been sent back in levels to a pure ranger?Last edited by Meph; 2013-02-25 at 07:10 PM.
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2013-02-25, 07:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Level drain doesn't work like that in 3.xed. Right now, Belkar has however many negative levels Malack inflicted on him. Each reduces his attacks by 1...and various other stuff.
24 hours after they were inflicted, if Belkar has not yet received a Restoration spell, the negative levels will go away, and Belkar will need to make a number of Fortitude saves equal to the number of negative levels he had. For each Fortitude save he fails, he will lose a level.Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2013-02-25, 08:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Doesn't Death Ward remove negative levels anyway?
Or is that just in Pathfinder.
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2013-02-25, 08:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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Nah, Death Ward is just sunscreen. It'll keep Belkar from getting more negative levels, but what's done is done.
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2013-02-25, 08:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-25, 08:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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