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2012-01-26, 10:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This comic is barely D&D related anymore
Hey now. We don't need to get into bashing other strips to answer the basic questions here:
Has OOTS become less focused on gaming jokes? Demonstrably, yes.
Has it dropped those jokes entirely? No.
Has this made it worse? That's up to the individual, but from the looks of this thread, the answer is a resounding "no".
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2012-01-26, 10:17 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-26, 10:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This comic is barely D&D related anymore
Eh, only on page 1 and while I don't agree at all with the OP, I don't really agree with your opinion there and find it a wee bit offensive. Especially since I'm just as much a fan of Nodwick as Order of the Stick and I almost as big a fan of 8 Bit Theatre.
I mean, they're not the same kind of webcomic but that doesn't mean you can use that kind of insulting tone when comparing them. They're different and have a different intended reader base.
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[quote]Fully up to date on the thread...so..yeah...this please.
Just because you think the OP and his supporters are wrong doesn't mean you need to act Elitist over OotS.
And yes, I say Elitist. I've seen bashing of four different comics/webcomics over the course of this thread that wasn't necessary or called for at all.Last edited by Tanuki Tales; 2012-01-26 at 10:43 PM.
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2012-01-26, 10:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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The Commoner vs. Cat Joke was in#780.
D&D jokes/references from #781-831
- - Reference to Elves' spot check
- - Bugsby's Cat Retrieving Hand
- - Alignment joke about Belkar and the Cat evening out to Neutral together.
- - Enor throws a spear and it's cost is factored in the profits. (Matching the price of a SRD shortpear. Not exactly what made the joke funny but a nice attention to detail)
- - "Biggest Dump since Elan's Intelligence Score"
- - Thog is pretty much a Perpetual Running Half-Orc Joke
- - Good old fashioned D&D wizard brawl.
- - Thog mocks Roy's high Int and makes a case for Putting all points into Strength
- - Epic Battle is Epic of THog apparently raging for the first time.
- - Wizard Brawl continues with ZZ'dtri (a parody of a famous D&D character) continuously countering V with a list of his items and feat selections.
- - Plane Shift used to take V to the elemental plane of Ranch Dressing.
- - Surprise Cat with Giant's Belt Attack
- - Unorthodox Celestial Creature Summoning Action.
- - Copyright+Rules Lawyers/Flumphs callback
- - Animal Empathy joke with Belkar and Scruffy
- - Knowlege (Architecture and Engineering)
SpoilerCompletely unrelated. I've played NWN with a fighter with 18 Natural Int. The build works surprisingly well. - - Durkon unsuccesfully calls for Thor's aid.
- - Whispering the use of Sense Motive
- - Goblin Adventuring Party
- - Joke about the humor of Paladins
- - RedCloak and his running gag of using elementals made of actual elements.
- - Redcloak's increased power shown through his use of higher level spells.
I left out a lot of stuff. Mostly the shout outs to spells, magic item use and whatnot. Though, I put down multipage sections as single examples. Mostly these were the serious battles where references to spells or special abilities were called out by name or used more for utility to get a laugh.
Hey now. We don't need to get into bashing other strips to answer the basic questions here
SpoilerI have nothing against D&D or Dm of the Rings or..whatever that other one is called. I notice people like referencing it and that's fine. It justhas never been my cup of tea any time that I've come across it. What I really don't like is the comparison that someone who is making an effort to have a funny and creative story with original art should "try better" and be "more like" a webcomic who's set up is a series of screen caps of established and beloved franchises with jokes about an established and beloved P&P gaming ruleset.
Doesn't help that the first time in a long time I check on that comic again that joke that immediately jumped at me wasn't funny and a Lethal Weapon reference that Family Guy did 3-5 years ago and it wasn't funny then either. And the re-rolling joke isn't funny. It's just pointing out that "Yes, people re-roll when their character dies." The part where he "didn't" squeal on the Republic was funny though.Deviantart
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2012-01-26, 11:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-26, 11:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-27, 12:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-27, 01:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This comic is barely D&D related anymore
Almost the entire list can be considered jokes. As I said under the list. I guess it is a bit redundant to say "D&D jokes/references" since "D&D jokes" already tell you that they reference D&D. I left out a lot of stuff because they couldn't at all be seen as jokes by themselves. Nale using an Enervation wand for instance. Though...maybe the one where Tarquin sees Nale with the Trueseeing ring can be considered a joke. I know I laughed at that.
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SpoilerEvery few years, the yank moviegoing public is greeted with a movie that instantly earns the desirable tag of "One of the Scariest Movies Ever Made!" This designation accustomed be reserved for less than the foremost special of terror tales — psychotic, The Exorcist, Alien — however currently, it is a catch phrase combat, Saw, The Descent, Paranormal Activity, Insidious, Sinister — the list goes on. (But no Jack and Jill? What the hell?) -A Wise Adbot
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2012-01-27, 02:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-27, 02:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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So you mean...
What's the deal with Goblins? The manual says they're small but they can move around like they were medium. Make up your mind! Goblins must be ridiculously lanky. Maybe goblin legs "literally" go all the way up. During playtesting the Goblin Favored Class used to be Rockette.
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SpoilerEvery few years, the yank moviegoing public is greeted with a movie that instantly earns the desirable tag of "One of the Scariest Movies Ever Made!" This designation accustomed be reserved for less than the foremost special of terror tales — psychotic, The Exorcist, Alien — however currently, it is a catch phrase combat, Saw, The Descent, Paranormal Activity, Insidious, Sinister — the list goes on. (But no Jack and Jill? What the hell?) -A Wise Adbot
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2012-01-27, 02:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This comic is barely D&D related anymore
In that case, we have the Osmium Elementals, just a couple of strips ago.
It may be a running gag, but it's still a gag at the expense of D&D rules (the definition of elemental).
ETA: And if you don't like that, I give you the:
Easy as taking Apocalypse Candy from a doombaby, which is mocking, yet again, the uptight reputation of Paladins in D&D. OK, that's a running gag as well. But at least it was a fresh take on it.Last edited by Porthos; 2012-01-27 at 02:31 AM.
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2012-01-27, 03:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-27, 03:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This comic is barely D&D related anymore
Maybe you should try waiting for the books to be released instead of reading it as it updates?
There are other comics out there that achieve both telling an ongoing story and still being funny nearly every single strip, while being updated on a regular (if not daily!) basis (right now I'm thinking of Darths and Droids, perfect example IMO).
But it could have been told in a lot less strips and since the strips are not that funny most of the time (mind you, funny's always subjective!) the long waiting-time isn't really justified any more.Last edited by Cizak; 2012-01-27 at 03:50 AM.
I won a thread. Am I pathetic to list that in my signture? Yes. Of course I am.
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2012-01-27, 05:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This comic is barely D&D related anymore
That wouldn't work either. I don't own any of the books but I had the chance to read SoD and wasn't overly impressed, at least not that much that I'd spend so much money to get a copy shipped over here. The delay in updating isn't really the problem but it makes it worse.
In fact the plot IS made up by the author and one could argue that it's even harder to write a plot that has nothing to do with the movie itself. But we don't have to nitpick here. There are countless other strips out there, let it be LfG or QC (which is in fact being updated 5 times/week).
Which doesn't mean that he "should" do so. I read many a book that could have been half as thick as it was and it would have been better.
Be it as it may, everybody is entitled to have his own opinion wheter he likes the change or not. I don't like it and I've got my reasons for it which I stated above. No one has to agree with me and I in no way think that I am "right" about this (one can't be!). But I know that I'm not the only one who thinks that way. In fact most of the people I recommended OotS to stopped reading after a while or just check back occasionally. And they all told me that the reason for this is that it gets boring after a while.
If Rich is happy with the way his comic evolves and if he can make a good living out of it, then my best wishes to him. It's just not working for me and that's kind of sad, but you can't make it right for everyone.
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2012-01-27, 05:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-27, 06:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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I have been reading this comic since it was on strip 720 or so. It made me get interested in D&D enough to start reading Darths and Droids, and Goblins. And I'm looking for a group to play tabletop RPGs, since I've never played them before and these comics made me want to.
I don't know what an orthodox OotS fan is, but it sounds very boring. How fun can be a story/game without plot?
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2012-01-27, 06:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2012-01-27, 06:47 AM (ISO 8601)
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Ah, ye olde "there are lots of people who agree with me and just can't say so for themselves" ploy - common to all forms of internet argument.
Now, I have no way of knowing with absolute certainty how true this is, and it's quite possible that vast droves of readers have drifted away as the comic slowly changed focus. But until some more of them speak up, all I have to go on is the evidence I can see with my own eyes - such as the fact that the ongoing Kickstarter drive has just met five goals in as many days. This is not something you see with a comic which has alienated its readers. And then, of course, there's this thread and the picture it presents of people's opinions - not one of a dissatisfied fanbase.
I'm sure there are people you know, and others you don't, that don't like the direction OOTS has gone in. But I am skeptical in the extreme that they are anywhere near a majority of the readers this comic has or has ever had.
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2012-01-27, 08:45 AM (ISO 8601)
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Not seeing how that's ironic. Could you explain?
Anyway, the thread title itself states the comic is not D&D related anymore. There is absolutely no truth to that. Sure, it can be nitpicked whether we're talking about referenced or jokes specifically but the thread title is just wrong as is. Also, we're at 830 strips. Why would you be commenting on this now? This might have been an observation to make way back in the 200's but now that the comic's already been plot driven for several years?Last edited by FatJose; 2012-01-27 at 08:47 AM.
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2012-01-27, 09:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This comic is barely D&D related anymore
I would assume it more likely that most readers who are familiar enough with OotS to make the judgement that it has moved away from jokes based around D&D rules minutiae are readers who are generally satisfied with the way the comic has evolved.
The rest of those who casually glanced at OotS and moved on were not dissuaded from reading by the comics' evolution, but by the fact that they just never enjoyed the comic that much in the first place. Which is fine, really. No comic//story//film//music//media will appeal to everyone.
But judging by the fact that the forum is consistently at the point of saturation with regular traffic, the Kickstarter drive, and the fact that Rich is still here 800+ comics later, even despite an irregular update schedule suggests to me that people are, generally speaking, sticking around.Last edited by Gullintanni; 2012-01-27 at 09:21 AM.
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2012-01-27, 09:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This comic is barely D&D related anymore
I have a quick question: Is the initial post bitching the comic will lose the "majority of readership" about the comic that just raised 200.000$ in five days?
I know the thread was opened before the kickstarter went online but I think the number over here pretty much puts a gun on this discussion's head and pulls the trigger.
Whatever has happened to the direction of the comic since the start and whether if someone personally thinks that is good or bad, I doubt the problem that some sort of "majority" does not like it has been proven to be a complete non-issue.
It is interesting my gaming has went the same direction. I do not bother about the rules. If they help, fine. But let's not let them stand in the way of the actual game. It's the same here. You see where it's based on but what it is based on is not the actual thing it is about.
Your life is based on breathing but it really is not about that. It's the same with how I think D&D should be played or how this comic here is handling it.Last edited by Ancalagon; 2012-01-27 at 09:34 AM.
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2012-01-27, 09:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-27, 09:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-27, 10:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Okay, so we've reduced Arcano's argument to "there aren't enough jokes at the expense of the D&D 3.5e rule set"
As the Giant has pointed out numerous times, it makes less and less sense to base a comic on that premise when 4e and 5e are the rule sets people are using anyway (or 1e if you're hardcore like that).
It's like complaining that 8-bit Theatre doesn't make enough jokes about the low resolution monsters in Final Fantasy (1) on the NES.
They can't, there isn't enough space between all the Fighter-is-Dumb and Black-Mage-is-Annoyed-By-Fighter jokes and Abbott and Costello style misunderstandings.
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2012-01-27, 10:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This comic is barely D&D related anymore
How about this:
From now on, all characters in the comic must shout out their die rolls in combat like first-time roleplayers!
"9."
"14!"
"3."
"18! Hah! I killed you!"
"Crap, I'm dead! Hrk!"Last edited by Smolder; 2012-01-27 at 12:44 PM.
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2012-01-27, 11:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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What? How? Granted I only read half of it, but I'm pretty sure at least the first half's plot was made by George Lucas, not the author of Darths & Droids.
Be it as it may, everybody is entitled to have his own opinion wheter he likes the change or not.I won a thread. Am I pathetic to list that in my signture? Yes. Of course I am.
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2012-01-27, 12:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: This comic is barely D&D related anymore
The Darths & Droids strip loosely uses the characters, places, and events of the movies. There are some similarities but largely there is an entirely different in-game plot that is in fact quite radically different from that of the movies.
SpoilerOne example: in Darths and Droids the Sith are just a myth and never really existed. Palpatine is a goodly character and not a corrupt schemer.
One of the reasons I still enjoy Darths and Droids is because it doesn't just make D&D jokes but also has crafted an intricate plot that uses the imagery of the movies to craft an entirely new story. It is really quite cleverly written and well planned out in advance."And yet, will we ever come to an end of discussion and talk if we think we must always reply to replies? For replies come from those who either cannot understand what is said to them, or are so stubborn and contentious that they refuse to give in even if they do understand." - St. Augustine
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2012-01-27, 01:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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There are only so many adventuring cliches, so many dice-based illogical conclusions, so many puns with gaming related terms that can be done.
831 strips focused on jokes about gaming rules....
I'm sure that would not be nauseatingly repetitive at all
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2012-01-27, 01:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-01-27, 01:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Exactly. The strip could be the poster child for Alternative Character Interpretation.
I mean,
SpoilerDooku hopelessly standing alone against all of the evil machinations (plus being French)? General Grievous being the insane, cyborgified Chancellor Valorum? Anakin being a complete evil mastermind? Brilliant!