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2011-01-23, 08:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion II: No Longer Mortal
I meant more "can they 'extrude' jouten in the forms they already know of" and how.
Second bit is useful to know.
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2011-01-23, 08:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion II: No Longer Mortal
So far as I understand it, you need to kill only one of the joutens and activate a spirit-killing effect to slay a Primordial.
This generally isn't a problem, though, because I believe all Primordials/Yozis only have a single personal body (The Ebon Dragon, Adorjan), have a world-body (Szoreny, Autochthon), or have one of each (Gaia, Malfeas). I don't believe we've seen a Primordial with more then two joutens or more then one of each type.
That's just what we've seen, though. It's quite possible there is more.
And there's no mention of how they make jouten in the Ebon Dragon's write-up, which contains all of the Yozi charms, so I would assume they come into being at the same time the Yozi does.Last edited by Mr.Bookworm; 2011-01-23 at 08:16 PM.
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2011-01-23, 09:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-01-23, 10:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-01-23, 10:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion II: No Longer Mortal
Brings up a good point. Purely speculative; if you were to somehow kill Malfeas' Demon City World-Body, in which all the other Yozi are housed (except maybe Cecelyne - but she's anchored to it), what would happen to everyone else? He's supposedly their "prison", so would each Yozi just sort of float off into Elsewhere, forming their own separate world? Would some first age failsafe activate and have another Yozi nomnomnom all the others up and form a new prison-realm?
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2011-01-23, 11:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion II: No Longer Mortal
Or they all freak out because they're all suddenly living in a dead guy falling slowly into oblivion with no means of escape.
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2011-01-24, 03:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion II: No Longer Mortal
So, would somehow destroying the Games of Divinity without destroying Creation be a good thing or a bad thing?
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2011-01-24, 04:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion II: No Longer Mortal
Well, there's no easy answer, as I'm fairly certain that, canon-wise, you can't (which just means it's up to the purview of the Storyteller to figure something else).
Even speculation is difficult, as there are conflicting theories about what the Games actually are. Some say that it's just the Divine Opium Den (with various theories about why the Primordials made such a thing), in which case destroying it would probably be a good thing. Some say it's an integral part of Creation, and that entities of Primordial or Incarna level power must constantly be playing it to keep the world from falling apart (this is if you want a less GRIMDARK setting, in which the Unconquered Sun isn't a crack addict). In that case, it would be bad.
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2011-01-24, 04:39 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion II: No Longer Mortal
AFAIK, it is specifically said that the Games are NOT integral to creation. Think that's the only thing we know for a fact.
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2011-01-24, 05:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion II: No Longer Mortal
Isn't Creation supposed to be the power source for the Games, which are inherently so addictive that the Incarnae don't care about Creation?
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2011-01-24, 05:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion II: No Longer Mortal
In Return of the Scarlet Empress, it specifically mentioned giving different vulnerabilities to Sol Invictus "...especially in a series where playing the Games of Divinity helps sustain the universe and is, therefore, not intrinsically intemperate."
To me, this means that the writer thinks its up for debate.5e D&D Mythos Classes
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2011-01-24, 05:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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Oh, okay, I could easily be wrong. xD
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2011-01-24, 05:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion II: No Longer Mortal
Well, like I said, I think they want it to be up for debate on a game-by-game basis. Some games will be churning cesspits of despair and horror where even the most righteous of the Gods are all terminally stupid, crack addicted bastards, the wonders of the First Age will never be reclaimed again, Gaia is searching for the solution to Creation's problems in vain because there is no solution, everything is spiraling ever faster towards oblivion, nothing you do will ever matter towards anything, and the best you can hope for is that one of your friends puts a knife in your back before you get the chance to go insane and beat your wife to death for not doing the dishes fast enough.
Some games will have a team of Godbloods with the Beast Form (Pony) debility that go and teach the Ebon Dragon the true meaning of friendship.5e D&D Mythos Classes
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2011-01-24, 05:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-01-24, 06:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-01-24, 07:49 AM (ISO 8601)
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Nope. The ED is a ----. He doesn't deserve to get seduced by the Lix.
ANY other Yozi/primordial/deathlord/villain? Sure!
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2011-01-24, 07:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Aw. Poor Ebon Dragon. I'm sure that he really just wants to be loved.
*is backstabbed*
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2011-01-24, 07:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-01-24, 07:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yay! My hero!
*Is bound into soulsteel by a passing abbysal*
*********!!!!!!!
Which goes to show that mortals are always, inevitably, screwed. Even in death.
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If I creep into your house in the dead of night and strangle you while you sleep, you probably messed up your grammar.
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2011-01-24, 08:03 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion II: No Longer Mortal
Well Random, you could always respond to the PM I sent you the other day.
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2011-01-24, 08:04 AM (ISO 8601)
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An intriguing proposal. I shall have to ponder long and hard on the idea.
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2011-01-24, 08:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-01-24, 12:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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So, I had a very interesting debate on the nature of the Yozi. Specifically, how limited are they by their nature. This matters, as I mentioned how (myself included) many feel some sympathy for the Yozi, but also that the Ebon Dragon often doesn't get this sympathy. The other began to question the difference that makes the others worthy of sympathy/pity, and not him, and in the end I was unable to really give a good answer. So, anyone else have a good one?
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2011-01-24, 12:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion II: No Longer Mortal
Simple. Most of the Yozis were at least decently moral as Primordials. Shadow that Was, not so much. He's the least deformed of the Yozis. What does that tell you about his "former" incarnation?
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2011-01-24, 12:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion II: No Longer Mortal
Dragon's Shadow, not the Shadow That Was. Which is weird, because other Primordials did not change their names unless they underwent fetich death, so he should still be called Dragon's Shadow.
EDIT: Also, a question to STs / would-be STs: how much do you enforce the language barriers of Creation? I, for one, tend to be quite strict about it and make sure all characters share a language, but others may not feel the same way.Last edited by The Rose Dragon; 2011-01-24 at 12:36 PM.
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2011-01-24, 12:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion II: No Longer Mortal
Because being true to your nature and being sympathetic are not the same thing, nor even related. I don't care if something that killed and ate my grandma was acting purely on instinct, I want it gone because it's dangerous and hurt my feelings (to say nothing of my grandma's).
If something is a thing you hate intrinsically, the fact it cannot be other doesn't get it a free pass.
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2011-01-24, 12:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion II: No Longer Mortal
No. See, he used to be the literal shadow of a dragon. There was something flying around that looks just like the Ebon Dragon does today, but that was the shadow of the real Primordial, who was the shadow that thing cast. When the Ebon Dragon was made into a Yozi, he stopped being a shadow and started being the dragon.
Now, his title - "The Shadow of All Things" - that still applies and has always applied, because he has always been defined by his opposition to all things true, noble, and good. Of course, truth, nobility, and goodness were all ideas that the Ebon Dragon had put into Creation, including free will, because he wants to subvert all of those concepts.
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2011-01-24, 01:07 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-01-24, 03:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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So, I did mention I'm reading GWM, which is really cool but a damn lot of stuff. Anyone who is up to date on the Fae can tell me how you go about actually forging Oaths and Oneiromancies and such other Grace arti-magics? I seem to be missing something. Or is it just a matter of normal Craft (perhaps with Glamour)?