LGBTAitp - Part Fifteen

[Qaera]

I'm not sure what the standard is, Golentan, but that sounds respectful.

DMS, my family would be asking for dimensions and such.

~ ♅

[Lissou]

Well, I don't think you have any more reason to tell them that than you have to tell you family any other details about your girlfriends' genitals in general.
Certainly something she should be the one sharing, but also, none of their business in my opinion.

[KingOfLaughter]

Thanks guys. :)

Yeah, your others genitals are generally a private subject. :P

On a side note, my gay friend likes to creep me out with gay jokes, it's funny now that I think about it. :P

Monkeys like bananas, gay monkeys LIKE bananas.

[golentan]

Thanks for the affirmation guys.

[DeadManSleeping]

DMS, my family would be asking for dimensions and such.

~ ♅

And yet you're still in the closet from them about being Uranus, progenitor of the skies and the Titans? For shame.

[Asta Kask]

Seen on FaceBook: "I hate that being a lesbian means you don't know if you want a guy or girl."

Yeah, about that...

[golentan]

Still, that's less painful than some facebook comments I've seen.

[Mono Vertigo]

... I-I'm pretty sure that's not how "being a lesbian" works.

[Qaera]

And yet you're still in the closet from them about being Uranus, progenitor of the skies and the Titans? For shame.

/is ashamed.

On FaceBook quotes regarding lesbians, this happened to me today (at the beach):

Those girls must be lesbians [because they arrived at the beach together in bikinis].

Nah, those are bisexuals.

I wondered how they could detect someone's Sexual Orientation with a glance, because I would love to have that. Luckily it seems to be faulty with regards to me.

~ ♅

[Asta Kask]

It's like saying you can always detect a toupée. No, you can't, because you don't know about all the non-obvious ones that just went by unnoticed. It's even called the 'toupée fallacy'.

See here for more. They even have a LGTBA example.

[Petrocorus]

DMS, my family would be asking for dimensions and such.

I'm glad to learn that i'm not the only ones in this case.

@ Golentan, I concur with the others.


{Scrubbed}

[bluewind95]

I just read about the end to an anti-LGBTA stuffs in the US related to a topic that I suppose comes under "Inappropriate" for this forum.

The horrible comments in the article made me sad.

[turkishproverb]

I just read about the end to an anti-LGBTA stuffs in the US related to a topic that I suppose comes under "Inappropriate" for this forum.

The horrible comments in the article made me sad.

Believe me, I know the feeling.

[Skeppio]

I just read about the end to an anti-LGBTA stuffs in the US related to a topic that I suppose comes under "Inappropriate" for this forum.

The horrible comments in the article made me sad.

Been there many, many times. I'll never understand why it's comment boxes specifically that have such idiotic hateful rabble (Looking at you, Youtube >_>)...

[Coidzor]

... I-I'm pretty sure that's not how "being a lesbian" works.

Hell, I've had a teenage girl explain to me at length how it's a label for what you're looking for right now, so that she was a lesbian last year but isn't one this year, though she was considering going back to being a lesbian next year.

[Knaight]

Just want affirmation that I'm doing the right thing by not telling my family my GF is biologically male. I figure it should be her decision if and when to tell people.

I'm going to jump on the bandwagon and say yes. It is your girlfriends choice as to if, when, and how to divulge that information.

On other notes, some of the recent stupid quotes are really quite impressive in their stupidity, particularly the bit about the Parisian mayor.

[Eurus]

Hell, I've had a teenage girl explain to me at length how it's a label for what you're looking for right now, so that she was a lesbian last year but isn't one this year, though she was considering going back to being a lesbian next year.

You know, while I see how that is definitely offensive in some ways (and rather misleading), I thought the idea of people being able to decide their own labels and not being held to arbitrary social standards was a desirable thing? Sure, there'll be people picking labels that can be seen as inaccurate or facetious, but it's not really anyone's concern but the person themselves, is it? If someone wants to say that they're male this year and female next year, would that be a problem?

...But on the other hand, people using "lesbian" to refer to questioning phases or bisexuality might enhance the belief that all lesbians have the potential to be attracted to "the right guy," which is actively harmful. So I'm not quite sure what to think.

[Lissou]

I wouldn't know either. I mean we've just had that discussion and the conclusion was "people should be able to call themselves whatever they want even if it's obviously false, and no it's not offensive that they do, what's offensive is our deciding that it's false". I fail to see why it would suddenly be the other way around, even if I agree it defeats the point of having labels in the first place if what they mean is up to each individual (which was my point from the start).

[Serpentine]

I think it suggests that she doesn't know what the word "lesbian" means, and that she may have an idea of it offensive to people of that sexuality.

[Asta Kask]

Or just out of this world.

[Mina Kobold]

Been there many, many times. I'll never understand why it's comment boxes specifically that have such idiotic hateful rabble (Looking at you, Youtube >_>)...

I know why!

It's because we're six billion people on Earth and all of them can say what we want anonymously in the comment boxes. Esecially Youtube, nobody moderates them!

But remember, the loudest aren't neccesary the majority. So there's still hope for humanity!

[Lissou]

I've been watching a Korean show known as Personal Taste, Personal Preference or Perfect Match (no clue how it came to have so many names).

The main character is thought to be gay although he isn't, and there are lots of misunderstanding throughout.

There are lots of good things, like how it seems to be a non-issue for a lot of the characters, and although the main character is annoyed that people think that, it's no so bad.
And although there are some stereotypes (one friend starts pretending to be his boyfriend and he acts very campy), it's mostly to make fun of them, as the main character is always thought to be this or that way (can cook, can clean, dresses well) due to being gay, when he isn't.

But man, I'm annoyed at how they keep referring to it as not really being a man. There is that whole thing in which the main female character is told she's going to meet someone who is neither a man nor a woman, and that ends up being him, because he's gay. And it's reused over and over again, the "you're not an actual man" angle as some kind of euphemism to mean he's gay. It's annoying.

Another thing is that the main character trains the female I just mentioned to "become a woman" rather than a girl. And he teaches her pretty much only stuff I wanted to yell at. Stuff like being late on purpose, or not eating as much as she normally would while on date and eating again once home, and saying "Teehee, I'm such a light eater, I don't need much food" or that kind of thing. And to dress differently than she does normally (which is wearing comfy clothes).
Now, the woman is a slob, so I get teaching her not to be one, but it annoys me how the advice revolves around pretending to be someone she isn't and being so fake.

I hate that kind of plot. Take a female (usually a geek of some sort), and change everything that makes her her to make her like the stereotype from magazine, and then she's a worthy person. The message? If you stop being yourself, maybe you'll be beautiful!
Ugh.

I'm really enjoying the drama though, but I felt like talking about these two things. I mean, I don't think it's the overall message at all, but that it's present to begin with annoys me.

[turkishproverb]

It has alot of names because people translate poorly.

I dont' think I've heard of that one, but it sounds surprisingly progressive for a Korean Drama. Not that it's perfect mind you, but better than I've seen some. Offhand I'm not sure how many of the problems you list were bad translation as opposed to actual "offensive bits" for lack of an easier term, but I wouldn't be surprised either way.

Yea, the "fix the geek" thing is annoying, I agree there. especially when it's done in a way that conforms to another negative stereotype.

[Asta Kask]

I don't want to sound like a queer or nothin', but unicorns are kick-ass!

[LaZodiac]

*Korea*

To be completly fair, that's how Korea works and you can't really get past that. It's like how women in Japan try to be as super cutsey as possible to catch a guy, that's how their culture says women should be. I do agree that it's wrong, but hey, if it works it works, and if they are happy they are happy.

[Serpentine]

I don't want to sound like a queer or nothin', but unicorns are kick-ass!

What's with the disclaimer? Cuz they totally are.

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[Lissou]

Yeah, I don't know much about Korea, but I hear that in Asia in general there is still a much bigger distinction between males and females and what's proper for one or the next. I believe both things are due to that: a female needs to follow the female rules, so that's what is being taught there, and because males and females aren't equal, being with one rather than the other is a much bigger difference.

Still, after watching it for a bit I wanted to talk about my frustration, as much as I think it's really not bad compared to what it could be. And what place is better than here?

[Asta Kask]

What's with the disclaimer? Cuz they totally are.

The disclaimer is there because I... am Sancho.

(And for the three people who got that reference, I love you too.)

[Hawkflight]

Bah, tried to post this last night, but the server went down for maintenance. >_>

Been there many, many times. I'll never understand why it's comment boxes specifically that have such idiotic hateful rabble (Looking at you, Youtube >_>)...

Yeah, but ... that's YouTube. It's full of morons. Lots of non-morons too, but lots of morons.

Also, I think I've figured out the perfect gender symbol for genderqueer people! Pluto's astrological symbol.

Meaning: "Mind (crescent) transcending matter (cross) to reach for divine spirit (circle)"

[Skeppio]

Yeah, but ... that's YouTube. It's full of morons. Lots of non-morons too, but lots of morons.

Well, I was just citing Youtube as an example. I can think of several other sites that follow the trend.

Also, I think I've figured out the perfect gender symbol for genderqueer people! Pluto's astrological symbol.

Meaning: "Mind (crescent) transcending matter (cross) to reach for divine spirit (circle)"

Neat!