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2012-11-16, 08:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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Efreet?
Anyone ever played the Efreet from Savage Species up level 19 for the free (no XP or GP cost) Wishes?
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2012-11-16, 08:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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You know an efreet can't grant himself wishes, right?
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2012-11-16, 08:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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won't really matter in a party of 2+, but no, haven't played it.
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2012-11-16, 08:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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The Savage Species Efreet Class does allow an Efreet to use Wish 3/day and does not prevent the Efreet from granting his own Wishes... At least I'm not seeing anything in the class listing that says they cannot do this... It doesn't even say it in the fluff...
I mean I'd rule that you CAN'T, but from my read through of it nothing prevents you from doing this...Larloch, The Shadow King (w/ Ioun Stones) avatar by Iron Penguin
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2012-11-16, 08:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Exactly, no restrictions. Besides, you could grant someone else's wish when he/she wished you no longer had that restriction. OR grants someone's wish that he could have your power for 10 minutes and then he wished away the restriction. Either way, Savage Species list no such restriction.
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2012-11-16, 10:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Despite being free of charge, it still has all the other restrictions of wish, such as being subject to DM screw if you overstep your bounds. Mind you, there's a lot of cool and perfectly legal stuff you CAN do, but there's a lot of ways this could go wrong as well.
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2012-11-16, 11:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-17, 01:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-17, 05:05 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-17, 05:12 AM (ISO 8601)
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As a DM, I'd let you...
Then I'd introduce the Planar Binding subplot (multiple times), where you just stand around in summoning circles until you grant some guy his wishes
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2012-11-17, 05:26 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-17, 05:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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You have to suck for 18 lvs to qualify for it. Just not worth it, IMO.
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2012-11-17, 06:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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While this is technically true, I see one of two things happening;
Either the DM reinstates the xp cost for wish SLA's or caps the cost at the standard wish's 5k experience
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He goes with the no XP thing and bans all custom items, period.
The ability to create limitless custom items is too powerful for even the very cheesiest of games. Might as well just declare "I win" upon hitting level 19 if that's on the table.I am not seaweed. That's a B.
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2012-11-17, 07:38 AM (ISO 8601)
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I haven't done that (I haven't played in a 19th level game yet)
You can get wish at will easier than that (with more cheese though), and in a level 19 game, having 10 HD really would cramp my style (and survival, both HP wise, save wise, attack wise, and the low HD means that a equal level character could take me out of the fight with a blasphemy/word of chaos/dictum/holy word depending on my alignment), in that sort of game, a wizard or sorcerer could get all the wishes they want. That build would have few options, and would really be a 1 trick pony.
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2012-11-17, 08:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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I am all for curb stomping nice things when the get to uppity, but punishing your players for getting an awesome capstone seems a little... dickish really... I mean if you went through 19 levels of Efreet (with only 10 HD to show for it might I add) you kind of deserve a hug and free wishes... The third option of course being that s/he just lets it all fly, but that is if it is REALLY high-OP.
Regardless this class feature deserves as much regulation as any wish reallyLast edited by Arcanist; 2012-11-17 at 08:44 AM.
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2012-11-17, 09:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, infinite wishes cost mere 8400gp.
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2012-11-17, 07:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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It might be interesting as one side of a Gestalt ?
That said a player with that many wishes is going to get careless.π = 4
Consider a 5' radius blast: this affects 4 squares which have a circumference of 40' — Actually it's worse than that.
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2012-11-17, 08:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Geeze, for all this whining, I might as well just play a Dweomerkeeper and be done with it.
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2012-11-17, 08:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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That's a laughably bad idea. Trying to use the candle of invocation like that -will- end poorly. I'd almost guarantee it.
Also, D&D wiki; ewwww......
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2012-11-17, 09:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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It pretty much is that the playground is an optimization board, and playing as an Efreet is sub-optimal, thus we mention the other things that could do better. A wizard 17 can shape change into a Zodar for wish (effectively) at will. Most of the people that would play something like that aren't on this board, or haven't read this thread.
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2012-11-17, 10:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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π = 4
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2012-11-18, 11:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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2012-11-18, 11:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by nedz; 2012-11-18 at 11:14 AM.
π = 4
Consider a 5' radius blast: this affects 4 squares which have a circumference of 40' — Actually it's worse than that.
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2012-11-18, 11:13 AM (ISO 8601)
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Why the hell would anyone use the Candle of Invocation to make infinite wishes without a contingency plan? Just make safe wishes (Inherit bonuses, replicated casting, free item creation). Wishing for stupid things that would completely curb stomp the entire campaign.
Spoiler"I wish the BBEG was dead!"
"He is now dead-"
"Yay!"
"-and has become the Undead. Congratulations, now find his Phylactery"
"I wish I had his Phylactery!"
"You now have his Phylactery. It is in your bag of holding-"
"Yay!"
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2012-11-18, 11:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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π = 4
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2012-11-18, 11:31 AM (ISO 8601)
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nibble if you want
SpoilerI'd rather this didn't turn into a "Corrupt this wish" thread ... BUT! I do love those kinds of threads...
I wish that my intelligence score would increase by 1
I wish I were twice as intelligent as I currently am at [insert time, date, year, month, second and fraction of second].
This is why I hate wish silliness... and yet I love it so much... Given enough time and thinking a Wish can be flawless... My favorite wish is wishing that Wish X never occurred (See Episodes 501 (105) and 502 (106) of "Adventure Time")Larloch, The Shadow King (w/ Ioun Stones) avatar by Iron Penguin
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2012-11-18, 11:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Not in D&D, you just say "I make each Efreeti create a candle of invocation LE with each of their three wishes, and light each on to summon another Efreeti to do the same thing." I'd consider it a rather lame DM fiat for the DM to say "you misspeak and you cause something horrible to happen." instead of doing something more creative or you running out of Efreeti to summon/summon the same Efreeti as you already made make the candles so it grants no more wishes.
You'll still end up doing something horrible or the DM will just be like "no, don't do that." if the DM is sane or creative, if the DM isn't, then you'll just do whatever you want, though misspeaking isn't the way I'd think it'd happen.
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2012-11-18, 12:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Originally Posted by SRD
This has nothing to do with DM fiat, well other than it's a wish.π = 4
Consider a 5' radius blast: this affects 4 squares which have a circumference of 40' — Actually it's worse than that.
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2012-11-18, 01:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, but your character says whatever you want them to, absent weird optional rules modules like the eyestrain rules for whatever that one magical-gunslinger class was.
Regardless, there are easier ways to get this even without any particular cheese. Ur-Priest to steal an Efreet's wish ability for example.Lord Raziere herd I like Blasphemy, so Urpriest Exalted as a Malefactor
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