OOTS #1185 - The Discussion Thread

[The_Weirdo]

It's probably normal that I'm more reassured that Sigdri is watching over Kudzu than the fact that Hilgya is.

No worries, Durkon. Ma is gonna watch over those two like a Beholder. Probably some extra-eye variant kind.

Say what you will about Hilgya, but she does care for Kudzu enough to change her plans from burning the clan hall to bankrupting her family for his sake. And if that isn't love, I don't know what love is.

[Emanick]

Say what you will about Hilgya, but she does care for Kudzu enough to change her plans from burning the clan hall to bankrupting her family for his sake. And if that isn't love, I don't know what love is.

I had hopes for what you were linking to, and I was not disappointed.

[Peelee]

I had hopes for what you were linking to, and I was not disappointed.

I was. Weird Al made up for it though.

[The_Weirdo]

I was. Weird Al made up for it though.

Try this one. I couldn't resist.

I had hopes for what you were linking to, and I was not disappointed.

Now for another question: do I creep you out?

[deuterio12]

"HELLO HIGHEST PRIESTESS OF THE ARCH-NEMESIS OF MY GOD! JUST SAYING THAT IF MY GOD'S DIVINE PLAN ENDS UP WITH DECIDING TO DESTROY THIS WORLD ALONG EVERYBODY ELSE ON IT, GRAB MY CLOSE FAMILY AND RUN FOR IT! K thnx bye!"

Truly Durkon's the most devout follower of Thor, his faith unshakeable, his trust on Thor doing the best for his loved ones so strong that Durkon'll rather pass pass the fate of said loved ones to Thor's greatest foe, the evil god of lies Loki himself.

[Schroeswald]

"HELLO HIGHEST PRIESTESS OF THE ARCH-NEMESIS OF MY GOD! JUST SAYING THAT IF MY GOD'S DIVINE PLAN ENDS UP WITH DECIDING TO DESTROY THIS WORLD ALONG EVERYBODY ELSE ON IT, GRAB MY CLOSE FAMILY AND RUN FOR IT! K thnx bye!"

Truly Durkon's the most devout follower of Thor, his faith unshakeable, his trust on Thor doing the best for his loved ones that he'll rather entrust their fate to Thor's greatest foe, the evil god of lies Loki himself.

Who said anything about him being worried about the plan? It wasn't that long ago he explicitly said he was worried about being able to convince Redcloak, and defeating Xykon is also a problem, just because the plan is the best one they have doesn't mean that he can completely trust the Order's ability to execute it.

Hilgya also isn't the highest priestess necessarily? Like there is at least one higher priest, Hilgya is just as much the high priestess of Loki as Durkon is Thor's high priest.

And finally, he isn't trusting in Loki or anything, he's trusting Hilgya specifically, and its not even that much, just enough to save the life of her son and the nearest person when she's saving herself, which is the bare minimum to expect of someone who is a couple of kilonazis better than Xykon (still Evil though, don't anyone dare take this as meaning I think she's CN).
This is a bad idea isn't it? I really shouldn't be doing this, but this horse hasn't quite been turned to dust yet.

[The_Weirdo]

Hilgya pretty much stated that she'd not risk herself and her child to save Sigdi by spending time searching for her in the event of things starting to shake. But she also raised the fair point that Sigdi would be around most or all of the time, which rendered it moot. And so she will save Sigdi in that event.

[HorizonWalker]

"HELLO HIGHEST PRIESTESS OF THE ARCH-NEMESIS OF MY GOD! JUST SAYING THAT IF MY GOD'S DIVINE PLAN ENDS UP WITH DECIDING TO DESTROY THIS WORLD ALONG EVERYBODY ELSE ON IT, GRAB MY CLOSE FAMILY AND RUN FOR IT! K thnx bye!"

Truly Durkon's the most devout follower of Thor, his faith unshakeable, his trust on Thor doing the best for his loved ones so strong that Durkon'll rather pass pass the fate of said loved ones to Thor's greatest foe, the evil god of lies Loki himself.

No, Deuterio, Hilgya is not Loki's High Priest. Loki's High Priest is a brown-skinned halfling with black hair, who looks nothing like Hilgya save for being humanoid and short.

[The_Weirdo]

No, Deuterio, Hilgya is not Loki's High Priest. Loki's High Priest is a brown-skinned halfling with black hair, who looks nothing like Hilgya save for being humanoid and short.

I'm humanoid and short too.

[Grey Watcher]

No, Deuterio, Hilgya is not Loki's High Priest. Loki's High Priest is a brown-skinned halfling with black hair, who looks nothing like Hilgya save for being humanoid and short.

I'm humanoid and short too.

You know who else is humanoid and short? The niece of a certain major antagonist of this comic....

[The_Weirdo]

You know who else is humanoid and short? The niece of a certain major antagonist of this comic....

I'm not Elan's female cousin.

[The Aboleth]

"HELLO HIGHEST PRIESTESS OF THE ARCH-NEMESIS OF MY GOD! JUST SAYING THAT IF MY GOD'S DIVINE PLAN ENDS UP WITH DECIDING TO DESTROY THIS WORLD ALONG EVERYBODY ELSE ON IT, GRAB MY CLOSE FAMILY AND RUN FOR IT! K thnx bye!"

Truly Durkon's the most devout follower of Thor, his faith unshakeable, his trust on Thor doing the best for his loved ones so strong that Durkon'll rather pass pass the fate of said loved ones to Thor's greatest foe, the evil god of lies Loki himself.

We're talking about Order of the Stick, not Followers of the Bramble. You're looking for the forum 10 blocks west of here.

[Dr.Zero]

No, Deuterio, Hilgya is not Loki's High Priest. Loki's High Priest is a brown-skinned halfling with black hair, who looks nothing like Hilgya save for being humanoid and short.

To be fair, he said "highest priestess" not "high Priestess", and there is a distinct possibility that H, being at this point close to epic, is effectively the highest (as of the highest level) priestess of Loki. I don't know if that makes sense in english, since I've my own problems with it, but my first interpretation was the one I explained.

[KorvinStarmast]

To be fair, he said "highest priestess" not "high Priestess",

Hilgya can't be a high priestess, she didn't have any beer on-screen. (Old slang for being inebriated was High, which of course the stoners appropriated ... and since the conditions are similar, why make up a new word?)

[Ruck]

"HELLO HIGHEST PRIESTESS OF THE ARCH-NEMESIS OF MY GOD! JUST SAYING THAT IF MY GOD'S DIVINE PLAN ENDS UP WITH DECIDING TO DESTROY THIS WORLD ALONG EVERYBODY ELSE ON IT, GRAB MY CLOSE FAMILY AND RUN FOR IT! K thnx bye!"

Truly Durkon's the most devout follower of Thor, his faith unshakeable, his trust on Thor doing the best for his loved ones so strong that Durkon'll rather pass pass the fate of said loved ones to Thor's greatest foe, the evil god of lies Loki himself.

Once again, you should try reading the actual comic instead of the imaginary version you've invented to complain about.

[Petrocorus]

To be fair, he said "highest priestess" not "high Priestess", and there is a distinct possibility that H, being at this point close to epic, is effectively the highest (as of the highest level) priestess of Loki. I don't know if that makes sense in english, since I've my own problems with it, but my first interpretation was the one I explained.

Do we know this?
The Class Geekery thread put her at level 14+. We know she's 15 at least now because she cast Resurrection.
But that's still not near-epic. And we don't know the level of the High Priest of Loki.

[Schroeswald]

Do we know this?
The Class Geekery thread put her at level 14+. We know she's 15 at least now because she cast Resurrection.
But that's still not near-epic. And we don't know the level of the High Priest of Loki.

I mean I agree with this, but Resurrection is 7th level so she can still cast it at level 14.

[Ruck]

Do we know this?

No, that's another Followers of the Bramble fact.

[Petrocorus]

I mean I agree with this, but Resurrection is 7th level so she can still cast it at level 14.

Oopsie. My mistake.
So she may only be 14+ indeed.

[The MunchKING]

Do we know this?

That depends on how you define "near-epic". Level 15 is closer to epic than 15 other levels, so it's somewhat close...

[Sir_Galliant]

How about we describe 'near epic' as a value of levels which if rounded to have 1 significant figure properly would be 20. So 14 isn't, but 15-19 is. 20+ obviously IS epic

[The MunchKING]

Technically 20 isn't epic YET, and rounds to itself.

[The_Weirdo]

Technically 20 isn't epic YET, and rounds to itself.

Everything rounds to itself if you use the correct base.

[Peelee]

How about we describe 'near epic' as a value of levels which if rounded to have 1 significant figure properly would be 20. So 14 isn't, but 15-19 is. 20+ obviously IS epic

Near Epic is level 25+

[Dr.Zero]

Do we know this?
The Class Geekery thread put her at level 14+. We know she's 15 at least now because she cast Resurrection.
But that's still not near-epic. And we don't know the level of the High Priest of Loki.

No, we don't know how much close to epic she is, actually.
Nonetheless since at the time of Sigdi afair the church of Thor had not a priest able to cast regeneration (therefore not even the HP), one might argue about the fact that either at the time of Sigdi the church of Thor sucked badly and then hit a golden age, or H even at level 14-15 as good chances to be higher than Rubyrock.

But that doesn't answer to your fair point, that is about my assumption around her level.

So let me tell you a story: years ago, when the gang started to move toward Firmament, I said[1] H was going to return in the comic and that her level would have been the same of Durkon+, for the archnemesis rule.
Of course my theory was bashed. She had no reason to be back, and surely enough she didn't level up so much of her own[2]. Mine was a very silly theory, and I couldn't use the archnemesis rule, which was mostly a joke, like that.

Go and figure who was right.

So, till proved wrong, I assume the archnemesis rule was indeed working, and H had at least as many level as D before being killed, and she is around the same level of V and the others.


[1] To be totally fair, I was maybe the second one, still afair, to propose that. But I'd say I was the most adamantine about that happening. (Edit: to clarify why I call it "my theory", nonetheless I think I was the first and, more importantly, only one to claim that she was going to be of the same level of the gang, thanks to the archnemesis rule, so that, indeed, was my theory).
[2] To be totally fair, I replied that then she could have her own group at that point, which didn't happen.

[The Aboleth]

No, we don't know how much close to epic she is, actually.
Nonetheless since at the time of Sigdi afair the church of Thor had not a priest able to cast regeneration (therefore not even the HP), one might argue about the fact that either at the time of Sigdi the church of Thor sucked badly and then hit a golden age, or H even at level 14-15 as good chances to be higher than Rubyrock.

While it's true that in #983 Sigdi says that "among us dwarves, only the high priest of Odin has that kind of magic [to Regenerate my arm]"* I think in light of #1184's info we should read that not as a definitive "The Church of Thor has nobody capable" but instead as another of Sigdi's excuses to not get her arm back. That's actually how I initially read the scene in #983, so maybe there is some confirmation bias here, but I still think #1184 backs up that interpretation.

*I am not translating Sigdi's accent because I'm on mobile at the moment and that would take too long, but the quote is accurate otherwise

[Peelee]

While it's true that in #983 Sigdi says that "among us dwarves, only the high priest of Odin has that kind of magic [to Regenerate my arm]"* I think in light of #1184's info we should read that not as a definitive "The Church of Thor has nobody capable" but instead as another of Sigdi's excuses to not get her arm back. That's actually how I initially read the scene in #983, so maybe there is some confirmation bias here, but I still think #1184 backs up that interpretation.

*I am not translating Sigdi's accent because I'm on mobile at the moment and that would take too long, but the quote is accurate otherwise

Or the high priest of Odin lived among the dwarves and the high priest of Thor (or any other god popular among the dwarves) did not, and may not have been a dwarf at all.

[Lord Torath]

Rio is just some 300 miles from here. It's currently mild there, if that temperature is accurate, but it sometimes gets to 104 F in the summer.

Do you regularly use miles and Fahrenheit down in Brazil, or were you just translating for us backward rubes?

[The Aboleth]

Or the high priest of Odin lived among the dwarves and the high priest of Thor (or any other god popular among the dwarves) did not, and may not have been a dwarf at all.

Exactly, or this. In any case, I find it highly unlikely that there is only ONE Dwarf in ALL Dwarvenkind capable of casting a 7th level Cleric spell. It's far more likely that either Sigdi was wrong, Sigdi was making up an excuse to her young son, or that any other Dwarf or non-Dwarf Cleric was (in)conveniently unavailable to cast such a spell for them for whatever reason.

[Peelee]

Exactly, or this. In any case, I find it highly unlikely that there is only ONE Dwarf in ALL Dwarvenkind capable of casting a 7th level Cleric spell. It's far more likely that either Sigdi was wrong, Sigdi was making up an excuse to her young son, or that any other Dwarf or non-Dwarf Cleric was (in)conveniently unavailable to cast such a spell for them for whatever reason.

I agree she was saying that to placate her son, but I doubt she was really making up an excuse; she couldn't pay for the casting in any event. It'd be like someone seeing my hybrid and asking why I don't drive an F-450. I may just say, "well, I can't afford that," which is true enough even though I wouldn't be getting one regardless. Since if I had the money, I'd be getting full electric.