The Bonus Feat [PEACH][BASE]

[Eldan]

Dear lord, this class is slowly approaching Tier 3

It's pretty much tier 1 already, since it has full wizard casting. And epic spellcasting etc. by level 10.

[gooddragon1]

This class is broken because of the feat known as bonus feat:

Bonus Feat [General]

Benefit
You gain a bonus feat for which you meet the prerequisites.

Special
You may take this feat multiple times, it's effects stack.

You take the bonus feat feat multiple times and then retrain them.

[Realms of Chaos]

Gooddragon1: How could you say that? Everyone knows that the bonus feat needs the bonus feat feat. Swapping it out like that is a little bit cheesy but that type of cheese is the only thing that'll let a class like the bonus feat play alongside high tier classes. Besides the bonus feat doesn't do anything to the bonus feat feat that normal old retraining doesn't so it isn't like the abuse wasn't already there.

Not the person to tell you what you'd need for those high level abilities but I do have something that might work at level 2.

Feat Redundancy: Starting at 2nd level, each feat you possess that can be selected an unlimited number of times is gained once more as a bonus feat at each subsequent class level

[gooddragon1]

Gooddragon1: How could you say that? Everyone knows that the bonus feat needs the bonus feat feat. Swapping it out like that is a little bit cheesy but that type of cheese is the only thing that'll let a class like the bonus feat play alongside high tier classes.

Balancing this class against the lightning warrior is not the solution. Classes like the lightning warrior need to be nerfed rather than buffing other classes to it's level of power. Admittedly this class doesn't get a familiar but it still shouldn't try to compete with the lightning warrior.

[Seerow]

Balancing this class against the lightning warrior is not the solution. Classes like the lightning warrior need to be nerfed rather than buffing other classes to it's level of power. Admittedly this class doesn't get a familiar but it still shouldn't try to compete with the lightning warrior.

Who says this class doesn't get a familiar?

You can ignore a bunch of feat prereqs. So you just ignore the arcane caster prereq and take the Summon Familiar feat. Then improved familiar. And take those two as many times as you want for arbitrary numbers of familiars.

Or for real awesome, take Psicrystal Affinity, then Improved Psicrystal 10,000 times or so. Because who doesn't want a 10,000HD construct companion?



Edit: Actually... by my count you get


Level 1: 1 feat
Level 2: 1 feats
Level 3: 2 feats
Level 4: 4 feats
Level 5: 8 feats
Level 6: 16 feats
Level 7: 32 feats
Level 8: 64 feats
Level 9: 128 feats
Level 10: 256 feats
Level 11: 512 feats
Level 12: 1024 feats
Level 13: 2048 feats
Level 14: 4096 feats
Level 15: 8192 feats
Level 16: 16,384 feats
Level 17: 32,768 feats
Level 18: 65,536 feats
Level 19: 131,072 feats
Level 20: 262,144 feats

That's how many feats are gained at each level. So at level 20 you actually have a total of 524,288 feats.

To the best of my knowledge, there's roughly 3600 feats printed. You have enough feats to take every single one of them, and if there were 100 feats you liked enough to take multiple times, take each of those 100 feats 5,206 times.


...yeah that's not enough. Boost it up to two bonus feats at level 1, to get us over the 1milllion hump.

[Amechra]

You aren't taking into account Human Bonus Feats or Bonus Feats in groups that use Flaws.

[Seerow]

You aren't taking into account Human Bonus Feats or Bonus Feats in groups that use Flaws.

I was assuming it only worked with bonus feats from the class.

Yeah jumping 1st level feats up to 4 instead of 1 gets us up to... 2,097,152?

That gives you enough to take 100 feats of your choice 21,000 times each, while still taking every feat in the game at least once.

[spikeof2010]

Ooh, I love the ideas.

[Grimsage Matt]

I have the urge to play a gesalt using this, The perfectionist, some 3rd part splat books, and Endogrimshell's Expanded Aberration Blood.

Will it be cheap? Will it be broken? Will it exploit wierd crap? Yes, yes it will.

[spikeof2010]

I have the urge to play a gesalt using this, The perfectionist, some 3rd part splat books, and Endogrimshell's Expanded Aberration Blood.

Will it be cheap? Will it be broken? Will it exploit wierd crap? Yes, yes it will.

Which splatbooks in particular? I'm intrested in picking up a few.

[Realms of Chaos]

I have the urge to play a gesalt using this, The perfectionist, some 3rd part splat books, and Endogrimshell's Expanded Aberration Blood.

Will it be cheap? Will it be broken? Will it exploit wierd crap? Yes, yes it will.

Perfectionist? Ha! Try The Humanoid!

[Grimsage Matt]

I use these, because no matter what I want to build, it has something.

Edit; Maybe in a Trisalt where the only purpose is to be as cheap/cheesy as possible. Wonder if I would qualify for your Epic PrC's?

[spikeof2010]

I use these, because no matter what I want to build, it has something.

Edit; Maybe in a Trisalt where the only purpose is to be as cheap/cheesy as possible. Wonder if I would qualify for your Epic PrC's?

Any in specific you recommend?

[Grimsage Matt]

3.5E tower for Greater Skill Focus (and others), but other then that, the Qusesstienal X books. Ya, its a lot of books still, but you can find a feat for any archtype in them. Without giving me what you want to build, I can't narrow it down any further.

[spikeof2010]

I think this class has reached borderline 3-4 tier

[Ziegander]

I think this class has reached borderline 3-4 tier

If you're not joking, and are in fact serious, then no, no it's definitely, definitely a lot more powerful than Tier 3 or 4. It's the closest thing to Tier 0 that I've ever seen. It's more powerful than the most powerful Wizard. By an absurdly wide margin.

[Seerow]

If you're not joking, and are in fact serious, then no, no it's definitely, definitely a lot more powerful than Tier 3 or 4. It's the closest thing to Tier 0 that I've ever seen. It's more powerful than the most powerful Wizard. By an absurdly wide margin.

Don't be silly Ziegander. It's just feats! Everyone knows no matter how many feats you get, you can't ever exceed tier 4.

[spikeof2010]

If you're not joking, and are in fact serious, then no, no it's definitely, definitely a lot more powerful than Tier 3 or 4. It's the closest thing to Tier 0 that I've ever seen. It's more powerful than the most powerful Wizard. By an absurdly wide margin.

This seems like a Tier 7 class at best.

[Ziegander]

This seems like a Tier 7 class at best.

Ahh, Okay. Gotcha.

[spikeof2010]

Ahh, Okay. Gotcha.

I thought it was clear this class was underpowered

[Necroticplague]

Hmmm...
Select "Keep on Rolling".
Become immune to all physical damage.
Seems legit.

[spikeof2010]

Hmmm...
Select "Keep on Rolling".
Become immune to all physical damage.
Seems legit.

Stack Improved Evasion 2 times. You are now immune to all damage that requires a reflex save

[1pwny]

At level 20, changing all my feats to Epic Speed. I now move at about 60,000,000 feet / round. That's 10,000,000 feet/second. Watcha gonna do?

[spikeof2010]

At level 20, changing all my feats to Epic Speed. I now move at about 60,000,000 feet / round. That's 10,000,000 feet/second. Watcha gonna do?

This is amazing.

[Ninjadeadbeard]

At level 20, changing all my feats to Epic Speed. I now move at about 60,000,000 feet / round. That's 10,000,000 feet/second. Watcha gonna do?

G-gotta go f-fast?

[1whoscribbled]

This seems like a Tier 7 class at best.

-7

[Seerow]

At level 20, changing all my feats to Epic Speed. I now move at about 60,000,000 feet / round. That's 10,000,000 feet/second. Watcha gonna do?

That's only 3,048,000 meters per second, or .01C. Surely there's something more efficient than that.

[Veklim]

Well, .01C is still pretty damned fast, you're gonna be moving faster than sound by a good margin, experiencing a fair amount of time distortion and have a truly HORRIFIC inertia....I think it works well enough, but I'll certainly look into speeding it up a bit XD

[Jallorn]

Well, .01C is still pretty damned fast, you're gonna be moving faster than sound by a good margin, experiencing a fair amount of time distortion and have a truly HORRIFIC inertia....I think it works well enough, but I'll certainly look into speeding it up a bit XD

Take a two level dip into speedster for insane AC and a once per encounter explosion.

[spikeof2010]

This class is broken because of the feat known as bonus feat:



You take the bonus feat feat multiple times and then retrain them.

I laughed a long time at this.