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2011-12-30, 07:17 AM (ISO 8601)
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The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
Was browsing through the D&D Wiki and stumbled across this: http://www.dandwiki.com/wiki/Uplift_...e_NPC_Class%29
Worst. Class. Ever. Not even an NPC deserves this.
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2011-12-30, 07:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
Hey... bonus feat. That's better than Commoner. Besides... that's what you get for trawling dandwiki...
Last edited by ShneekeyTheLost; 2011-12-30 at 07:22 AM.
SpoilerQuite possibly, the best rebuttal I have ever witnessed.
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2011-12-30, 07:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
how is this worse than Truenamer?
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2011-12-30, 07:29 AM (ISO 8601)
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Last edited by ShneekeyTheLost; 2011-12-30 at 07:30 AM.
SpoilerQuite possibly, the best rebuttal I have ever witnessed.
Joker Bard - the DM's solution to the Batman Wizard.
Takahashi no Onisan - The scariest Samurai alive
Incarnum and YOU: a reference guide
Soulmelds, by class and slot: Another Incarnum reference
Multiclassing for Newbies: A reference guide for the rest of us
My homebrew world in progress: Falcora
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2011-12-30, 07:32 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
Looks like its just not done and supposed to get more stuff. That said, I can't think of a way to make up for that.
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2011-12-30, 07:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
SpoilerQuite possibly, the best rebuttal I have ever witnessed.
Joker Bard - the DM's solution to the Batman Wizard.
Takahashi no Onisan - The scariest Samurai alive
Incarnum and YOU: a reference guide
Soulmelds, by class and slot: Another Incarnum reference
Multiclassing for Newbies: A reference guide for the rest of us
My homebrew world in progress: Falcora
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2011-12-30, 07:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
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2011-12-30, 07:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
I don't understand. Why would anyone bother to make a class like this? Statting up commoners is already an exercise in vanity, but this is just obscene.
Originally Posted by KKL
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2011-12-30, 07:55 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
Even the "fluff" reasoning for the class doesn't make sense. If you REALLY wanted a "classless"...class...why not just use racial HD? For class skills use whatever the "uplifted" creature had before becoming human(oid). Bam. Done.
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2011-12-30, 08:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
A long time ago, in the old WoTC forums, I remember us discussing the theoretical possibility of a 20th level commoner, and what kind of life could produce such a thing. And we were surprised to find that one of the more well-known characters of fantasy litterature were in fact best described as a 20th (or epic) level commoner...
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2011-12-30, 08:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-12-30, 08:24 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
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2011-12-30, 08:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
^Not when Gandalf was only a 5th level wizard.
Someone needs to stat an optimized Uplift. I'm not even sure if that's possible.Last edited by aabicus; 2011-12-30 at 08:27 AM.
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2011-12-30, 08:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
Incarnum feats, the regional FR feat that adds some spells. Sell his soul for extra feats. Add things like martial study. Pay for Craft Contingent Spells and some armours of continous spells (Continous Divine Power perhaps?).
With some opt-fu I think this class can beat a straight Fighter or Monk 20.
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2011-12-30, 09:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
It gains one bonus feat, and if you can get that without meeting the requisites, you might be able to get something good from there.
Also note how, under illiteracy, it's mention that the Uplifted can't even speak without spending 2 skill points... It knows languages, but I assume it just understands them, and can't speak. d3 hp per level also sucks.
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2011-12-30, 09:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
I don't buy it. Anything you could do with commoner 20 could be just as easily done with Fighter 5-8, and I can't think of a single character in fantasy fiction who I wouldn't prefer to stat up as a fighter, a rogue, or at least an expert.
It's well established that an Expert can do this, but only because UMD is so crazy broken.Last edited by gkathellar; 2011-12-30 at 09:11 AM.
Originally Posted by KKL
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2011-12-30, 09:34 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
I don't know that it is...It only gets a single skill point per level, and has a TERRIBLE skill list. Given the bonus feat is limited to what they had pre-uplift, it's not necessarily a win.
Truenamer gets a lot of unfairly bad criticism. It ain't perfect, but you can ignore the truenaming mechanics entirely and the class crushes this one. It also crushes commoner and expert without even utilizing it's core ability.
Normal use of things such as Word of Nurturing and it's reversed cousin are relevant. Gate without xp cost is...a bit broken, but only comes up at 20, as you say. Truenamer should be ranked about tier 3. They can nuke, heal, buff and debuff effectively, but with limited utterance selection.
Also, D&D wiki is horrible.
Gandalf was not a 5th level wizard. Gandalf was a 20+ leveled Gish/demigod. Things you read at the Alexandrian should not be taken seriously without looking at the sources for yourself.
Those are not normal animal/plant/whatever feats. So...he's not going to be able to use his bonus feat on them. This is pretty terrible.
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2011-12-30, 09:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
Gandalf was not a 5th level wizard. Gandalf was a 20+ leveled Gish/demigod. Things you read at the Alexandrian should not be taken seriously without looking at the sources for yourself.NOW COMPLETE: Let's Play Starcraft II Trilogy:
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2011-12-30, 09:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
Originally Posted by KKL
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2011-12-30, 10:01 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
Oh!
The Dandi Wiki,
It Will make you feel icky,
And your hands kind of sticky,
Ooh, They think they're so tricky,
Every Tom, Dick, and Ricky,
On the Dandi Wiki!
On the Dandi Wiki the pages are soiled,
Many good ideas have been spoiled,
With ludicrous crunch they are embroiled,
All common sense has been foiled,
But don't tell them or they'll get roiled,
On the Dandi Wiki!
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And not a shred of re-pen-tance,
There really is just no defence,
For all the crud that they dispense,
I hope this song don't cause offence,
On the Dandi Wiki!Last edited by Ravens_cry; 2019-06-04 at 10:30 PM.
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2011-12-30, 10:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-12-30, 10:36 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
Originally Posted by Tyndmyr
Originally Posted by Bogard, et al.Alefiend, connoisseur of fine fermented beverages
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2011-12-30, 10:46 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
The class works fine as written. I have built chars with this, and they performed admirably.
A medium op(read, not the sort of person who makes wizards with 6 int and no points in spellcraft) Truenamer functions just fine as T3, T4 at the worst. They can perform a lot of roles.
No, the weak point of the Truenamer class is the lack of variety. Very little was printed elsewhere for them(the only specific thing is a single organization), and thus, all truenamers tend to look pretty much alike. Each of them is both useful and flexible, but it's all basically the same build(ie, 20 levels of truenamer) and a lot of overlap on utterances chosen.
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2011-12-30, 11:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-12-30, 11:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
This class is probably just something homebrewed and not meant to be balanced. I'm assuming anyone can just edit the site and add their own class. Shouldn't be too difficult to come up with something worse.
Also, how is that a class and not a race/template?
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2011-12-30, 11:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
It was Rincewind.
The only heroic ability he ever shows is once in his career casting a cantrip. His entire life involves running away from things. And this would seem to fullfill all his criteria for dealing with something.
He starts out running away from robbers and footpads, moves up to running away from Trolls and Dragons. Then he runs away from a godlike Sourcerer, and chtuloid creatures from beynd spacetime. After that, he runs from the lord of hell. Towards the end of his career, we see him running from the beginning and end of worlds, and the rise and fall of species. And a lot of stuff in between.
This describes a level 1 to epic career quite well. A commoner who gets experience for running away from things describe him quite well, I think:)
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2011-12-30, 11:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-12-30, 11:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-12-30, 12:09 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: The absolute worst class of all time (you haven't seen this one before)
My optimization of this class:
get killed by a vampire.
Become Vampire spawn.
You are the best Uplift(probably the only one) to walk the earth.
As for the fluff, I think we found a way for a cat to be beaten by a commoner...if it takes this class.
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2011-12-30, 12:13 PM (ISO 8601)
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