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2008-12-02, 04:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
Moving units within GK doesn't require move (units have no move except during their turn, which is the basic limitation on redeployment).
Edit: We know that units can move from one zone within GK to another off-turn (e.g. Wanda was summoned to the situation room immediately after dawn, which means she moved from the dungeon to the tower during Ansom's turn).Last edited by SteveMB; 2008-12-02 at 04:49 PM.
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2008-12-02, 05:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
If you're referring to the loss of the group A dwagons over the lake, that was a battle that he had hoped would not be fought at all, not only because he created the dwagon donut but because the units that had been sent on the dwagon hunt originally were not flying units but forest-capable ones.
Quo vadis?
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2008-12-02, 05:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
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2008-12-02, 05:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-12-02, 05:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
Oh man, I hope Wanda survives this. *nailbite* o_o Ansom's pliers look like scissors in that final panel, with the rather ominous line 'to cut a thread' and the references to Atropos... Awesome page, on the whole.
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2008-12-02, 05:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
From what I remember, the RCC warlords agreed that Ansom would get knocked on his boop but they wanted to try to break through the walls while Ansom was still alive. And I think this is what worries Parson, not the relatively small dent that Ansom can make in the uncroaked.
Also, we don't really know how long it has been since Ansom started his assault. It could be all of five or ten "minutes," for example.
As to movements within the city, Parson says this in Klog #11: "Each zone has its own rules of engagement, but they're all considered part of the city, so we can deploy and redeploy units without expending move.Quo vadis?
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2008-12-02, 05:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
The rules do seem rather flexible. The appearance so far is that Parson can move troops because they are all in the same hex.
So far Ansom has moved into the Gobwin Knob air hex and has engaged ground unit stacks.
From the appearance of it Parson can now choose stacks to put up against Ansom. The assumption would be that the stacks that Ansom initially engaged got destroyed and now the "defensive" stacks on the same hex get to choose who engages next.
The end point would be that at the end of a turn you cannot have opposing forces on the same hex. Either one sides stacks all destroy the others or one side chooses to withdraw.
Normal combat would suggest the side whose turn it is chooses the initial match ups. Rules might then determine which side chooses the next match up. This would be complicated by Garrison rules, rather than open field.
This system uses movement into the same hex. Rather than other games that attack from adjacent hexes.
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2008-12-02, 05:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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2008-12-02, 05:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
First of all, 2) is completely wrong. He's not breaking through the wall, he's holding off a bunch of uncroaked. While ranged whittle away at him.
You're forgetting the difference between turns and tactical rounds I think. Ansom won't last the turn if he stays up there unassisted. Eventually the ranged units will damage the mount and it will fall and Ansom won't have his flying bonus anymore. The number of rounds it takes for him to fall is unknown. But game mechanics wise, moments means sometime this turn, since the number of tactical rounds a turns only ends when a side decides to pass their turn.
So you have to keep in mind that Parson is still thinking in RW terms, but Erfworlders do not. From their perspective, Ansom will fall in moments > this turn whether new units are brought out or not.
I see Ansom falling soon. He's too much the Evel Knievel clone not too. He has a crash and burn incomming. Now that he's jumping over the too tall wall, he's got to fall.....and survive somehow anyway.
I like how panel 8 shows the negative effecs of all those cave-ins.Last edited by ishnar; 2008-12-02 at 05:59 PM.
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2008-12-02, 06:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
honestly, all they need to do is destroy the carpet and flier ansom becomes faller ansom, I think a max stack with at least a chief warlord present in hex /croakamancer bonus/wanda's normal leadership bonuses can destroy the carpet, leaving him to be devoured by minideads
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2008-12-02, 06:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
I feel that's a semantic difference which doesn't really affect my overall point. Parson said they can't hit him, and that his actions (directly or indirectly) are going to lead to big trouble. To me, this feels like a stark contrast to the suicidal nature of the act as expressed initially by the other RCC warlords.
The rest of your post is excellent, and I tend to agree that it might turn out exactly that way. Those arrows in the carpet are a telling point. And once his mount's gone, he's toast.
I'd kinda like to see Wanda and her air force smiting the carpet and then seeing Ansom fall, surrounded by undead, and Wanda strolling up after the fact and picking up the pliers.
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2008-12-02, 06:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
I think Wanda is casting a croakmancy spell, though, not the type she cast for the tunnels, the type that makes people croak. Or at least, weakens the living. I'm kinda hoping that it's not the sort of croakmancy that is going to make her croak as well. Unfortunatly she'd probably do that, if she thought that it was what duty required.
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2008-12-02, 06:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
Interesting. Wanda has definitely stuck her staff in between the jaws of the Arkenpliers.
Maybe Ansom's trying to crush her head (I'm crushing your head! Crush! Crush! Crush!), is he going to be able to break Wanda's staff or has she successfully blocked his attack with it?Self portrait: @
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2008-12-02, 06:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
It may be that they expect that Ansom will quickly bite the dust if left to Parson's devices. Maybe they don't really expect the uncroaked to be all that effective, but Parson has proven that he is dangerous enough to bring a few surprises to bear.
Likewise, if Parson were to leave Ansom alone, he would expect Ansom to render them strategically ineffective in short order.Last edited by LurkerInPlayground; 2008-12-02 at 06:57 PM.
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2008-12-02, 07:01 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
Well one thing I have to say is that this comic is more and more developing into Real Time Tactics rather then standard TBS.
Anyways to actually answer this question in TBS terms basically all tbs games during the overworld map you can only move when its your turn. However when another opponent initiates combat you move into the combat map which is generally a zoomed in version of the hex that is contested. So now you in a hex which breakes down into more hexes and both parties are allowed to move depending on the ruleset. This can either be both teams are allowed to move their entire army once then end turn and the other goes or its based on an initiative score.
The initiative score is just bascially a counter for who goes first. For example I have 3 units called A, B ,C who has initiative of 5,3,4 respectively. So A moves first then C then B.
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2008-12-02, 07:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
The avenging angel swoops in for the kill. Though I have a feeling neither one of them will be dead in the next couple of pages -- for plot reasons more than game mechanics, but perhaps both. I wasn't expecting her to engage him in physical combat!
Here's the text of Wanda's verse, typed out simply because I enjoyed it (afaik it's original):
Code:Rejoice. Despair. Fate does not care. Each knotted mind entwined. Each soul, another's bind. And blind, though we are led, In time, we do know when To cut a thread!
And a bit of digging around in poetry terminology suggests that this might be called a good example of Skeltonic verse.Last edited by jtheory; 2008-12-02 at 07:36 PM. Reason: format tweak, minor content tweak
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2008-12-02, 08:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
Whoo doggies! Wanda's going to boop that boy up bigtime! If those are, indeed, Webinar & Dora on the other mounts, when they close, that will most likely give Ansom a bad case of shock & dismay ("Oh! My Friend! What has my hubris cost you . . .), which would leave him open to some kind of magical attack from Wanda or Jaclyn the Necrophiliac Dream Girl. (BTW, I'll bet you didn't know that if a necrophiliac impregnates his victim, the results are a dead issue . . . And, of course, it makes you wonder when Wanda says she's going out for a stiff one . . .)
One thing I've been wondering, though . . . some of the Archons are still dressed in the dance-fighting pink poodle skirts & bobbed hair . . . more than enough time has passed for them to get back into uniform, or are they still expecting to engage in dance-fighting? I would also take it from the raspberry that the one Archon is giving Parson and the expression of the one in panel#3 that they are hacked with him for being responsible for the croaking & uncroaking of one of their own. If so, that may be a foreshadowing of them wanting to get even with Parson later on . . .The Truth Will Set You Free. But First, It Will Piss You Off.
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2008-12-02, 08:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
On one hand, Ansom still has those Arkenpliers. And he hasn't taken a wound yet.
On the other hand, those Uncroaked with Wanda are likely pretty powerful, and Wanda isn't getting turned to dust. Ansom now has to fend off these attackers as well as the minor Uncroaked on the walls.
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2008-12-02, 08:44 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
Hey I had a thought... we don't know ANY of the requirements for attunement. Could Wanda attune to the pliers mid-combat, and have them blast Ansom to bits?
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2008-12-02, 09:00 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
Musing about some possible outcomes:
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1. Wanda falls to a heavily wounded Ansom, only to be uncroaked by some contingent spell she'd prepared. Once arisen, she croaks Ansom and attunes the arkenpliers, which maintain her in her state perpetually.
2. Wanda kills Ansom and uncroaks him, at which point he attunes to the arkenpliers himself, and becomes a death knight-like unique permanent uncroaked unit under Wanda's incomplete control.
3. Wanda is on the ropes and Stanley shows up to save the day in a fairly nuanced Big Damn Hero saves Damsel In Distress scenario.
2 and 3 wouldn't be mutually exclusive...
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2008-12-02, 09:18 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
Well, I used to look forward for those battles between major characters, not anymore. The way stanley's last battle ended makes me feel certain that this wanda x ansom clash will be hardly important. I mean, even if something meaningfull happens, the expectancy is low.
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2008-12-02, 09:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
I really do not see Ansom dying here. He's Evel Knievel, and Evel Knievel never died from his stunts. However, since he has pulled off a few successful stunts, he's due for a failure and a bunch of broken bones. But not death. I see his carpet getting totaled though. I can see his broken body at the bottom of the wall, tears comming from his eyes as he crys "My New Carpet!, my dad is going to KILL ME!" :P
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2008-12-02, 09:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
It would be interesting if Charlie finally got the pliers the moment Stanley returned to Knob, given Stanley's distrust towards Charlie.
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2008-12-02, 09:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
Wanda seems to resent the implication that she knows anything about troops or combat (though I think she does). Parson's Klog #4. For my own part I foresee Wanda killing Ansom quickly, perhaps by a direct blow, or by knocking him off his carpet into the teeming masses of uncroaked below, while seizing the Arkenpliers. It also wouldn't surprise me if she attuned to them, thus becoming the mightiest Croakamancer in Erfworld.
My reasons for thinking these things is: to truly win the Battle for Gobwin Knob, Parson has to win decisively. An eked out, barely won victory won't do, or else the RCC will just regroup and try again. It has to be a shattering victory, both in moral and material terms so the RCC breaks up and slinks away home. A good step toward such a victory is killing the leader of the RCC. I'd be disappointed if it didn't happen simply for plot purposes.
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2008-12-02, 10:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
"I really hope you can see this Jillian.
Whatever happens...one of your lovers is about to get broken."
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2008-12-02, 11:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
The numbering problem means the RSS feed isn't updated, so I suspect some people won't know it's up.
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2008-12-02, 11:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
"I just....Yeah, hi. Same to you."
i'll never be able to stop laughing again.
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Re: 131(??) The Battle for Gobwin Knob, Page 119
Have I ever told you guys how much I love this comic?
The fact that Ansom is about to be croaked or captured. I don't know what I want to see more, Jillian rescuing Ansom from Tool or an UnCroaked Ansom eating the tar out of JullianMemento mori
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