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2013-02-25, 08:51 PM (ISO 8601)
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"...if not higher."
So Nale's level wouldn't give the exact level of Elan, but it would give an upper limit. Though I do personally think they are of equal level.Last edited by Gift Jeraff; 2013-02-25 at 09:08 PM.
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2013-02-25, 09:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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It's been explicitily show that not all members of the OotS level up at the same time. Even if they happen to all be at the same level right now, they haven't been throughout the whole story.
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In the context of a story, rather than in gameplay, if the author decides that a character has seen his teammate casts a specific spell before, and recognizes it, then the character does so.
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2013-02-26, 03:58 AM (ISO 8601)
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It strikes me that the Giant is very consistent in which people can identify spells and which cannot. For instance, in the Order, Roy and Haley appear to be capable of identifying them, whereas Belkar and Elan can't. Gannji does, but Enor doesn't either. Perhaps we can infer something from that.
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That's a clear RAW explanation of what happens, then. I don't think that "but The Giant might not use some rule" is a strong argument; the whole point of this thread is to assume that he does follow the rules and see what they might be. You could counter pretty much everything in this thread with the argument "or The Giant might not use that rule", but I really don't see the point in that.
But doesn't every adventurer have a minimum constitution of 3 anyway?
Good catch. The whole business of nemeses aside, in 795 Vaarsuvius outright states that Z is the same level. And Z should be 16, not 13-16, because 860 doesn't tell us whether he's blinded or not, but 862 does.Guide to the Magus, the Pathfinder Gish class.
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2013-02-26, 05:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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Actually I was operating under the assumption that Xykon lost everything not explicitly recovered after he was thrown into the gate and Dorukan's Dungeon exploded. Is that a good idea or should I reverse that idea?
I thought it was only intelligence that had a lower boundary because 3 Intelligence is required for Sapience.
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2013-02-26, 07:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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It was a good idea while they were roaming about, but not now that they have had a base for a few months. We know Xykon spent most days crafting magic object (from the complaint that he can only do 8 hours of such work a day, even though he is awake all 24), and we know he prides himself in protecting himself from damage types. While strictly speaking he has probably lost the original ring, it is extremely likely he has crafted a second one by now, to substitute it.
I think that was a reference to the fact that the lowest you can roll in 3 dice is a 3.
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2013-02-26, 08:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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I agree this is a good hint, but we do not know if they rolled their stats at all. They might be set, there might have been some other system in use (point buy with "going below 8 to get points back", some strange rolling system)... we also have no idea what adjustments after character creation might apply, so stats below 3 seem not impossible to obtain.
While it - very strictly - seem possible to have stats below 3, I doubt that matters at all (if any stat was that extremely low (1 or 2), we very probably would get told it in-comic) and we can set 3 as minimum due to 3d6 gives at least 3.
While the comic does not tell us Belkar's con is that or that high, I think we can totally and safely outrule "2 or 3" based on his performance in fights we saw in the comic.Ser Ilyn, Ser Meryn, Queen Cersei, King Joffrey, The Tickler, The Hound, Ser Amory, Polliver, Raff the Sweetling, Weese, Dunsen, Nale, Ser Gregor Clegane and Chiswyck: Winter is coming!
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Actually, there was one of those giant flame-war-like arguments about whether the ability score requirement depends on the spell's level on the Cleric list (almost certainly what was used for making the scroll) or on the Ranger list (the class that allowed Belkar to use the scroll). Using the Ranger list for this would require 14 wisdom after the buff, leading to a clear contradiction, but a sizable faction (including the person who at the time was maintaining the first post) was quite firmly convinced that the rule was not ambiguous at all and that using the Ranger list was the only correct reading of RAW.
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2013-02-26, 11:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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In D&D, the lowest Intelligence a playable character can have is 3. If you're a half-orc, with a -2 Intelligence penalty, and you roll a 3 or 4 and put that stat in your Intelligence, it cannot be reduced below 3 anyway.
Any other stat can, with adjustments, go as low as 1. A dwarf who rolled a 4 and put it in Charisma? Congratulations, your character has a Charisma of 2. An elf who rolled a 3 and put it in Constitution? Congratulations, your character has a Constitution of 1. A gnome who rolled a 3 and put it in Strength? Strength 1. Etc.Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2013-02-26, 02:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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Quick question re: Elan, probably a typo. Shouldn't Elan's level for Dashing Swordsman be 1+?
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2013-02-26, 04:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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That's a good point... but we know he still has Dorukan's headband and the soul gem, and I don't think we have seen him explicitly recovering either. So I think it's a fair bet that Redcloak somehow recovered all important items when he escaped.
That was several years ago, in 2006, and the way this thread works has substantially changed since then. The first few editions of this thread have a lot of statements like "Hinjo is a competent leader so he likely has a 14+ intelligence" or "Elan has Weapon Finesse because all good bard builds include that feat" and so forth. The thread hasn't worked this way for a long time now.
I would be happy to see statements of RAW as to what the required ability score should be. I don't see any point in statements like "we disagreed about this seven years ago so we must never talk about it ever again".
We don't usually list "1+" because it's redundant.Last edited by Kurald Galain; 2013-02-26 at 04:24 PM.
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2013-02-26, 08:19 PM (ISO 8601)
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Out of curiosity:
In the Belkar entry it states that his character level is no higher than 16 because he is deafened by Durkon's Holy Word.
In the Durkon entry it states that his character level is 15 because that's what's required to deafen Belkar.
Is this an example of circular reasoning?
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2013-02-26, 09:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-26, 10:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm not sure if this is even very relevant to this thread, but could the last panel of 872 be used to confirm Malack has no legs? You can clearly see the feet of other robed characters as the move in a lunging fashion. Granted, Malack admits to having a lower hemline, but it seems reasonable that you'd be able to spot a toe or two.
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RMS Oceanic, I posted this before but since Malack is a vampire his listing needs to show that he has an ECL of at least 19. 8 for being a vampire and 11 for cleric.
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2013-02-27, 03:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-02-27, 11:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, i think that listing ECL can help to show the effective power of a character, beyond class levels, a lot of character have defining abilities that put them beyond in power than some other characters of same level
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2013-02-27, 11:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, It can be easy to calculate(Class Level + Level adjustment + Racial HD), so I don't see how it could be hard to add.
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But she's not in Dorukan's Dungeon anymore, nor does she work for Dorukan, nor does Dorukan's employee exit still exist. I thought the character sheets were supposed to list current abilities, not "every ability the character ever had."
This argument would mean we should list Haley having the ability to fly. See?
(A long time ago? In the Dungeon of Dorukan? The result of a spell someone else cast? Certainly. Now you explain which of those doesn't apply to Celia summoning the employee exit.)Last edited by Kish; 2013-03-19 at 10:02 AM.
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I'm guessing game mechanics that are mentioned, but not seen, don't qualify to be added to the list of sources the game uses? Otherwise, Complete Warrior and Magic of Incarnum should be on the list.
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Strip 873 confirms that Thor's Lightning is a third-level spell, which I suppose reopens the discussion about whether or not it's an analogue for lightning bolt. Also, has anyone been keeping count of how many spells Durkon's cast today? Doing so could help nail down his wisdom.
EDIT: Also, Malack failed to dispel Durkon's mass death ward, meaning he failed a DC 26 caster level check, since we know from the ambush that Durkon hasn't boosted his caster level. Does that say anything about his level?Last edited by zimmerwald1915; 2013-02-27 at 02:41 PM.
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