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Zinc Saucier XIII: Melee madness for lucky 13
Welcome one and all to the thirtenth Zinc Saucier challenge, where Playgrounders come to test their skill in the art of beautiful and bizarre (and bizarrely beautiful) builds. We’re moving, shaking, and doing our thing.
The challenge? To come up with a build that has the same abilities and feel as the Secret Ingredient WITHOUT actually using it!
For the thirteenth challenge get ready to whirl with abandon, from Complete Warrior page 25, the Dervish!
Our challengers will have about 2 weeks to build a complete build from levels 1-20 using a 32 point buy and all official WOTC D&D 3.5 materials (excluding dragon magazine, but including any WOTC online enhancements) with the abilities and feel of a Dervish without actually using any levels in it.
Entries must be submitted by Saturday, 11:59pm GMT, 11 May, 2013.
Contestants will be judged and awarded a score out of 5 in each of 5 categories;
* Innovation (Uniqueness in character concept, race, class, etc)
* Power (How powerful and versatile it is compared to the base class)
* Elegance (What can only be described as how well the build "flows", i.e not using lots of 1-2lv dips, sacrificing flavour for power or using flaws)
* Ingredient (How well the build captures the abilities and feel of the base class)
Presentation would be best in the style of how the iron chef does their presentations, however any style is allowed so long as it is clear on how the build was made.
Recommended style:SpoilerNAME OF ENTRY
{table=head]Level|Class|Base Attack Bonus|Fort Save|Ref Save|Will Save|Skills|Feats|Class Features
1st|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
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19th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities
20th|New Class Level|+x|+x|+x|+x|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities[/table]
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{table=head][b]Level[/b]|[b]Class[/b]|[b]Base Attack Bonus[/b]|[b]Fort Save[/b]|[b]Ref Save[/b]|[b]Will Save[/b]|[b]Skills[/b]|[b]Feats[/b]|[b]Class Features[/b]
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20th|New Class Level|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|[center]+x[/center]|Skills|New Feats|New Class Abilities[/table]
For entries with spellcasting, use the following table for Spells per day and Spells Known. (Spells Known only if necessary, i.e. Sorcerer or Bard, but not Wizard or Warmage). For other systems (Psionics, ToB, Incarnum, etc.) keep track of PP/maneuvers/essentia separately, preferably in a nice neat list, similar to this:
SpoilerSpells per day/Spells Known
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Please do not post details of your build on the board before it is ready, so as not to spoil the surprise for others.
Sauciers may submit as many builds as they want but please don't use leadership, as we don't want to overfeed the judges.
Previous challenges;
A few administrative notes:
Originally Posted by Iron Chef Chairman
This competition is inspired by the Playground Iron Chef Competitions and uses mostly identical rules.
Also it comes with double prize money.
Allez Sauciers!Last edited by mattie_p; 2013-05-02 at 10:49 AM.
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Last edited by dysprosium; 2013-04-14 at 06:46 PM.
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2013-04-14, 06:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XIII: Melee madness for lucky 13
... This PrC has been obsolete for so long.
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2013-04-15, 08:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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2013-04-16, 12:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Still going? I've got a neat idea, so I'll enter this time.
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2013-04-17, 07:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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I have an entry in the works, who do I submit it to.
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2013-04-17, 08:14 AM (ISO 8601)
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2013-04-17, 10:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XIII: Melee madness for lucky 13
Hmmm...Dervish is one of my favorite PrC. I may have to throw an entry together, should time allow.
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2013-04-28, 11:59 PM (ISO 8601)
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OK, due to unforseen circumstances, I am extending the contest an additional two weeks. The new deadline is 11 May 2013.
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2013-04-29, 12:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Zinc Saucier XIII: Melee madness for lucky 13
How do you feel about fractional bab/saves? "Okay, but lacking elegance?"
I've got a build that is legal without fractional, but it would get slightly higher saves and bab with fractions.
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Is there a high penalty for not including a lot of fluff/backstory for the character?Last edited by herrhauptmann; 2013-04-29 at 07:17 PM.
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2013-04-29, 07:20 PM (ISO 8601)
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So submission number two is in. A little more than one week left until the extended deadline. Deadline was extended due to the recent outage, as well as my upcoming move into an apartment.
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I honestly cant think of a build for this challenge. Tried wracking the brain. So I look forward to seeing the entries and seeing what they pulled off.
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2013-05-02, 11:27 AM (ISO 8601)
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Really? Maybe I should post my build to show you what I was talking about earlier, Callin.
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Yea I just could not think of ways to emulate the SI.
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Submitted my build for this contest.
Good luck everyone.Chairman emeritus for Zinc Saucier.
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Put mine in the other day.
I hope the submissions are put up soon.
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I'll have them up shortly. Probably an hour early or so, I have a game tonight and need to get them up beforehand. I'll be too tired after. 4 Entries so far.
EDIT: Time to get ready to go. Here are the four entries. Please refrain from posting until we're done.Last edited by mattie_p; 2013-05-11 at 04:43 PM.
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Singing and dancing a lullaby...
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Who was that again? Well, it's tricky...
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A
sublimebarbaric dancer.
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A sage of the dance.
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Those are all four. Begin discussion, but preferably without revealing your own entry. Allez judges!
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Who are the judges?
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Sure Will. If I can get the particulars of what im judging.
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Well, Dervish is in Complete Warrior. If you have access to that, you can judge. The "Use of Secret Ingredient" component is comparing the class features the various entries have cobbled together, and seeing what they have obtained and what was missed. The rest of it is basically the same judging Iron Chef gets.
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I am very interested to see how this turned out.
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