ABR Discussion Thread XVI: Matters of Futures Imperfect

[BRC]

Rob and Jack is updated, for those of you who read.


People lying down are easier than people sitting, though only if you cheat.

[chriky]

@Mechafox - Are you gonna post a comic with us actually escaping rather than playing games.

[Nameless]

Gremlin, do you realise that MM is already on land with us?

@PK: Hurray! I have a theme tune!

[Fay Graydon]

so what... were picking theme tunes for each other now?
lawl

EDIT: whos doing the next comic?

[chriky]

Can anyone think of a way of escaping the Vandetta that's easy to draw.

[Threeshades]

Can anyone think of a way of escaping the Vandetta that's easy to draw.

escape pod.

[Fay Graydon]

teleportation is also easy...
you could say the plot shields were taken down as your explanation

[Emperor Ing]

Can anyone think of a way of escaping the Vandetta that's easy to draw.

Escape through the giant holes in the top of the ship?

[chriky]

escape pod.

what would that look like?

[Threeshades]

what would that look like?

a red ball.

[Fay Graydon]

a red ball.

*snigger*

[Threeshades]

*snigger*

[Fay Graydon]

hehe sorry, You saying "Red Ball" make me think of something else.



No NOT THAT! >.<

[Mina Kobold]

Have we even seen Salmon getting send to the future. If not he (non cyborg Salmon) could come and attack the shades in the last moment and that sends them to an alternative world each. This would mess up Salmons memory so he think he was send by Threeshades.

By the way the ningas live in another world but come from Avbaroy. They just live in a Demi-plane filled with a good and friendly darkness.

[Mad Mask]

Have we even seen Salmon getting send to the future. If not he (non cyborg Salmon) could come and attack the shades in the last moment and that sends them to an alternative world each. This would mess up Salmons memory so he think he was send by Threeshades.

We did see him being send to the future. In the big battle on the beach of Salmonville, Threeshades teleported away with him and sent him to the future, where he developed a time machine.

[Fay Graydon]

By the way the ningas live in another world but come from Avbaroy. They just live in a Demi-plane filled with a good and friendly darkness.

*sigh* i wish i never used that word now....
i mean you actually turned it into a species?

[Threeshades]

We did see him being send to the future. In the big battle on the beach of Salmonville, Threeshades teleported away with him and sent him to the future, where he developed a time machine.

actually he was on the plane of snakes first.

[Green-Shirt Q]

Claim to have robbed a Q?

You can't rob a Q. Except for my Qs, because they're basically powerless these days except for a few small tricks. You could probably rob them if you tried to.

But a Q powered up? Good luck with that. He or she may give you something willingly, though.

[Mad Mask]

actually he was on the plane of snakes first.

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Ah. But since it had little to no canon relevance, I must have forgotten about it.
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What was the date (After Cataclysm) when Salmon arrived in the future ? In the comic it says 5340 AD, but since we do not use AD and it's in a very long time (Ins should be dead by then), I think it's not 5340 AC.

[Threeshades]

That's about right, yes.

[Kazul]

And what if...

...we all got it wrong? I mean, future Salmon saw Igon like old man being responsible for living hell in the future, right? Then, back in present times, he was convinced into believing that wasn't Lying, but Ins, guy being known of having really bad intentions and generally being an *******. But what if it wasn't like that? What if the actions of Igon Minoblendy - especially founding ALF and active fighting with sovice regime - led directly or indirectly to future havoc and deaths of millions? That (and our chars being unaware of that) would make Future Imperfect not only extremely sad and epic but also very tragic (in the classic definition of tragic, Oedipus style, that is).

Plus, about the Shades and UNA and who-is-more-ass-kicking-thing. How exactly did Salmon discover the face of man being responsible for the pain of future people? Because you know, if he was told it from gossips or even read that in ancient newspapers, I mean everything other than sth givig 100% certainty, like uber magic or asskicking technology, then that could be just another effect of sovice propaganda. "Oh noes, we are having are butts kicked by Shades, what shall we do?! Well, lets hide the existence of them, put entire blame on these resistance guys, and get the hell out of this planet, leaving the UNA alone".

Or something.

[Mad Mask]

Very interesting Kazul. I actually like that idea. It would be great if the Resistance realized that (maybe they encountered a space-time anomaly ?) and had to make massive problems. However, in Salmon's alternate timeline, he said that the "bearded man" had green eyes. It could be handwaved away by saying that Igon made clones out of Ins to survive, since his old body was getting too weak for him, with the poisoning and all.

The Shades were defeated in Salmon's alternate timeline. They simply did not have all that Plot Shielding™ and New Powers As The Plot Demands™.

[Threeshades]

Very interesting Kazul. I actually like that idea. It would be great if the Resistance realized that (maybe they encountered a space-time anomaly ?) and had to make massive problems. However, in Salmon's alternate timeline, he said that the "bearded man" had green eyes. It could be handwaved away by saying that Igon made clones out of Ins to survive, since his old body was getting too weak for him, with the poisoning and all.

The Shades were defeated in Salmon's alternate timeline. They simply did not have all that Plot Shielding™ and New Powers As The Plot Demands™.

They aren't all that new

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[Mad Mask]

They aren't all that new

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My point still stands. The Shades have an extremely thick plot armour compared to other characters (and other major antagonists of different media), but they did not have it in Salmon's alternate timeline and were defeated by the Sovice.

[Threeshades]

My point still stands. The Shades have an extremely thick plot armour compared to other characters (and other major antagonists of different media).

when you're destined to be destroyed by a certain being plot armor is obligatory.

[CrimsonAngel]

I got bored and made a banner....

[Mad Mask]

when you're destined to be destroyed by a certain being plot armour is obligatory.

Yes, but the Shades' plot armour is far too thick. Do you know the Witch King of Agmar from Lord of the Rings ? He was destined to be destroyed by a being which was not a man. But he could still be defeated, at least temporarily. The Shades ? Not so much.

[Threeshades]

Yes, but the Shades' plot armour is far too thick. Do you know the Witch King of Agmar from Lord of the Rings ? He was destined to be destroyed by a being which was not a man. But he could still be defeated, at least temporarily. The Shades ? Not so much.

he was defeated by a being that's not a man, wasn't he?

[Bayar]

he was defeated by a being that's not a man, wasn't he?

Didnt he re-materialised in the games ?

[Mad Mask]

he was defeated by a being that's not a man, wasn't he?

Once, he was defeated by Araval, proving that men can vanquish him, at least temporarily. But the Shades cannot be defeated or hurt in any way, except by the hand of Salmon, Leroy and Threeshades.