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2009-02-09, 08:50 AM (ISO 8601)
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Mixing Pigments
In a move that has nothing to do with either D&D or Valentine's Day, I've grown curious:
What would you call the following mixtures?
{table=head]Color|Black|Blue|Green|Red|White
Black|Black
Blue|Navy|Blue
Green|||Green
Red||Purple||Red
White|Gray|||Pink|White[/table]
{table=head]Color|Brass|Bronze|Copper|Gold|Silver
Brass|Brass
Bronze||Bronze
Copper|||Copper
Gold|Ormolu||Tumbaga|Gold
Silver||||Electrum|Silver[/table]Last edited by afroakuma; 2009-02-09 at 09:50 AM.
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2009-02-09, 08:53 AM (ISO 8601)
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Nothing to do with D&D, huh? So the fact that they're all dragon colours is a complete coincidence?
Personally, I'd probably call them a "Half X dragon Half Y dragon"Quotebox
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2009-02-09, 08:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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Do you want actual colour names ("Cyan Dragon"), or good-sounding names to give them in a game world?
{table=head]Color|Black|Blue|Green|Red|White
Black|Black
Blue|Navy|Blue
Green|Forest|Cyan|Green
Red|Crimson|Purple|Eyesore|Red
White|Grey|Cerulean|Sea|Pink|White[/table]
{table=head]Color|Brass|Bronze|Copper|Gold|Silver
Brass|Brass
Bronze||Bronze
Copper|||Copper
Gold|||Tumbaga|Gold
Silver|||Sterling|Electrum|Silver[/table]
The metallics are a bit tricky since brass and bronze are both alloys of copper to start with...Last edited by kamikasei; 2009-02-09 at 09:04 AM.
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Brass + Gold = Ormolu
Gold + Silver = Electrum (obv.)
@kamikasei: "Eyesore"?Last edited by bosssmiley; 2009-02-09 at 09:09 AM.
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2009-02-09, 09:11 AM (ISO 8601)
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Haha, the Eyesore Dragon, I want to see that!
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2009-02-09, 09:21 AM (ISO 8601)
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I thought red and green made brown?
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2009-02-09, 09:43 AM (ISO 8601)
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Concurred w/brown. Updated the table of things that have nothing to do with dragons getting it on for the fourteenth.
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Green/black = pine, hunter green, or forest green.
Red/black = maroon.
Blue/green = teal or torquiose
Blue/white = sky blue / azure
Green/red = brown (although if you're doing additive mixing they form yellow)
Green/white = Oxidized copper?
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2009-02-09, 11:15 AM (ISO 8601)
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Being an RGB fanatic, I say Red+Green=Yellow. Also, Green+Blue=Cyan, and Red+Blue=Magenta (fear the Magenta Dragon!). If you add White, it's "light" before the other color, and Black becomes "dark" (for example, the Dark Blue Dragon).
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2009-02-09, 12:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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{table=head]Color|Black|Blue|Green|Red|White
Black|Black | Jet | Obsidian | Garnet | Moonstone
Blue|Jet|Blue|Turquoise|Amethyst|Sapphire
Green| Obsidian| Turquoise| Green| Jasper| Emerald
Red| Garnet| Amethyst| Jasper| Red| Quartz
White| Moonstone| Sapphire| Emerald| Quartz| White[/table]
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2009-02-09, 12:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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I'm trying to avoid "Navy," as that's largely derived from... well, obviously, there's no "navy blue" in D&D.
How about "ultramarine?"
Also, "N Green" is really what we're trying to avoid here. Someone's going to stare at the intimidating lizard, trying to figure out if "Dark" was merely an adjective or actually indicative of a subspecies.Need a place to hang? Like Discord? Don't mind dealing with a capricious demon lord? Then you're welcome to join our LGBTQ+ friendly, often silly, very geeky server to discuss food, music, video games, tabletop, and much more.
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2009-02-09, 12:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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"Watch out Bill, a dark Green Dragon is attacking!"
"Oh Gods no!...wait, did you say Dark Green, or dark, green?"
"What are you talking about? I said dark green! Run!"
"Well, if it's a dark, Green Dragon it'll be immune to acid, but if it's a Dark Green Dragon it won't be."
"You're insane!" *flees*
"But I've got all this acid over here, and I need to know if I can use it to kill it or not!" *Bill is eaten by a Green Dragon of unknown shading.*
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2009-02-09, 02:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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*takes another stab at it*
{table=head]Color | Black | Blue | Green | Red | White | Brass | Bronze | Copper | Gold | Silver
Black | Black | Jet | Obsidian | Garnet | Moonstone | Zinc | Patina | Durestral | Coal | Adamantine
Blue | Jet | Blue | Turquoise | Amethyst | Sapphire | Lapis | Tanzanite | Alexandrite | Mudstone | Argryric
Green | Obsidian| Turquoise | Green | Jasper | Emerald | Aquamarine | Bloodstone | Malachite | Chrysoprase | Jade
Red | Garnet | Amethyst | Jasper | Red | Sardonyx | Gunmetal | Coral | Amber | Ruby | Sunstone
White | Moonstone | Sapphire | Emerald | Sardonyx | White | Chrysoberyl | Topaz | Citrine | White Gold | Platinum
Brass | Zinc | Lapis | Aquamarine | Gunmetal | Chrysoberyl | Brass | Chalcedony | Quartz | Agate | Mithril
Bronze | Patina | Tanzanite | Bloodstone | Coral | Topaz | Chalcedony | Bronze | Tin | Tourmaline | Hematite
Copper | Durestral | Alexandrite | Malachite | Amber | Citrine | Quartz | Tin | Copper | Tumbaga | Sterling
Gold | Coal | Mudstone | Chrysoprase | Ruby | White Gold | Agate | Tourmaline | Tumbaga | Gold | Electrum
Silver | Adamantine | Argryric | Jade | Sunstone | Platinum | Mithril | Hematite | Sterling | Electrum | Silver[/table]
True Dragons are bolded. Pseudotrue dragons (those that can breed only with their own species (to produce the same type) or their parent species (to produce the parent's type)) are italicized. Other dragons are only fertile when breeding with their own types.Wiki - Q&A - FB - LIn - Tw
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2009-02-09, 02:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Impressive table, Fax!
The only problem is that several of your choices are actual gem dragons (amethyst, emerald, sapphire). Also, why did you go for "White Gold" instead of "Platinum" or "Palladium?"
Well, you've all given me enough to go off with. If only I were actually going somewhere with this, like some sort of bizarre dragon crossbreed thing for Valentine's Day... yeah, if only...Need a place to hang? Like Discord? Don't mind dealing with a capricious demon lord? Then you're welcome to join our LGBTQ+ friendly, often silly, very geeky server to discuss food, music, video games, tabletop, and much more.
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2009-02-09, 03:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Sorry; I was raised on the 2.5 Monstrous Manual (which, ironically, looked less monstrous by far than 3.5's Monster Manual) and believe that all dragons, including mercury, cloud, mist, brown, shadow and yellow, are real.
Because I thought the White + Gold = White Gold inside joke was better than being technically accurate.Need a place to hang? Like Discord? Don't mind dealing with a capricious demon lord? Then you're welcome to join our LGBTQ+ friendly, often silly, very geeky server to discuss food, music, video games, tabletop, and much more.
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2009-02-09, 03:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, you could probably sub in the MM-II Gem Dragons onto the above board with little issue, and qualify them as true dragons simply by merit of breeding true.
And the others you listed? Just find a similar-looking substance and swap something in (say, hematite for mercury, yellow for topaz, shadow for durestral, etc).Wiki - Q&A - FB - LIn - Tw
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2009-02-09, 03:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Just one question, Fax: why did you go with substances for all of them?
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2009-02-09, 05:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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This is what a little bit of browsing Wikipedia's list of alloys uncovered
{table=head]Color|Brass|Bronze|Copper|Gold|Silver
Brass|Brass
Bronze|Gunmetal|Bronze
Copper|Gilding|Florentine|Copper
Gold|Pinchbeck|Ormolu|Tumbaga|Gold
Silver|Chinese|Corinthian|Billon|Electrum|Silver[/table]
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Billon
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gilding_metal: a descriptive rather than named name.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ormolu Moved from Brass to Bronze
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gunmetal
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pinchbeck_(alloy): looks like gold, but contains none. Also uses a RL name, but plausible
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Florentine_bronze: Needs more copper. Contains the name of a RL place, but plausible
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Corinthian_bronze: Composition guessed from description, no sample exists. Contains the name of a RL place, but plausible
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chinese_silver:Has much more nickel and cobalt than silver. Very obviously RL.
Perhaps the proper nouns can be replaced with well racial names. So Florentine=Elvish, Corinthian=Dwarfs (just because they need to have an alloy), and Chinese=Kobold's (or Goblin's). Pinchbeck is probably okay, but I guess Bigby, Mordenkainen, Elminster, Robilar, Tenser, Vecna, Nystul, Otiluke, Rary, Drawmij, Otto, Andrui, or Bubka might be acceptable substitutes (I vote Tenser, because perhaps is disk is so made).
EDIT: Perhaps my table could be integrated into Fax's if we decide to let chromatic and monochromatic dragons breed. Also, Come to think of it, if we substitute RL proper nouns for D&D ones there will be no telling what we mean to refer to.Last edited by Prometheus; 2009-02-09 at 05:11 PM.
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*sigh* They would have RL names.
Alright, for the prismatic... things... the only ones I'm really pressed on are black/green and green/white.
Stupid green.Need a place to hang? Like Discord? Don't mind dealing with a capricious demon lord? Then you're welcome to join our LGBTQ+ friendly, often silly, very geeky server to discuss food, music, video games, tabletop, and much more.
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2009-02-09, 07:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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The dreaded salad dragon?
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2009-02-09, 07:38 PM (ISO 8601)
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Pine? Spruce, maybe?
Um. Light-green or white-green things... That's a fairly uncommon color in nature, unfortunately, and most of the things people produce aren't something they'd be likely to name their dragons after.
Envy Dragons, maybe? That's traditionally associated with the color green. Maybe they're even more obsessively covetous than other dragon species!
...I'd go with Evergreen or Sage, myself. Moss, Celadon, and Tea are some shades of green that wikipedia gives that are towards the whiter end of the scale.
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2009-02-09, 07:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Black/Green: "Huntergreen" or "Viridian"
White/Green: "Celadon" or "Harlequin"
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2009-02-10, 10:35 AM (ISO 8601)
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Well, here's what I've decided on for the final chromatic... nothings.
{table=head]Color|Black|Blue|Green|Red|White
Black|Black
Blue|Ultramarine|Blue
Green|Obsidian|Teal|Green
Red|Crimson|Purple|Olive|Red
White|Gray|Azure|Celadon|Pink|White[/table]Need a place to hang? Like Discord? Don't mind dealing with a capricious demon lord? Then you're welcome to join our LGBTQ+ friendly, often silly, very geeky server to discuss food, music, video games, tabletop, and much more.
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