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Re: Warhammer 40k III - Hats for the Hat Throne
Although technically correct, I don't think that counts either For the record, my army list goes:
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After kitting out the Grandmaster and Brother-Captain with wargear and psychic powers, it's as near 1000 points as I can afford to spend on models at the momentLast edited by Wraith; 2009-08-12 at 06:19 AM.
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The kroot hounds have I5 compared to the I3 of normal kroot. The kroot rifles count as 2 hand weapons for the extra attack, but hounds have 2 attacks base, so they have the same number of attacks. They both have the same WS, STR and T.
Against genestealers the kroot will get wasted because the stealers have I6, against Eldar it will get messy because they both go on I5 (except banshees, but their power weapon advantage is lost against kroot and hounds anyway). Against virtually everything else the kroot hounds will go first. I think you needed about 5-6 kroot hounds to generate the wounds needed to be able to survive the attacks back, and the normal kroot would pick up a few more kills afterwards.
Against anything with I3 or lower the kroot will come out well because of a lot of attacks and a decent WS and Str. They will generally kill enough that their wounds back, even with no armor, is still going to give them a good chance of winning. Without the hounds greater I to lessen the enemies' attacks the kroot will have problems against any other close combat based unit.
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I played a game on VASSAL (awhile ago) where an observer told me "You need Banshee's, you have no CC units," to which I replied that I had Scorpions. He proceeded to tell me how bad Striking Scorpions were at CC. Frankly, the game proved him wrong.
The best way I can think to word it is that Assault Marines wish they were Scorpions. Sure, they have Jump Packs and T4, but between Infiltrate, an extra attack, I5, being cheaper, and the Exarch being way more epic than a Sergeant, do the Marines have hope?
To be honest, I guess it could be taken into account that one is Fast Attack and one is Elite, so depending on which other units you like, it may take up a slot you'd rather use for something else.
(Yes, I know that Banshees and Scorpions have completely different specialties. Just saying that this guy was wrong...
Someone was wrong on the internet. Scary, right?)Last edited by Copper8642; 2009-08-12 at 09:54 AM.
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Considering the love just about all of the Eldar players on these boards have expressed for Striking Scorpions in the past, I don't think anybody here will contradict you.
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For the record, aren't Assault Marines considered pretty sub-par anyways?
Edit: On a completely unrelated note, does anybody else find it... not unfluffy... maybe just... "wrong," that a Space Marine Captain/Chapter Master has higher WS than a Warboss. I think the Warboss should at least equal them, if not totally own (I am aware that his S, T, and A are pretty amazing in themselves, and his upgrade options can just make that better).
On that note, I do enjoy how the Avatar can outfight MOST demons (Bloodthirster still seems like it would take him). "I'm a big angry hate machine, I'll kill you because I'm angry!" "Ah, yes, but I'm pretty much a GOD OF WAR!" "Oh......"Last edited by Copper8642; 2009-08-12 at 10:08 AM.
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From the eyes of someone on the outside looking in, Assault marines only have two things going for them: speed and Deep Strike. Speed can be attained by mounting a regular squad in a Rhino and Terminators do Deep Strike better anyway since you can't assault the turn to Deep Strike in.
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Not really, a SMurf captain is a vetran of a few hundred years of combat, he probably knows every sword trick available and has fought almost every enemy out there a number of times, and won. The Ork wins his fight by being tougher than the other guy and clobbering him into the dirt and taking the returns head-on.
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Yeah. Weapon Skill is quite literally how good they are with a weapon. SMs are highly disciplined and spend absurd amounts of time practicing or actually fighting. Orks win more by outlasting and getting very powerful blows.
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Makes sense, I guess. Da Warboss izn't too cunnin', but 'e's dead killy.
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So I literally got butchered by the orks earlier today. Had a good time but since he was finally able to deploy the green tide he always wanted I was pretty much flushed. I did use the list I posed since I had no time to get any vets nor Kantor. I think it would have been moderately better if I had used the vindicator instead of the termies, since they never arrived as I was completely whipped on turn 4. the shame.
Anyhow, once this marine project is finished which should be quite soon, considering fielding all I have of marines would put me well past 15 I think. But I like to have some nice options.
Anyhow, I think that my next project will be a khornate deamon army. Probably going to experiment with dipping on this one doe to the large same colournes of bloodlethers.
Any suggestions on good list at 1000 and 15000 points? I was planning on going pure khorne as that would be far cheapest money wise, hhorne has the cheapest models that are the most point expansive when taken average.
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Freudian slip perhaps, but yes it was a typo.
1.75 euro/model 16 pts/model bloodletters
4.00 euro/model 15pts/model plaguebearers
Call me cheap but that’s a big difference there. Especially when fielding a full (20) squad.
I do have to say tough that feel no pain is very nice, as is T5. But if I take more then 1 power i would need to get a even split to be satified myself, just fluf wise, and that would cost a bit more considering.Last edited by YPU; 2009-08-12 at 01:46 PM.
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Hey now, that’s not a bad idea. I only need some round bases, I’m savvy enough with greenstuffs and I like the beastmen plastics. I have some around, going to try that tomorrow. Tough they should get a single horn since that’s the pattern with nurgle. Green brown beastmen would also be a viable option for quickshading dip.
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15000point demon list would be a big ask, since the most you can possibly get in a single force organization chart is less than half that.
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Lord of Change, Full Upgrades, 365
Lord of Change, Full Upgrades, 365
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12 Flamers+Bolt, 450
12 Flamers+Bolt, 450
12 Flamers+Bolt, 450
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20 Horrors+Bolt+Icon+Instrument+Changeling, 385
20 Horrors+Bolt+Icon+Instrument, 380
20 Horrors+Bolt+Icon+Instrument, 380
20 Horrors+Bolt+Icon+Instrument, 380
20 Horrors+Bolt+Icon+Instrument, 380
20 Horrors+Bolt+Icon+Instrument, 380
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20 Seekers+Gaze+Icon+Instrument, 375
20 Seekers+Gaze+Icon+Instrument, 375
20 Seekers+Gaze+Icon+Instrument, 375
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Daemon Prince of Tzeentch+Full Upgrades, 335
Daemon Prince of Tzeentch+Full Upgrades, 335
Daemon Prince of Tzeentch+Full Upgrades, 335
6485 points in total.
I'm pretty sure a full Nurgle Daemon army would be incredibly pimp in apocalypse scale games.. Provided you can keep Epidemius safe somewhere.Last edited by Selrahc; 2009-08-12 at 03:38 PM.
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On a whim, I worked out the Eldar equivalent to such a list, and the result was surprisingly close (6800 and change, and a reasonably similar number of models).
Anyone else give it a try? It never occured to me that armies in 40k might be - in points costs - reasonably similar at maximum allocation. Maybe I'm just weird, but the concept intrigues meLast edited by Wraith; 2009-08-12 at 04:52 PM.
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Not using them since I'm currently doing a heavily mechanized force?
Also, guardsmen get eaten by ANYTHING.
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My problem is mostly that these "semi-heavy bolters" are on a platform that's almost as squishy as guardsmen (especially if said guardsmen are in cover, and why aren't they?), while nowhere as numerous (double the price in points, for a starter). But, ah, well, that's probably just me.GENERATION 15: The first time you see this, copy it into your sig and add 1 to the generation. social experiment.
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Chapter Master, Terminator Armor, Thunder Hammer, Thunder Hammer, Melta Bombs, Digital Weapons, Hellfire Rounds, Auxiliary Grenade Launcher, ~ 240
Honor Guard Squad, +7 Honor Guard, Chapter Champion with: Digital Weapons Thunder Hammer, all models have Relic Blades and Auxiliary Grenade Launchers, Chapter Banner 710
Dedicated Transport: Razorback, TL Lascannon, Storm Bolter, Hunter-killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, 115
Chapter Master, Terminator Armor, Thunder Hammer, Thunder Hammer, Melta Bombs, Digital Weapons, Hellfire Rounds, Auxiliary Grenade Launcher, ~ 240
Honor Guard Squad, +7 Honor Guard, Chapter Champion with: Digital Weapons Thunder Hammer, all models have Relic Blades and Auxiliary Grenade Launchers, Chapter Banner 710
Dedicated Transport: Razorback, TL Lascannon, Storm Bolter, Hunter-killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, 115
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Terminator Squad, 5 extra, 2x Cyclone Missile Launcher, 10 Chainfists, 510
Dedicated Transport: Land Raider Crusader, Storm Bolter, HK Missile, MM, Extra Armor, 295
Terminator Squad, 5 extra, 2x Cyclone Missile Launcher, 10 Chainfists, 510
Dedicated Transport: Land Raider Crusader, Storm Bolter, HK Missile, MM, Extra Armor, 295
Terminator Squad, 5 extra, 2x Cyclone Missile Launcher, 10 Chainfists, 510
Dedicated Transport: Land Raider Crusader, Storm Bolter, HK Missile, MM, Extra Armor, 295
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Tactical Marines, 5 extra, Plasma Gun, Lascannon, 2 Power Fists, Melta Bombs, Teleport Homer 260
Dedicated Transport: Razorback, TL Lascannon, Storm Bolter, Hunter-killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, 115
Tactical Marines, 5 extra, Plasma Gun, Lascannon, 2 Power Fists, Melta Bombs, Teleport Homer 260
Dedicated Transport: Razorback, TL Lascannon, Storm Bolter, Hunter-killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, 115
Tactical Marines, 5 extra, Plasma Gun, Lascannon, 2 Power Fists, Melta Bombs, Teleport Homer 260
Dedicated Transport: Razorback, TL Lascannon, Storm Bolter, Hunter-killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, 115
Tactical Marines, 5 extra, Plasma Gun, Lascannon, 2 Power Fists, Melta Bombs, Teleport Homer 260
Dedicated Transport: Razorback, TL Lascannon, Storm Bolter, Hunter-killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, 115
Tactical Marines, 5 extra, Plasma Gun, Lascannon, 2 Power Fists, Melta Bombs, Teleport Homer 260
Dedicated Transport: Razorback, TL Lascannon, Storm Bolter, Hunter-killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, 115
Tactical Marines, 5 extra, Plasma Gun, Lascannon, 2 Power Fists, Melta Bombs, Teleport Homer 260
Dedicated Transport: Razorback, TL Lascannon, Storm Bolter, Hunter-killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, 115
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Vanguard Veteran Squad, 5 extra, Thunder Hammer, 19 Thunder Hammers, 10 Melta Bombs 840
Dedicated Transport: Razorback, TL Lascannon, Storm Bolter, Hunter-killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, 115
Vanguard Veteran Squad, 5 extra, Thunder Hammer, 19 Thunder Hammers, 10 Melta Bombs 840
Dedicated Transport: Razorback, TL Lascannon, Storm Bolter, Hunter-killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, 115
Vanguard Veteran Squad, 5 extra, Thunder Hammer, 19 Thunder Hammers, 10 Melta Bombs 840
Dedicated Transport: Razorback, TL Lascannon, Storm Bolter, Hunter-killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, 115
Heavy Support:
Devastator Squad: 5 extra, 4 Lascannons, 2 Power Fists, Melta Bombs, 365.
Dedicated Transport: Razorback, TL Lascannon, Storm Bolter, Hunter-killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, 115
Devastator Squad: 5 extra, 4 Lascannons, 2 Power Fists, Melta Bombs, 365.
Dedicated Transport: Razorback, TL Lascannon, Storm Bolter, Hunter-killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, 115
Devastator Squad: 5 extra, 4 Lascannons, 2 Power Fists, Melta Bombs, 365.
Dedicated Transport: Razorback, TL Lascannon, Storm Bolter, Hunter-killer Missile, Dozer Blade, Extra Armor, 115
Total 11100.
Edit: Forgot transports for Honor Guard, of course.Last edited by Narazil; 2009-08-12 at 05:13 PM.
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Ad in the lord macragge instead of a normal chapter master and you can ad another good 1500 to that as well.
EDIT @^ I lied, i already started on one and it seems to work out nicely right now. plasticard triangle blades work wonders here as well, they really point out what your going for. I might actually put up some pics tomorrow if it turn out ok.Last edited by YPU; 2009-08-12 at 05:19 PM.
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Okay, let's see... I'll do it for Chaos Space Marines:
Technically, each of the Land Raiders and Rhinos could also have additional armour for 15 points, since it is not exclusive with daemonic possession, but since it would be perfectly pointless, I didn't count that. It's only 180 points, anyway.SpoilerHQ
* Abaddon the Despoiler - 275 pts.
* Ahriman - 250 pts.
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* 10 Chaos Terminator Champions, Mark of Nurgle, 10 chain-fists, 8 combi[something]-bolters, 2 reaper cannons - 680 pts.
---attached: Chaos Land Raider, dozer blade, daemonic possession, liturgy of Chaos, Havoc launcher - 265 pts.
* 10 Chaos Terminator Champions, Mark of Nurgle, 10 chain-fists, 8 combi[something]-bolters, 2 reaper cannons - 680 pts.
---attached: Chaos Land Raider, dozer blade, daemonic possession, liturgy of Chaos, Havoc launcher - 265 pts.
* 10 Chaos Terminator Champions, Mark of Nurgle, 10 chain-fists, 8 combi[something]-bolters, 2 reaper cannons - 680 pts.
---attached: Chaos Land Raider, dozer blade, daemonic possession, liturgy of Chaos, Havoc launcher - 265 pts.
Troops
* 19 Noise Marines, 1 Noise Marine Champion, powerfist, doomsiren, meltabombs, personal icon, 19 sonic blasters, 1 blastmaster - 600 pts.
---attached: Chaos Rhino, dozer blade, daemonic possession, Havoc launcher - 75 pts.
* 19 Noise Marines, 1 Noise Marine Champion, powerfist, doomsiren, meltabombs, personal icon, 19 sonic blasters, 1 blastmaster - 600 pts.
---attached: Chaos Rhino, dozer blade, daemonic possession, Havoc launcher - 75 pts.
* 19 Noise Marines, 1 Noise Marine Champion, powerfist, doomsiren, meltabombs, personal icon, 19 sonic blasters, 1 blastmaster - 600 pts.
---attached: Chaos Rhino, dozer blade, daemonic possession, Havoc launcher - 75 pts.
* 19 Noise Marines, 1 Noise Marine Champion, powerfist, doomsiren, meltabombs, personal icon, 19 sonic blasters, 1 blastmaster - 600 pts.
---attached: Chaos Rhino, dozer blade, daemonic possession, Havoc launcher - 75 pts.
* 19 Noise Marines, 1 Noise Marine Champion, powerfist, doomsiren, meltabombs, personal icon, 19 sonic blasters, 1 blastmaster - 600 pts.
---attached: Chaos Rhino, dozer blade, daemonic possession, Havoc launcher - 75 pts.
* 19 Noise Marines, 1 Noise Marine Champion, powerfist, doomsiren, meltabombs, personal icon, 19 sonic blasters, 1 blastmaster - 600 pts.
---attached: Chaos Rhino, dozer blade, daemonic possession, Havoc launcher - 75 pts.
Fast Attack
* 19 Chaos Raptors, 1 Aspiring Champion, plasma pistol, lightning claw pair, meltabombs, Icon of Nurgle, 2 plasma guns - 540 pts.
* 19 Chaos Raptors, 1 Aspiring Champion, plasma pistol, lightning claw pair, meltabombs, Icon of Nurgle, 2 plasma guns - 540 pts.
* 19 Chaos Raptors, 1 Aspiring Champion, plasma pistol, lightning claw pair, meltabombs, Icon of Nurgle, 2 plasma guns - 540 pts.
Heavy Support
* 19 Chaos Space Marine Havocs, 1 Aspiring Champion, combi[something]-bolter, plasma pistol, meltabombs, powerfist, 4 lasercannons, Icon of Nurgle - 560 pts.
---attached: Chaos Rhino, dozer blade, daemonic possession, Havoc launcher - 75 pts.
* 19 Chaos Space Marine Havocs, 1 Aspiring Champion, combi[something]-bolter, plasma pistol, meltabombs, powerfist, 4 lasercannons, Icon of Nurgle - 560 pts.
---attached: Chaos Rhino, dozer blade, daemonic possession, Havoc launcher - 75 pts.
* 19 Chaos Space Marine Havocs, 1 Aspiring Champion, combi[something]-bolter, plasma pistol, meltabombs, powerfist, 4 lasercannons, Icon of Nurgle - 560 pts.
---attached: Chaos Rhino, dozer blade, daemonic possession, Havoc launcher - 75 pts.
TOTAL: 10935 pts.
So, it's quite a bit more for Chaos Space Marines than for Daemons or Eldar. Plus, they could take infinite amounts of further troops, since Lesser Summoned Daemons do not take up a slot in the AOP and have no 0-1 limitation, either.Last edited by Winterwind; 2009-08-12 at 05:32 PM.
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I'll give this a shot. I'm pretty sure that the IG can get some really expensive choices.
Behold, here's what I've come up with:
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Company Command Squad: 70
Power fist and Plasma Pistol: 25
Melta Bombs for the commander: 5
Medipack: 30
3x Plasmagun: 45
Krak Grenades: 5
Carapace ARmor: 20
Camo Cloaks: 20
Astropath: 30
Master of Ordnance: 30
Officer of the Fleet: 30
2x Bodyguard: 30
Special Character: Colonel "Iron Hand" Straken: 95
Total: 435
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Company Command Squad: 70
Power fist and Plasma Pistol: 25
Melta Bombs for the commander: 5
Medipack: 30
3x Plasmagun: 45
Krak Grenades: 5
Carapace ARmor: 20
Camo Cloaks: 20
Astropath: 30
Master of Ordnance: 30
Officer of the Fleet: 30
Special Character: Nork Deddog: 110
Total: 420
5x Ministorum Priest: 225
5x Eviscerator: 75
Total: 300
2x Tecpriest Engineseer: 90
2x Melta Bombs: 10
10x Servitor: 150
4x Multimelta: 120
Total: 370
(The Priests and Techpriests don't use Force Org. Chart slots.)
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3x Ogryn Squad: 390
7 additional ogryns per squad: 21x40=840
3x Chimera with Pintle mounted storm bolter, hunter-killer missile, dozer blader, extra armor, camo netting: 360
Total: 1590
Troops: (Each Platoon is one choice)
Infantry Platoon 1:
Platoon Command Squad: 30
Melta bombs for the commander: 5
Commissar: 35
Power Fist and Plasma Pistol for commander and Commissar: 50
Medipack: 30
Heavy Flamer: 20
2x Plasma: 30
Krak Grenades: 5
Special Character: Commander Chenkov: 50
Total: 255
Infantry Squad: 50
Meltabombs for the sergeant: 5
Commissar: 35
Power weapon+Plasma Pistol for sergeant and commissar: 40
1x Plasmagun: 15
Voxcaster: 5
Lascannon Team: 20
Krak Grenades: 10
Total: 180
5 of these is: 900 points
Heavy Weapons Squad: 60
3x Lascannon: 45
Krak Grenades: 5
Total: 110
5 of these is: 550
Special Weapons Squad: 35
3x Democharge: 60
Total: 95
2 of these is: 190 points
1x Conscript Squad: 80
30 additional conscripts: 120 points
Send in the Next Wave: 75
total: 200
The Entirety of Platoon 1: 2170 or so unless I counted wrong. Since one is a troop choice. I can take 6, removing 125 points from the rest since the first has Commander Chenkov. I can however add 70 after that to one squad, since one can take Captain Al'Rahem. Total cost for all 6 platoons: some 12465 points. I think I might overshoot the target.
Fast Attack:
Hellhound Squadron:
Banewolf: 130
Hull Multi-melta: 15
Searchlight: 1
Pintlemounted Storm Bolter: 10
Hunterkiller Missile: 10
Dozer blade: 10
Extra Armor: 15
Total: 191
There are 3 of these in each Squadron, each taking one fast attack slot unless I'm mistaken. Total for 3 squadrons, containing 9 in all: 1719. I can also add Smoke-launchers and camonettings to each group for a total of 65 more points, bringing the total to 1784.
Heavy Support: 3x Leman Russ Squadron. Each containing 3 of the following:
Leman Russ Executioner: 190
Front-arc Lascannon: 15
Plasma cannon sponsons: 40
Pintlemounted Storm bolter: 10
Hunter-killer missile: 10
Dozer blade: 10
Extra Armor: 15
Adding Camo Netting to each squadron, one squadron comes to 890 points. 3 of these comes to 2670 points.
The grand total of the entire army-list is 20034 points. I believe I overshot the goal by 5034 points.
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The army-list contains roughly 641 models. It'd be fun to try to fit that to just about any gaming table.Last edited by Penguinizer; 2009-08-12 at 05:37 PM.
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There's no limit on "May Take" items, either. So one Chapter Master with thousands of Aux. Grenade Launchers... >_>
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2009-08-12, 05:43 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Warhammer 40k III - Hats for the Hat Throne
On a whim, I worked out the Eldar equivalent to such a list, and the result was surprisingly close (6800 and change, and a reasonably similar number of models).
Anyone else give it a try? It never occured to me that armies in 40k might be - in points costs - reasonably similar at maximum allocation. Maybe I'm just weird, but the concept intrigues me
The two biggest outliers in my estimation are Necrons and Chaos. Necrons lack wargear, whereas Chaos have wargear in abundance, unusual maximum squad numbers and high average unit costs.
Necrons-5145
Chaos-10085
I think the rest of the armies would fall in between those two. Chaos can technically have any number of points, since Lesser Daemons and Spawn both fall outside the force organization chart.
EDIT: Wow. Guard can take a load of stuff..Last edited by Selrahc; 2009-08-12 at 05:44 PM.
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2009-08-12, 05:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Warhammer 40k III - Hats for the Hat Throne
Imperial Guard (no special characters)
I suspect the Imperial Guard will beat 15000. Let's find out...
HQ - total: 1330
Company Command Squad with power fist, power fist, meltabombs, medipack, heavy flamer, plasma gun, plasma gun, krak grenades, carapace armour, camo-cloaks: 210
Chimera with pintle-mounted storm bolter, hunter-killer missile, dozer blade, extra armour, camo netting: 120
Company Command Squad (as before) 210
Chimera 120
5× Ministorum Priest with eviscerator: 5×60 = 300
2× Techpriest Enginseer with meltabombs, five servitors, two plasma cannons: 2×185 = 370
Elites - total: 1590
Ogryn Squad with seven additional ogryns: 410
Chimera as before: 120
Ogryns: 410
Chimera: 120
Ogryns: 410
Chimera: 120
Troops - total: 16140 (!!!)
Infantry Platoon:
Platoon Command Squad with Commissar, 4 power fists, medipack, heavy flamer, two plasma guns, krark grenades: 210
5× Infantry Squad with meltabombs, Commissar, 4 power weapons, plasma gun, vox-caster, lascannon, krak grenades: 5×180 = 900
5× Heavy Weapons Squad with three lascannons, krak grenades: 5×110=550
2× Special Weapons Squad with three demolition charges: 2×55=110
Conscripts Squad with 30 additional conscripts: 200
(total for infantry platoon =1970)
5× Infantry Platoon as above: 5×1970 = 9850
Chimeras for all Command Squads and Infantry Platoons: 36×120 = 4320
Fast Attack - total: 1944
Hellhound Squadron
3× Hellhound with multi-melta, searchlight, pintle-mounted storm bolter, hunter-killer missile, dozer blade, extra armour, smoke launchers, camo netting: 3×216 = 648
Hellhound Squadron: 648
Hellhound Squadron: 648
Heavy Support - total: 2790
Leman Russ Squadron
3× Leman Russ Executioner with lascannon, plasma cannon sponsons, pintle-mounted storm bolter, hunter-killer missile, dozer blade, extra armour, cammo-netting: 3×310 = 930
Leman Russ Squadron: 930
Leman Russ Squadron: 930
IMPERIAL GUARD GRAND TOTAL: 23794
I think IG wins.
Edit: I seem to have been ninjaed. Well, this is useful for comparing how much difference special characters make...
Edit 2: We seem to have arrived at different totals. At least one of us is wrong...Last edited by Bryn; 2009-08-12 at 05:48 PM.
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2009-08-12, 05:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Warhammer 40k III - Hats for the Hat Throne
I noticed at least one mistake. Only Commissars, Sergeants, and the commanders can take Power weapons.
I also forgot a lot of Chimeras silly me. I'll recalculate the total cost and add 2 chimeras to the Command Squads, and 6 to each Infantry Platoon (1 for the Command Squad, and ones for the infantry squads).
This adds another 4560 points, bringing it to somewhere around 24594. I think there may be an error or few around in there, but I think I got everything by the rules.
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2009-08-12, 05:54 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Warhammer 40k III - Hats for the Hat Throne
That's not terribly surprising - Space Marines and Chaos Marines are relatively new Codices, so they're bound to have a lot more models available and accounted for in terms of equipment. I'd expect Imperial Guard to be the same, having had 2 new books in nearly 2 years.
[EDIT] Ninja'd! Imperial Guard are even more scary than I had first anticipated. Look at all those Heavy Weapons...
And here's the Eldar one, since I forgot last time (slightly altered to include transports, which I've only just noticed could be included:
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- Farseer w/Singing Spear, Jetbike, Runes of Warding, Runes of Witnessing, SPiritstone, 'Doom', 'Fortune', 'Guide' and 'Mind War' - (228)
- 10x Warlock Bodyguard w/ Jetbikes, Singing Spears, Spiritseer, 8x 'Destructor', 1x 'Conceal', 1x 'Enhance' - (590)
- Farseer w/Singing Spear, Jetbike, Runes of Warding, Runes of Witnessing, Spiritstone, 'Doom', 'Fortune', 'Guide' and 'Mind War' - (228)
- 10x Warlock Bodyguard w/ Jetbikes, Singing Spears, Spiritseer, 8x 'Destructor', 1x 'Conceal', 1x 'Enhance' - (590)
- 10x Wraithguard w/ Warlock, Spiritseer, Singing Spear & 'Conceal' - (399)
- 10x Wraithguard w/ Warlock, Spiritseer, Singing Spear & 'Conceal' - (399)
- 10x Wraithguard w/ Warlock, Spiritseer, Singing Spear & 'Conceal' - (399)
- 10x Wraithguard w/ Warlock, Spiritseer, Singing Spear & 'Conceal' - (399)
- 10x Wraithguard w/ Warlock, Spiritseer, Singing Spear & 'Conceal' - (399)
- 10x Wraithguard w/ Warlock, Spiritseer, Singing Spear & 'Conceal' - (399)
- 10x Wraithguard w/ Warlock, Spiritseer, Singing Spear & 'Conceal' - (399)
- 10x Wraithguard w/ Warlock, Spiritseer, Singing Spear & 'Conceal' - (399)
- 10x Wraithguard w/ Warlock, Spiritseer, Singing Spear & 'Conceal' - (399)
- 5x Shining Spears w/Exarch, Shuriken Cannon, Star Lance, Skilled Rider & Withdraw - (272)
- 5x Shining Spears w/Exarch, Shuriken Cannon, Star Lance, Skilled Rider & Withdraw - (272)
- 5x Shining Spears w/Exarch, Shuriken Cannon, Star Lance, Skilled Rider & Withdraw - (272)
- 5x Dark Reapers w/Exarch, Tempest Launcher, Crack Shot & Fast Shot - (237)
- Wave Serpent w/Twin-Linked Bright Lances, Shuriken Cannon, Vectored Engines, Star Engines & Spirit Stones - (190)
- 5x Dark Reapers w/Exarch, Tempest Launcher, Crack Shot & Fast Shot - (237)
- Wave Serpent w/Twin-Linked Bright Lances, Shuriken Cannon, Vectored Engines, Star Engines & Spirit Stones - (190)
- 5x Dark Reapers w/Exarch, Tempest Launcher, Crack Shot & Fast Shot - (237)
- Wave Serpent w/Twin-Linked Bright Lances, Shuriken Cannon, Vectored Engines, Star Engines & Spirit Stones - (190)
Total: 7324 points
Technically the Eldar list could be a little bit more expensive (a mighty +40pts, no less!) if all of the Warlock took either the 'Enhance' or 'Conceal' powers instead of 'Destructor', but that wouldn't be particularly realistic because the effects they have don't stack. Either way,, I'm filled with an urge to build an army comprising entirely of Shining Spears and Dark Reapers - that looks like lots of Fun!Last edited by Wraith; 2009-08-12 at 06:01 PM.
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