Ménage à 3 II: Zii's 'Z' Top - Sharp Dressed Girl

[H Birchgrove]

I should go to bed now. No bad dreams after reading this...

... tempting fate...

[Kato]

edit: Oops, that was for another thread...


Uhm... well, Gary is happy... yay? Kiley's missing out.

[Weimann]

Hm, no real progression here, and if there was a joke, I don't get it.

One good thing is that Gary suggested "your thesis" and not "TRANSFORMERS!!1" as a subject. That's progress. Also it does seem that Kiley is interested in seeing him again, from the sounds of it on a friend-with-development-possibilites basis. Sounds good to me.

[pffh]

Well that last panel was pretty much my reaction as well after my first time. And ooph awkward morning afters are...

[leakingpen]

Well that last panel was pretty much my reaction as well after my first time. And ooph awkward morning afters are...

My reaction as well!

[snoopy13a]

The walk of shame can occur anywhere where there are people to see you coming in early in the morning looking disheveled, even if it's only the walk from the person's car to their front door/apartment. Though in this case, given that the characters seem to make frequent use of the mass transit system it's almost a walk and train ride of shame.

It is also identified if the person is wearing clothes fit for a nightclub or a bar early in the morning. Someone wearing sweats and disheveled hair early in the morning probably just went out to run errands. There is also definitely a sexist component to it (the walk of shame is rarely used to describe men)as well as the obvious moral judging. Finally, someone may be doing the "walk of shame" for non-sexual reasons, such as crashing on a friend's couch.

[Morph Bark]

It is also identified if the person is wearing clothes fit for a nightclub or a bar early in the morning. Someone wearing sweats and disheveled hair early in the morning probably just went out to run errands. There is also definitely a sexist component to it (the walk of shame is rarely used to describe men) as well as the obvious moral judging. Finally, someone may be doing the "walk of shame" for non-sexual reasons, such as crashing on a friend's couch.

It is? I've always heard it used for both genders sexes equally.

[John Cribati]

It is? I've always heard it used for both genders sexes equally.

The only "shameful" way a man can have sex is with a relative or an animal.

[pffh]

The only "shameful" way a man can have sex is with a relative or an animal.

What if it's relatively an animal?

That was bad I should go to sleep

[Coidzor]

It is? I've always heard it used for both genders sexes equally.

It's pretty well rooted in the casual misogyny of college campuses as far as I've ever been able to tell, though it's as often used so by women as it is men. Possibly more, because in the traditional setting, it's the women who stayed home or made it back to their own bed that are watching the women who did not make it back to their own beds the night before during the alcohol fueled festivities at a frat house and commenting upon it or filing it away for later gossip or fuel for slut shaming/hatred or x.

And unless it was a major beer goggles incident, a notch on a guy's bedpost is a notch on a guy's bedpost.

[Newman]

Thread hopping. Love this comic. I'm sure someone already posted this, but Gary is amazing for landing two Lonely Island songs all by himself over the series...

Still, let's sing it with him "I JUST HAD SEEEEEEEX, AND IT FEEELT SO GOOOD!"

The other was...


You know, on a first read I though Zii was amazing and awesome, but, rereading it, she's such an insensitive, selfish prick...

[The Glyphstone]

Thread hopping. Love this comic. I'm sure someone already posted this, but Gary is amazing for landing two Lonely Island songs all by himself over the series...

Still, let's sing it with him "I JUST HAD SEEEEEEEX, AND IT FEEELT SO GOOOD!"

The other was...


You know, on a first read I though Zii was amazing and awesome, but, rereading it, she's such an insensitive, selfish prick...

At least she's better than Senna.

[Traab]

Thread hopping. Love this comic. I'm sure someone already posted this, but Gary is amazing for landing two Lonely Island songs all by himself over the series...

Still, let's sing it with him "I JUST HAD SEEEEEEEX, AND IT FEEELT SO GOOOD!"



You know, on a first read I though Zii was amazing and awesome, but, rereading it, she's such an insensitive, selfish prick...

Awesome song. Just.... awesome.

[Newman]

Senna is really being a prick. Flanderization?

[The Glyphstone]

No, that's taking one trait of a character and exaggerating it - the little we saw of Senna before was flirting with Gary. She's not a three-dimensional character who was flattened, she's just a one-dimensional jerk.

[Coidzor]

No, that's taking one trait of a character and exaggerating it - the little we saw of Senna before was flirting with Gary. She's not a three-dimensional character who was flattened, she's just a one-dimensional jerk.

Don't forget she was doing it to deliberately make him uncomfortable when he was obviously emotionally distressed and then flustered from having walked in on them because they were too dumb to lock the bloody door.

[The Glyphstone]

Don't forget she was doing it to deliberately make him uncomfortable when he was obviously emotionally distressed and then flustered from having walked in on them because they were too dumb to lock the bloody door.

True. Okay, so still not Flanderization, she's just an awful excuse for a human being period.

[Mordokai]

Well, to be totally honest, you'd hard pressed to find what you'd call decent human being in Ma3. Gary's the closest, I guess and that says a lot.

[The Glyphstone]

Yeah, but when Senna's sole purpose for being a character seems to be for making everyone else, including Zii, look better by comparison, it gets a little odd.

[Coidzor]

Yeah, but when Senna's sole purpose for being a character seems to be for making everyone else, including Zii, look better by comparison, it gets a little odd.

Well, considering what they've done with Zii, getting her back into sympathetic-ish character territory on her own seems like it'd be a bit tricky.

[Weimann]

We've only seen Senna in three scenes, one in which she was teasingly flirty (and given what Gary interrupted, that's as good a reaction as you can hope for), one where she recruited Sandra and one when she as at work. It might be a bit early to call her a lost cause just yet, 's all I'm sayin'.

Personally, I've no real problem with her. She's doing the model diva thing, exaggerated a bit, sure, but it's comedy. A friend of mine who's worked in the movie business tells me that the latest scene isn't that far from the truth.

[Mordokai]

Yeah, but when Senna's sole purpose for being a character seems to be for making everyone else, including Zii, look better by comparison, it gets a little odd.

Well, considering what they've done with Zii, getting her back into sympathetic-ish character territory on her own seems like it'd be a bit tricky.

My guess is, what Coidzor says is the truth. Somewhere down the line, the authors need Zii back in action(lets face, she's been absent for an awful long time) and they need her to look good. Or at least better. They can't do it on their own, without pulling Mary Sue(bigger one, at least), so they introduce a character who's even more obnoxious than Zii. And bam, we have Senna.

[Coidzor]

We've only seen Senna in three scenes, one in which she was teasingly flirty (and given what Gary interrupted, that's as good a reaction as you can hope for)

...Why would you think that making things worse after being careless enough to leave the door practically hanging open is as good a reaction as one can hope for?

[John Cribati]

openis

*snickers*

[Weimann]

...Why would you think that making things worse after being careless enough to leave the door practically hanging open is as good a reaction as one can hope for?

Well, if I were to picture myself in that position, which is admittedly awfully hard, I'd probably yell at Matt to get that moron out of there because we are busy, or be awfully bummed out and unhappy.

I fail to see what harm Senna has done exactly? She teased Gary, yes. That doesn't seem to have affected him much. In fact, seeing that a hot, experienced girl (for the purposes of this discussion) was flirting with him can very possibly have been good for him, but we've no real evidence for that either.

My guess is, what Coidzor says is the truth. Somewhere down the line, the authors need Zii back in action(lets face, she's been absent for an awful long time) and they need her to look good. Or at least better. They can't do it on their own, without pulling Mary Sue(bigger one, at least), so they introduce a character who's even more obnoxious than Zii. And bam, we have Senna.

Personally, given how little Senna has been in the comic so far and given that she seems to be getting how own comic, implying that her (and Sandra's?) appearances in Ma3 is about to get really scarce, I question this hypothesis. Particularly when it would be much more efficient to, y'know, develop Zii instead.

I think she's just what she seems to be: a diva model who we've only seen the first layer of yet, but who will be developed in her own comic.

[Coidzor]

I fail to see what harm Senna has done exactly? She teased Gary, yes. That doesn't seem to have affected him much.

She made his emotional distress worse at the time and made aggressive, unwelcome sexual advances on him while he was still trying to recover from his flustration at having walked in on the two of them having sex. She might not have done any lasting harm, but causing short term mental duress and exacerbating pre-existing frustration and angst without long term harm is hardly the best result of that situation.

It could very easily have been resolved without harm beyond that to his eyes, but that would have required them to be reasonable facsimiles of adult human beings.

In fact, seeing that a hot, experienced girl (for the purposes of this discussion) was flirting with him can very possibly have been good for him, but we've no real evidence for that either.

Did you forget the bit where she said she had the best of both worlds and he basically saw her genitalia? As far as I can tell, from Gary's perspective and most males who roughly conform to heteronormativity or at least haven't been steeped in progressivist, LBGTA+ culture, the male genitalia invalidate or at least make hazy the whole "girl" thing.

He seemed quite distressed about it at the time anyway.

*snickers*

*grumbleoldkeyboardsandspacebarsgrumblebgrumblemum blerumble*

Particularly when it would be much more efficient to, y'know, develop Zii instead.

They seem to be allergic to developing these characters as opposed to their others though, is the main thing. So they have to have a lot of benadryll and take breaks between doing so.

[Kato]

Hm... I guess I can see why Gary would have been uncomfortable but I don't hold it (much) against Senna... she didn't really mean to be evil, I think. And the diva stick... well, it's a diva stick.
Then again, I don't see the need to use her to make Zii look better since I don't hold much against Zii either.

[Coidzor]

Hm... I guess I can see why Gary would have been uncomfortable but I don't hold it (much) against Senna... she didn't really mean to be evil, I think.

She was purposefully and gleefully exacerbating his condition and discomfit. Evil don't really enter into it just yet, but it certainly weren't benevolent if we're going to dip into that kind of terminology.

And the diva stick... well, it's a diva stick.

Did you mean to say shtick or stick? Because those are two very, very different things.

[Domochevsky]

It is? I've always heard it used for both genders sexes equally.

Meanwhile i have never heard of this concept at all.
(But then again, i've never been to college.)

[Weimann]

She made his emotional distress worse at the time and made aggressive, unwelcome sexual advances on him while he was still trying to recover from his flustration at having walked in on the two of them having sex. She might not have done any lasting harm, but causing short term mental duress and exacerbating pre-existing frustration and angst without long term harm is hardly the best result of that situation.

I'm sorry, I just don't see that. What I see is Gary being insecure around a hot girl. What else is new? I just can't find any implication that it causes him any greater degree of strain than close contact with any other female specimen does, and that's his problem, right? That's what he's got to work on to get a functional sex life.

Theoretically you could be right, of course, and he's more profoundly shaken by Senna than other girls. Those things don't have to show. But from all I can see, that is not the case. Occam's razor and all that.

It could very easily have been resolved without harm beyond that to his eyes, but that would have required them to be reasonable facsimiles of adult human beings.

I'm not saying the situation couldn't have been solved more optimally. I'm saying that it was solved well enough to not cause any shade to fall on Senna. Hell, Matt drops his pants right in front of Gary in that scene, and I don't hear anyone ragging on him.

Most things can very easily be resolved without harm, yet still, adult human beings often fail to do so. This is because most often, adult human beings are not half as rational as they like to view themselves.

Did you forget the bit where she said she had the best of both worlds and he basically saw her genitalia? As far as I can tell, from Gary's perspective and most males who roughly conform to heteronormativity or at least haven't been steeped in progressivist, LBGTA+ culture, the male genitalia invalidate or at least make hazy the whole "girl" thing.

He seemed quite distressed about it at the time anyway.

From what I can see, he doesn't seem all too bothered by it. Yes, he's flustered, but he always is, see above. Also note the little hearts and stupid smile in the last frame. Yeah.

They seem to be allergic to developing these characters as opposed to their others though, is the main thing. So they have to have a lot of benadryll and take breaks between doing so.

Gary is getting some right now, and Zii has also seen some progression. In any case, that's a side track. My main point is that I don't think Senna is being pushed as a comparison for Zii to look good by.

With all due respect, I think there's a tendency to interpret some characters in the worst possible light and to overrate what "real humans" would have done in their stead. I mean, the people in this comic is far from perfect, but so are "real humans."