Metal Thread VI: We're So Kvlt, We Have Frostbite On Our Devil Horn Fingers

[Moff Chumley]

Touche on both counts.

[Triscuitable]

...but not The Eagles of Death Metal.

Not a fan of Metallica bashers, but that is slick enough to deserve a Horatio High-Five.

So Thriller, Dark Side of the Moon, Back in Black, and The Bodyguard soundtrack are your four favorite albums?

Back in Black, yes. The rest, no. And where did you pull that out of? That seemed to materialize out of nowhere. Yes, I like mainstream. No, I never said I liked everything mainstream.

[Makensha]

So guys.

Why is nu...er, 'metal' being brought up in a metal thread again?



< - Absolute hater of nu metal.

Because General Rock disowned them and they asked if they could crash at Metal's house until they could get their bearings and have been there ever since?

Random Song Link WHEEEE!

[Moff Chumley]

Back in Black, yes. The rest, no. And where did you pull that out of? That seemed to materialize out of nowhere. Yes, I like mainstream. No, I never said I liked everything mainstream.

Those are the four best selling albums of all time.

...also, who even doesn't like Micheal Jackson. Off The Wall? Goddam classic. Billie Jean? Unbeatable. Beat It? Unb-

[Triscuitable]

Those are the four best selling albums of all time.

...also, who even doesn't like Micheal Jackson. Off The Wall? Goddam classic. Billie Jean? Unbeatable. Beat It? Unb-

I believe that's called metaphorgotten.

Anyways, I still like those albums, but I'm a classic rock kind of guy. Metal is a passion, but I still like AC/DC, Guns'N'Roses, the Sex Pistols, Van Halen, Judas Priest, ZZ Top, and far too many other bands. But I still love Metallica and Megadeth. My biggest issue is the really harsh, depressing metal. That stuff rubs me the wrong way.

I only got into Metallica upon hearing Battery. That song is epic. But Ride the Lightning remains a favorite of mine forever.

Oh, and The Scorpions forever.

[WhamBamSam]

You have to insult them? If it weren't for them, metal wouldn't be half as popular as it is today. Other bands would have to carry the weight of the genre. You can combat that, but Megadeth wouldn't exist, thrash metal would likely be known as a fad, and too much to consider. You owe too much of the genre to them to even be so inconsiderate. Sure, their music post-Load wasn't fantastic, it was decent. But anything before that?

Oh, and I'm sure the Butterfly Effect would make sure Iron Maiden and Earth never existed too.

Wait, what? You do realize that Maiden predate Metallica right? That's like saying that going back in time to kill someone prevents that person's parents from existing. Science fiction does not work that way.

I honestly think that their influence is greatly overstated. Look at the modern day Thrash revival. Now come up with a list of bands from that movement who are closer musically to Metallica than they are to Exodus, Slayer, or Kreator. I'll save you some time, and inform you that the list will consist solely of Evile. Now look out at Metal as a broader whole. Add in Maiden and Priest on the more melodic side, and Sabbath on the doomy side, and once again you will essentially eclipse Metallica's influence, though you might be able to add Trivium to the list, so that's something I guess.

What little influence they have had has been, in my opinion, largely negative. I honestly can't think of any element of their music that couldn't be have been lifted in a superior form from their predecessors in Maiden and Priest, or their contemporaries in Exodus and Slayer.

...Still more accurate than calling them Metal. I can't explain how much I hate when I say I listen to Metal, and someone goes, "Oh, so you like Metallica and System of a Down, right?" Oh my Lemmy, that just drives me nuts.

Oh god so much this, though in my experience SOAD rarely comes up. Are you still in high school, or do you think it's just something about where you live? Anyway, here's the beginning of an average conversation about my musical tastes.

Person: *Looking at my shirt* So, is Iron Maiden, like, a band?
Me: *twitch* Yes. They're a Heavy Metal band.
Person: Metal... So I guess you like Metallica then?

or...

Person: What sort of music do you like?
Me: Well, I'm a pretty big Heavy Metal fan.
Person: So, what, like Metallica?

It's more than a little depressing.

>suggesting I care about Iron Maiden.
Metallica almost certainly had less of an effect on most of the metal that I like than Black Sabbath, and I'm not a huge fan of Black Sabbath, either.

Screw you. Iron Maiden can't be fought. /hypocrisy

[toasty]

You have to insult them? If it weren't for them, metal wouldn't be half as popular as it is today. Other bands would have to carry the weight of the genre. You can combat that, but Megadeth wouldn't exist, thrash metal would likely be known as a fad, and too much to consider. You owe too much of the genre to them to even be so inconsiderate. Sure, their music post-Load wasn't fantastic, it was decent. But anything before that?

I honestly wish American Thrash had never happened. Pantera and Metallica can go die in a hole. They're really overrated.

@ Sunn 0))): I have no idea what this is but doesn't appear to be anything at all close to heavy metal, let alone most standard music. That's all I really have to sya.

[Whoracle]

[Sunn O))) Link]

The Hell was that?

Seriously, they're all high as a blimp, aren't they?

[Feytalist]

Heh, that's kinda awesome.

I will say that stuff like that is probably why some people don't like Sunn O))).

I don't actually like them, but I can appreciate what they do. It's not for everyone, after all.


Also, why does it feel as if we've been discussing Metallica's merits and flaws for the previous billion pages?

[grimbold]

I honestly wish American Thrash had never happened. Pantera and Metallica can go die in a hole. They're really overrated.

@ Sunn 0))): I have no idea what this is but doesn't appear to be anything at all close to heavy metal, let alone most standard music. That's all I really have to sya.

i disagree about classic thrash
i love that stuff

also on Sun 0))) moff showed them to me Oo
they are amazing!

[Killer Angel]

You think all countries have the same view on music? Japanese metal is a very distinct, especially with the incredibly bizarre "Candy Metal", which is basically what you get when you cross Earth and Hatsune Miku.

Funny.
I've heard the term "candy metal", as referred to something being immediately appealing because of a melodic "sweetness" (so, not necessarily a derogatory term).
By this reasoning, Ancient God of Evil is candy metal.

[Faulty]

...but not The Eagles of Death Metal.

Oh Chumsy. I want you so hard, I want you so good.

Number 1 you ask? System of a Down's Toxicity.

It's not metal, but... that album is decent, yo.

COME AT ME BROS

Because General Rock disowned them and they asked if they could crash at Metal's house until they could get their bearings and have been there ever since?

Random Song Link WHEEEE!

lol

Also, Wintersoul are pretty cool.

@ Sunn 0))): I have no idea what this is but doesn't appear to be anything at all close to heavy metal, let alone most standard music. That's all I really have to sya.

There are some very clearly metal riffs in there, but often times drone skirts around the boundaries of metal.

Funny.
I've heard the term "candy metal", as referred to something being immediately appealing because of a melodic "sweetness" (so, not necessarily a derogatory term).
By this reasoning, Ancient God of Evil is candy metal.

Trve black candy metal.

[cleric_of_BANJO]

I honestly wish American Thrash had never happened. Pantera and Metallica can go die in a hole. They're really overrated.

Oh, I see your problem. You consider Pantera and Metallica thrash. Pantera is groove metal, not thrash. Metallica has one thrash album (KEA), but then veered away. I would even call Master of Puppets proto-groove. Just listen to some of those riffs; they don't sound anything like thrash. Aside from those bands though, the American metal scene was quite respectable. Overkill, Exodus and Slayer were all great in their own way. Also, although nobody seems to mention them, DARK ANGEL were part of the American thrash movement, and I don't want to imagine life without Darkness Descends.

And, if anyone in the board likes Death Metal (which I'm beginning to question, since nobody seems to ever talk about it...) then we can't forget about the fact that with no American thrash scene, there would have been no American DM scene. Death would never have released Scream Bloody Gore if there was no American Thrash scene, and that would have sucked.

[Triscuitable]

You guys seem to ignore Ride the Lightning. That was thrash, but Master of Puppets was kind of Prog Heavy Metal to me, except Damage, Inc.

[Faulty]

As I said before, thrash spawned extreme metal more or less. Possessed's Seven Churches = death/thrash. Early Bathory = black/thrash. Boom.

[toasty]

Getting Metallica is better than getting Slipknot and Avenged Sevenfold.

That is pretty much the ultimate insult.

Oh, I see your problem. You consider Pantera and Metallica thrash. Pantera is groove metal, not thrash. Metallica has one thrash album (KEA), but then veered away. I would even call Master of Puppets proto-groove. Just listen to some of those riffs; they don't sound anything like thrash. Aside from those bands though, the American metal scene was quite respectable. Overkill, Exodus and Slayer were all great in their own way. Also, although nobody seems to mention them, DARK ANGEL were part of the American thrash movement, and I don't want to imagine life without Darkness Descends.

Actually, I don't exactly consider Pantera Thrash, but in my head they're one of these American bands that sound kinda what I think of when I see a lot of American Heavy Metal (that isn't metalcore) and kinda somehow associate it with "Thrash." Which is... yeah.

But Pantera really bugs me. They're not very good, and everyone here seems to love them. Everyone. Even the people that don't like heavy metal. It bothers me.

And, if anyone in the board likes Death Metal (which I'm beginning to question, since nobody seems to ever talk about it...) then we can't forget about the fact that with no American thrash scene, there would have been no American DM scene. Death would never have released Scream Bloody Gore if there was no American Thrash scene, and that would have sucked.

I have mixed feelings about death metal. On one hand, I like Melodeath, a LOT and I love everything about heavy music live. But, on the other hand, I really don't like Death metal. Mostly lyrically (yeah, I find it kinda creepy hearing people talk about gore. I realize lyrics are often meaningless, but that still creeps me out), but musically as well. I understand why Death Metal is important, (and Thrash for that matter), but I don't like them. I like what they spawned.

[Faulty]

I have mixed feelings about death metal. On one hand, I like Melodeath, a LOT and I love everything about heavy music live. But, on the other hand, I really don't like Death metal. Mostly lyrically (yeah, I find it kinda creepy hearing people talk about gore. I realize lyrics are often meaningless, but that still creeps me out), but musically as well. I understand why Death Metal is important, (and Thrash for that matter), but I don't like them. I like what they spawned.

Melodeath is basically loud heavy metal with growls. Anyway, if death metal creeps you out, I suggest you never listen to Ash Pool.

[ex cathedra]

Getting Metallica is better than getting Slipknot and Avenged Sevenfold.

"But, like, dudes, that new Slipknot LP is just so brutal!"

Oh Chumsy. I want you so hard, I want you so good.

This is how I feel all of the time.

It's not metal, but... that album is decent, yo.

COME AT ME BROS

We used to be friends, Faulty.

We used to be friends.

[eyeofsaulot]

...but not The Eagles of Death Metal.

Eagles of Death Metal: Where Josh Homme's bad musical ideas go.

Trve black candy metal.

Ew, I hate licorice.

And, if anyone in the board likes Death Metal (which I'm beginning to question, since nobody seems to ever talk about it...)

There have been plenty of arguments over Gothenburg melodeath vs... well, non-Gothenburg death metal. Come to think of it, though, there haven't been any Floridian DM vs Swedish DM discussions yet.

And I'm currently listening my way through the Death remasters. In short: they're better.

[Whoracle]

Ash Pool.

Funnily enough, nowadays they sound more like an underproduced melodeath band ;)

[WhamBamSam]

Getting Metallica is better than getting Slipknot and Avenged Sevenfold.

But at least in those cases I could explain that I wouldn't consider those sorts of bands the best representatives of the genre without coming off as nearly so much of a hipster douchebag as I probably do when trying to disassociate my metal preferences from the monolithic pop-culture icon that is Metallica.

And that's ignoring the fact that I do actually kind of like Avenged Sevenfold. I got into them as a result of learning that Mike Portnoy had done the drumming on their latest album though, so I still get to keep my metal elitist street cred.

[grimbold]

There have been plenty of arguments over Gothenburg melodeath vs... well, non-Gothenburg death metal. Come to think of it, though, there haven't been any Floridian DM vs Swedish DM discussions yet.

Swedish DM all the way, while i dig some of the florida stuff, the swedis hstuff is really mroe technical and I prefer the bands that it has spawned to those that florida spawned. That said i really dig old thrash in particular Exhorder. Also Dark angel is jazzy exodus!

[toasty]

But at least in those cases I could explain that I wouldn't consider those sorts of bands the best representatives of the genre without coming off as nearly so much of a hipster douchebag as I probably do when trying to disassociate my metal preferences from the monolithic pop-culture icon that is Metallica.

And that's ignoring the fact that I do actually kind of like Avenged Sevenfold. I got into them as a result of learning that Mike Portnoy had done the drumming on their latest album though, so I still get to keep my metal elitist street cred.

You COULD say you don't like that style of music. Like, "I don't like Trash." Or "I dont like American Thrash a lot."

[Faulty]

We used to be friends, Faulty.

We used to be friends.

We're frenemies.

Ew, I hate licorice.

I actually like that album, despite Nargaroth being generally terrible.

Funnily enough, nowadays they sound more like an underproduced melodeath band ;)

wut

That's black metal with a crust punk and death metal influence and melodies that are in line with stuff the band has done before. It's also not a great album.


Never given Floridian DM much of a listen, but Swedeath makes me horny.

[Whoracle]

That's black metal with a crust punk and death metal influence and melodies that are in line with stuff the band has done before.

Yeah, sure. That means early melodeath is black metal with crust and death metal influences, too.

I never new! </mind blown>

[eyeofsaulot]

If we're gonna do this let's do it right.

Old School Death Metal Battle (1987-1995): Florida vs Sweden!

Florida:
Death, Atheist, Cynic, Morbid Angel, Obituary, Nocturnus, Deicide, Malevolent Creation, Cannibal Corpse

Sweden:
Dismember, Entombed, Grave, At the Gates, Therion, Dark Tranquillity, Edge of Sanity

FIGHT! Discuss.

Note: Yes yes, my lists could have been much longer and I'm sure everyone's would be slightly different, but I feel these are the bands that best represent their respective locations. I made that judgment based on band visibility (my thoughts on music quality were not a factor). And feel free to include in the discussion whatever bands you consider relevant. I'll chip in later, assuming anyone has bothered commenting.

[grimbold]

But Pantera really bugs me. They're not very good, and everyone here seems to love them. Everyone. Even the people that don't like heavy metal. It bothers me.

i really dig them

i think that people like them due to their cool combination of Classic/Blues Rock and awesome riffage while keeping a nice southern influence

[Faulty]

Yeah, sure. That means early melodeath is black metal with crust and death metal influences, too.

I never new! </mind blown>

Hey.

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If we're gonna do this let's do it right.

Old School Death Metal Battle (1987-1995): Florida vs Sweden!

Florida:
Death, Atheist, Cynic, Morbid Angel, Obituary, Nocturnus, Deicide, Malevolent Creation, Cannibal Corpse

Sweden:
Dismember, Entombed, Grave, At the Gates, Therion, Dark Tranquillity, Edge of Sanity

FIGHT! Discuss.

Note: Yes yes, my lists could have been much longer and I'm sure everyone's would be slightly different, but I feel these are the bands that best represent their respective locations. I made that judgment based on band visibility (my thoughts on music quality were not a factor). And feel free to include in the discussion whatever bands you consider relevant. I'll chip in later, assuming anyone has bothered commenting.

I will totally check this out later maybe kinda depends on if I'm listening to loads of Sigh. o_o Though I am seriously biased towards Swedeath and am not nearly as much of a connoisseur of DM as I am of BM and also noise.

[Whoracle]

Hey.

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I wonder what deeper meaning those can infer on the eclectic art of ear-cleaning. Though it's pretty clear which boundaries are getting expanded by the extra thick cotton tip

[Moff Chumley]

But Pantera really bugs me. They're not very good, and everyone here seems to love them. Everyone. Even the people that don't like heavy metal. It bothers me.

I don't particularly care for 'em. *shrug*

Oh Chumsy. I want you so hard, I want you so good.

This is how I feel all of the time.

And that's ignoring the fact that I do actually kind of like Avenged Sevenfold. I got into them as a result of learning that Mike Portnoy had done the drumming on their latest album though, so I still get to keep my metal elitist street cred.

Hate to burst your bubble, but Dream Theater is hardly "metal elitist" material.

The Hell was that?

Seriously, they're all high as a blimp, aren't they?

Indubiously. In fact, I have it on good authority that listening to Sunn O))) when yer stoned makes you feel like you're on the Millennium Falcon.

@ Sunn 0))): I have no idea what this is but doesn't appear to be anything at all close to heavy metal, let alone most standard music. That's all I really have to sya.

I find it deeply ironic when metal and punk kids break out the "that's not music, that's noise!" shtick. I thought that was for radio programmers in the 50s.