Warhammer 40K Tabletop XV: "More People Should Be Punched In The Head."

[Cheesegear]

Plus it should be obvious they aren't intended to work that way. Probably.

Common Sense isn't RAW.

[BoSheck]

Common Sense isn't RAW.

Jah jah, I used to frequent the TO and CO boards, RAW is law. Of course we all know that isn't really the case.

It's certainly easier to justify than some of the BS that the RAI crowd comes up with, however...and it makes a nice discussion point, as long as folks can remain civil.

EDIT: Speaking of RAW. I was doing some reading and I hadn't realized until it came up that Ulrik the Slayer's 'Slayer's Oath' (which I previously thought consistently a worse ability than the Oath of War) doesn't specify close combat attacks and merely states Attacks. He still suffers from the fatal syndrom of Not Being a Rune Priest...but might be worth re-evaluating in some practice games as a second HQ choice.

[Renegade Paladin]

The annual GW price adjustment is taking effect at the beginning of June. The owner of the local shop got the notification this evening. I don't have the numbers yet.

[Penguinizer]

Honestly, I think that's going to kill my interest. I already have two armies so I don't think I'll start a new with the prices getting silly high.

[Cheesegear]

The annual GW price adjustment is taking effect at the beginning of June.

Just in time for 6th.
Hopefully 6th doesn't change the game too much, and if it does, let's hope what's already good, stays good. WHFB 8th kept High Elves and Chaos Warriors good. So who knows?

[Penguinizer]

Here's for Chaos Space Marines getting ruleschanged to be horrible just as I finished the army (short of getting non-crappy self sculpted daemon princes).

I'm wondering if they'll pull the ever so classic move of making things that used to be good junk so you'll have to basically start from scratch like they did with the nids to a degree.

[Erloas]

My brother, now being a game shop owner, got notice of the price increase last night. But I can't say more then that because he thinks the email was wrong because it had the price of many of the boxes at a flat, much lower cost. Unless that was a % increase rather then the new cost of the box.

I didn't see the email though, he just mentioned it as he was sitting on the couch last night watching TV and reading his email on his phone.

[Cheesegear]

I'm wondering if they'll pull the ever so classic move of making things that used to be good junk so you'll have to basically start from scratch like they did with the nids to a degree.

I don't know about that one. The only thing they really did was put Warriors into Troops, and Broodlords into Troops. Carnifexes are bad (because 5th is a shooty game, not an Assault game, and MCs don't last long in shooty games). The only thing you really had to do, regardless of your army, was buy a Hive Tyrant, and your army from 4th practically stayed the same. With the addition of some new models - which is what a new edition is supposed to do.

So, I'm unclear what you mean.

[Penguinizer]

I don't know about that one. The only thing they really did was put Warriors into Troops, and Broodlords into Troops. Carnifexes are bad (because 5th is a shooty game, not an Assault game, and MCs don't last long in shooty games). The only thing you really had to do, regardless of your army, was buy a Hive Tyrant, and your army from 4th practically stayed the same. With the addition of some new models - which is what a new edition is supposed to do.

So, I'm unclear what you mean.

The previous nid codex was all about the carnifexes. Now it's all about the tervigons and carnifexes are rather awful now.

[Giegue]

I once played this game. Or tried. When I was little I tried getting into it but could not paint the things to save my life...and since Games Workshop demands that your army be painted to play....yeah. However, now that I am older and will be getting a part time job shortly, I may get into this again, espcially since I have a friend who wants to play too. I plan on buying already assembled, already painted models off of ebay and the like. I know that doing that is far more expensive then just assembling and painting them yourself, I am still horrid at the painting and want my army to look at least ok. However, I want some tips from you. Since I have been out of the loop on the game for a VERY long time, I would like to know what has become of the armies since then, and which choices are good and bad.

I know I do not want to go anything imperial, so space marines(unless their the chaos kind), imperial guard, daemonhunters ect.. are out. Out of all the armies, I absolutely love the idea behind the Necrons. Undead robots is just something too cool not to like. However, if the Necrons have suffered in the time I've been away I'd also be willing to look at the chaos space marines, chaos daemons and even the tyranids. I don't really like the Tau, their too "good guy" for me, and the same goes for the eldar. Dark Eldar just seem meh to me as well despite their evil-ness, and I've never been a fan of Orcs in any setting, including D&D.

So, dose anybody have any advice for me about army choice, given my leanings?

[HalfTangible]

I once played this game. Or tried. When I was little I tried getting into it but could not paint the things to save my life...and since Games Workshop demands that your army be painted to play....yeah. However, now that I am older and will be getting a part time job shortly, I may get into this again, espcially since I have a friend who wants to play too. I plan on buying already assembled, already painted models off of ebay and the like. I know that doing that is far more expensive then just assembling and painting them yourself, I am still horrid at the painting and want my army to look at least ok. However, I want some tips from you. Since I have been out of the loop on the game for a VERY long time, I would like to know what has become of the armies since then, and which choices are good and bad.

I know I do not want to go anything imperial, so space marines(unless their the chaos kind), imperial guard, daemonhunters ect.. are out. Out of all the armies, I absolutely love the idea behind the Necrons. Undead robots is just something too cool not to like. However, if the Necrons have suffered in the time I've been away I'd also be willing to look at the chaos space marines, chaos daemons and even the tyranids. I don't really like the Tau, their too "good guy" for me, and the same goes for the eldar. Dark Eldar just seem meh to me as well despite their evil-ness, and I've never been a fan of Orcs in any setting, including D&D.

So, dose anybody have any advice for me about army choice, given my leanings?

Yes. All you have to do for your army to be allowed is basecoat it (ie, that spraypaint) and show progress when you come in... though it may vary from store to store.

From what I've heard, Daemons are a FUN army to play, but their "deepstrike everything" deployment method makes them very hit or miss. Either they work well or they suck - usually the latter against Grey Knights, but whatever.

Orks are basically the gamer instinct incarnate: they're there to have fun. They aren't good guys or interesting in the lore but their armies are (apparently) a blast to play because everything about them is so ridiculous. (Speed Freeks Paint their trucks red and they go faster just because of the paint. No joke)

Pretty sure Necrons aren't recommended for beginners, but if you want to try it, by all means. Just be ready to lose your first few games >.>

Chaos Space Marines... I know nothing about

[Teln]

From what I've read the Necrons are a solid army, but they had a massive background change with their new codex. Most people took it pretty well, but there's a vocal minority that won't let it die. Also, we're expecting 6th Edition to be released within the next six months or so.

If what I'm hearing about the price hikes is true, then now is the time to buy Space Marine vehicles, especially the Stormraven and the Land Raider family.

[Hootman]

First and foremost, I would suggest you check out the OP for this thread, as it has a lot of useful information for all kinds of armies and playing the game in general. Then, feel free to open this here spoiler for my opinions.

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I know that doing that is far more expensive then just assembling and painting them yourself

The best part about this is that, based on my experience, you are completely wrong unless you want to buy Actually Professional-Grade Paint Jobs. Even buying an entire matching 2000+ point army is frequently cheaper than buying the components, and even if it were to be the same cost, the amount of time you save can be worth many times more if you're the busy sort.

Me, I don't do a whole lot and my FLGS's don't have any painted-only policies, so I take things slow. Anyways, moving on to the army...

Out of all the armies, I absolutely love the idea behind the Necrons.

Again, you are in luck. Necrons were recently updated in both rules and story, and based on what I've seen they are quite good in both casual play as well as competative. They're still undead robots who's general plan involves tearing apart the living at the molecular scale, but some of their leaders now have names and personalities and motivations beyond "Kill everything that exists"---you can take that fluff or just completely ignore it or make up your own tales (Y'know, like all fluff in this game).

They've got a lot of snazzy new models, most of which actually look pretty otherworldly and at least a little imposing, though I must admit I find a few of the designs ridiculous (Command Barges, off the top of my head). Their rules are fresh, and there seem to be a lot of strong options at any level of play below Ultra Serious Super Tournament. So, if you want them, go for it. I doubt you'll be disappointed.

[Zorg]

So... how bout them fliers, eh?

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[Timberwolf]

Just in time for 6th.
Hopefully 6th doesn't change the game too much, and if it does, let's hope what's already good, stays good. WHFB 8th kept High Elves and Chaos Warriors good. So who knows?

My Storm Budgies had better survive this, I just got them looking how I want them.

[Closet_Skeleton]

I won't complain much if 6th ed is just 5th ed with tougher monstrous creatures. Maybe nerf feel no pain to 5+ (I play blood angels with priest spam and see this as fair).

Better medium and heavy tanks would be nice too. Current vehicle rules seem to put too much on 'quantity over quality' while I prefered the days where 'tank heavy' meant three predators.

[Penguinizer]

So... how bout them fliers, eh?

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Behond the might Space Potato.

In all seriousness though. Beyond the potato I like the way the orc ones look. Too bad Chaos gets no love though. I'd love to see some chaos stuff without having to endlessly kitbash. Then again, I don't think I could handle it since I still have a Chimera, Land Raider and a ton of other stuff unpainted.

[Renegade Paladin]

Maybe they just didn't leak everything. I'd wait until something's actually published before jumping to conclusions on what is or is not in the release.

And yeah, the Storm Talon is butt-ugly. Glad I play Guard; Valkyries at least make some sort of design sense. And also already exist.

[Cheesegear]

The previous nid codex was all about the carnifexes. Now it's all about the tervigons and carnifexes are rather awful now.

Actually, Terivigons are pretty bad now. Remember, the meta changes every two Codecies (roughly), and you seem to be playing before Dark Eldar were released. Let alone how much Grey Knights have messed it up. Cernifexes are back to being good, because they walk around with Heavy Venom Cannons and what amounts to a Plasma Cannon.

[Renegade Paladin]

Straight from the horse's mouth. GW just revised the price revision; this version is a few minutes old and forwarded straight from the owner of my local store. Sorry for the messy copy, but I Ctrl-C Ctrl-V'd straight from the Excel sheet.

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[Teln]

Like I said above, now is the time to stock up on SM vehicles.

[Cheesegear]

Straight from the horse's mouth. GW just revised the price revision; this version is a few minutes old and forwarded straight from the owner of my local store.

There's a few YouTube videos up already now. The prices are rising anywhere between 5 and 20%. TWENTY! That's ridiculous, even for me. Again, GW's business model of getting one person to spend $300, instead of six people to spend $50 is infuriating. Look, I realise GW is a company (and so should you), they are free to raise their prices whenever they feel like. The economy collapsing in Europe could have something to do with it. The atrocity that is Failcast and the $-sink that it is could have something to do with it. Releasing more and more kits that don't sell as well as predicted (Tyranids, cough, cough, although it may have something to with releasing them opposite Space Wolves - MASSIVE mistake). There's a slough of reasons that GW could justify themselves doing it. It's just that they wont justify the price increases. All's I want is a representative of GW to come out and say "Okay guys, here's what's up..." on the website or in White Dwarf or something.
Instead, we find out from e-mails to store owners, rumours from Warseer and videos on YouTube (from store owners).

For Australians, and our ridiculous prices, for example, under current prices, a Dreadnought is $US 44.50, or $AU 74. For the US, Dreadnoughts are going up $2. For us (not capitals), I expect an increase of 5 or more.

Remember, kids, $US:$AU is currently 1:1.02. Australians are winning damn it! But we're paying 30 extra dollars for a Dread (that's why I'm actually mad). If this price rise hits us too badly, I might start living on the Forgeworld website, it's still cheap(ish, comparitively).

I can't say I'm going to quit the hobby. Not yet, anyway (I've already got multiple armies which will probably only need minor alterations if Fantasy was anything to go by. Or, more accurately, 4th to 5th Ed.). If 6th makes a big push towards bigger vehicles, say, an alteration to the Melta rule, whilst simultaneously making AV14 amazing for some reason, or another nerfing of the damage table, I might quit, because I'll have no interest in buying 3 or more Land Raiders (which are over $AU 100, already).

[Renegade Paladin]

Meh. If they doubled everything and made it absolutely unaffordable tomorrow, I've got sufficient army to play without needing to add anything else anyway. I want to, but not critically so.

[HalfTangible]

Meh. If they doubled everything and made it absolutely unaffordable tomorrow, I've got sufficient army to play without needing to add anything else anyway. I want to, but not critically so.

I bought a stormraven gunship.

...

Not sure where i was going with that

[Cheesegear]

Meh. If they doubled everything and made it absolutely unaffordable tomorrow, I've got sufficient army to play without needing to add anything else anyway. I want to, but not critically so.

It depends what 6th will do to the game. While I don't expect the rules to require the more expensive models (Land Raiders, etc.) to be competitive, it wouldn't surprise me if GW made it so. The whole point of a new edition is to tone down the broken stuff (Feel No Pain, Would Allocation, Scoring Transports), whilst also making the unusable stuff (non-BA Deep Striking [Daemons] and Land Raiders) usable.

[Timberwolf]

I bought a stormraven gunship.

...

Not sure where i was going with that

24 inches and multimeltaing a tank ?

Feeling that absurd little bit of satisfaction as every single lascannon shot either misses or is eaten by your cover save ? (Ok, that's pretty rare but it's awesome when it happens)

[HalfTangible]

24 inches and multimeltaing a tank ?

Feeling that absurd little bit of satisfaction as every single lascannon shot either misses or is eaten by your cover save ? (Ok, that's pretty rare but it's awesome when it happens)

I meant as a conversation point.

[Hazzardevil]

It depends what 6th will do to the game. While I don't expect the rules to require the more expensive models (Land Raiders, etc.) to be competitive, it wouldn't surprise me if GW made it so. The whole point of a new edition is to tone down the broken stuff (Feel No Pain, Would Allocation, Scoring Transports), whilst also making the unusable stuff (non-BA Deep Striking [Daemons] and Land Raiders) usable.

If they nerf all of the suggested things, tau might as well drop off the face off the universe. The main thing they have going for them is cheap wargear for feel no pain and other useful things, but then you end up with all your eggs in one basket.
At least a far-sight setup could get better in 6th edition, which is what I want.

[Cheesegear]

I bought a stormraven gunship.

Stormravens are nice, but, what really counts is what goes inside. Is it Mephiston's or Sanguinor's Pimpmobile? Nobody is allowed inside except them? Sanguinary Guard inside? Maybe even an Assault Squad or Death Company? Take their Jump Packs off and make it ten with a bunch of Meltaguns and Flame Pistols (but not Flamers).

And, of course, the Dread slot. Blenderdread is almost always the appropriate choice. A double charge from Sanguinor/Mephiston and a Blender will ruin things. If you don't have a Librarian in your HQ slot (Reclusiarchs are good, if you disagree you are wrong. Read the BA Codex again and figure it out), you can put a Librarian in there and set up for nice Blood Lances.

If they nerf all of the suggested things, tau might as well drop off the face off the universe.

You mean they haven't already?

I don't mean that the things I proposed aren't the only things that're going to get changed. When people think of things that are going to happen in the next edition (I've seen it before, and it happens with nearly every Codex...), is that people are always thinking of how the change will affect the current game, rather than the game or Codex that the rule is actually going to be in.

So, for example, one particular rumour is that double strength no longer causes Instant Death. Instead, double strength will cause two wounds, and greater than that will cause three wounds. Partly because people are tired of seeing their 200+ point special character get one-shotted in combat by an untargetable Power Fist. Again, this is not fact. This is just something that I've seen on a reliable part of the internet. People instantly whinge about how stuff with FNP will be completely unkillable because S8 wont cause 'Instant Death'. Well, no. FNP is currently one of the most broken things in the game, currently, and we're almost guarenteed to see a change in the rule. And, in regards to the situation, we may also see a return to older editions where you targeted models in BtB contact, which means you may well be able to target Power Fists (which will make them useless again, just like they were in older editions).

So, take everything that's broken, tone it down. And take everything that sucks (Tau, Daemons, Orks...Not so much 'Nids anymore...But still 'Nids.) and fix them. And ignore the current game, because it wont be relevant.

[bluntpencil]

Right. Step 1; Convince friend to start imperial guard.
Step 2; Get friend to give spare missile launchers to me.


Still, I should do more asking around. It can't hurt. Failing that, does anyone have a good bitz store to reccomend?

Forge World do cool missile launchers now... in their special weapons bundle. Come with flamers, plasmas and meltas too!