LGBTAitP Part 23: Et tu, ~Bianca?

[noparlpf]

Thrice-cook-able, may I give you some advice?

Stop caring about what others say about themselves, stop being bothered about what they claim. Yes, there are women out there who will pretend to be bisexual in order to pique the interest of certain types of men (as you can imagine, this rarely leads to much more than physical intimacy). This is nothing new and it has been going on for, well, a very long time. But there are also a great majority of them who will actually be bisexual to different degrees (some may just enjoy the occasional physical contact of a woman, but would never consider a long term relationship with one). There may also be bisexual women who, through circumstance and/or percentage of preference, actually never end up in either in a relationship or being physically intimate with another women.

Also try to remember that society accepts women who identify as Lettuce, Bacon or Tomato far more readily than it accepts men who identify as Garlic, Bacon or Tomato. Not everyone and not everywhere, but there is a huge difference in the level of acceptance. So, women who actually do identify as one of the above categories are are far more likely to be open about it.

I do that! When I see people being dumb or annoying I remind myself that who gives a crap because I don't even know their names, so whatever, I'll just go play Tetris GB and listen to Clapton and not pay attention to them.

Hey everyone! Yesterday I went to see the Avengers and it was AMAZING! Didn't pass the Bechdel test, though. There were two female characters, who were once in the same large room, and that was it. On the other hand, there was more Black Widow and Hawkeye stuff than I expected, so that's cool. I am now officially attracted to all members of the Avengers (movie version) except Captain America and Hulk. But especially Thor. But ESPECIALLY Loki. I'm so glad Loki's adopted because if they were biological brothers it'd be way creepier that I really want them to make out.

You darned rest of the world! It doesn't come out here for another week.
Whitetext: I dunno about that. It depends on when Loki was adopted. If he were adopted when they were both young, it would be very like incest. Humans raised with other humans from a young age have a very low chance of developing romantic feelings for each other. It's not like genetic code can run DNA tests on somebody else to make sure they're not a sibling, so it just reduces the likelihood of developing romantic feelings for people who are raised like siblings so that there isn't too much inbreeding.

[Lea Plath]

[QUOTE=C'nor;13148632*Returns hug. And with an appropriate number of arms, too!*[/QUOTE]

Wait? What? How? Who? Where? How much?

Did I start a trend? :P

[No brains]

{{scrubbed}}

[KenderWizard]

And me, for that matter. Though I don't think I ever specified, so that's not exactly your fault.

And yeah, I know there's not exactly a rule, it just seems sort of like I'm derailing the rest of the conversation that goes on here, which I really don't want to do. Though, like I said, it's not exactly like there's another section of the forum that would work for it, so I probably will post more of them from time to time.

You should feel free! Also, Asta was the first straight person who sprang to mind who posts here a lot, not the only one!

interesting.
This seems relatively common. Do you suppose it has to do with gender perceptions? Or perhaps a negative thereof; that one side has to be a certain way, so the other side is more relaxed (as opposed to submissive being the certain way... Such poor phrasing, sorry).

You mean like Helio feels pressure to be the active partner when he's feeling like a boy, so then when she feels like a girl, the absence of that pressure means she just goes with the flow? I think that's a good theory.

@Everyone else: I've heard of xe, but never zyr? How do you even pronounce that?

All.
*Sleepy good morning hugs for all*

Yay hugs! I would pronounce it "z(uh)y(ee)r" or "zeer". I would hope that the person whose preferred pronoun it was would say it first!

As for my personal stories, I decided to end the correspondence with the man who contacted me anonymously and wanted to put me in a summer dress. So far it is working - I have heard nothing from him. If he starts acting up/gets dramatic, it will be a case for the police to handle.

On the dating front, all is well, except that I cannot get anybody to go see the Avengers movie with me. I don't really know what to do about that. EDIT: and that is not really a real problem.

I hope you find someone to go with, IT'S AMAZING!

Also, I hope your interaction with the man now ends peacefully.

You darned rest of the world! It doesn't come out here for another week.
Whitetext: I dunno about that. It depends on when Loki was adopted. If he were adopted when they were both young, it would be very like incest. Humans raised with other humans from a young age have a very low chance of developing romantic feelings for each other. It's not like genetic code can run DNA tests on somebody else to make sure they're not a sibling, so it just reduces the likelihood of developing romantic feelings for people who are raised like siblings so that there isn't too much inbreeding.

SHUT UP NOPE!!!

I do know that, it's a clever feature.

... They're not human, they're Asgardian.

Don't take my dreams from me!

[pffh]

SHUT UP NOPE!!!

I do know that, it's a clever feature.

... They're not human, they're Asgardian.

Don't take my dreams from me!

Well if it´s any consolation in Norse mythology Loki was a friend of Óðinn instead of a foster son and so if anything he would have been regarded as a step uncle to Þór.

Also do they use a lot of norse words in this movie? It might make or break if I decide to see it. I can't watch Thor without getting angry because IT'S NOT PRONOUNCED BI FROST! BI FROST IS NOT A WORD IT IS MEANINGLESS IT'S BIF AND THEN RÖST. How hard would it have been to call someone and ask "hey how is this word pronounced? Oh okay thanks"

[Castaras]

Well if it´s any consolation in Norse mythology Loki was a friend of Óðinn instead of a foster son and so if anything he would have been regarded as a step uncle to Þór.

Also do they use a lot of norse words in this movie? It might make or break if I decide to see it. I can't watch Thor without getting angry because IT'S NOT PRONOUNCED BI FROST! BI FROST IS NOT A WORD IT IS MEANINGLESS IT'S BIF AND THEN RÖST. How hard would it have been to call someone and ask "hey how is this word pronounced? Oh okay thanks"

Biff-Rohst? I always pronounced it Bye-Frost and always heard it pronounced that way.

[Arachu]

That is a good way to put it. Some days I just want to be girl-like, but others I... Don't. Tomorrow, I may go out with some friends (my companion of last night's movie included), or I might go shooting with my dad and his best friend of forty years. Today, I went shopping with my mum, and got a bright-teal jacket, and some nice new shoes. Yay! Shoes!

Shoooes~ n.n

Satire, m'friend. I dislike stereotypes, but that doesn't mean I don't like a good joke aimed towards my hair. Or claiming my favorite metal band's lead singer sounds like a country singer.

*Starts to argue-*

*... Then realizes that that's a good point...*

But, people come out in different ways. To my logical-mathematical mind (types of intelligence woo!) a presentation would be streamlined; I could cover bases before hand. I don't talk well, especially on the spot, so having a slide like thus:

Pansexual - What does it mean?
Attraction to:
*Pots
*Pans
*miscellaneous cookware

Would be really helpful for explaining to my parents, what it means. I couldn't honestly tell you what it means if you asked me on the street, but thinking about it and writing it down, help.

Different perspectives!

~ ♅

I've only ever read about it being related to avoiding labels. Technically it is a label, though, so I'm pretty sure it's about not observing sex/gender labels.

... I admit, however, that that is an outright guess and I haven't actually confirmed it. >.>

Ah, over here in Fabulosity Bay, I actually have had no real 'problems' with ascertaining the gender and sexuality of my fellow students, seeing as it is obvious about each and every one of them who claims to be 'trans' or 'bi' or anything else for that matter whether they are telling the truth or not, because obviously their gender and sexuality is very clearly defined because of their actions and how much they announce it loudly to everyone within earshot. All those people who are not outwardly showing it are obviously not actually what they claim to be, and I know each and every one of them perfectly because I do.

Before you all lynch me and bite my head off, note that 1. this is bitter sarcasm, 2. I am on 3 hours of sleep in three days, 3. I ran out of meds. I am not actually this pissed off, I just needed to fill up my 'snarky *******' quota for the day before it became a problem.

This was also painful to write. Very painful.

*Hugs*

I always make good points? T-thanks.

Yep~ ^_^


~Bianca

[pffh]

Biff-Rohst? I always pronounced it Bye-Frost and always heard it pronounced that way.

Yes that is close enough. If I hear someone pronouncing as it bye-frost I will correct them once and then I will make sure they mend their ways.

Bye-frost is as much gibberish as say pronouncing anymore as an ymore.

[Qaera]

I've only ever read about it being related to avoiding labels. Technically it is a label, though, so I'm pretty sure it's about not observing sex/gender labels.

... I admit, however, that that is an outright guess and I haven't actually confirmed it. >.>

That would be pomosexual, m'dear. Pansexual is more about not caring about the gender or sex of who you like (in how I've seen).

~ ♅

[The Succubus]

Well if it´s any consolation in Norse mythology Loki was a friend of Óðinn instead of a foster son and so if anything he would have been regarded as a step uncle to Þór.

Also do they use a lot of norse words in this movie? It might make or break if I decide to see it. I can't watch Thor without getting angry because IT'S NOT PRONOUNCED BI FROST! BI FROST IS NOT A WORD IT IS MEANINGLESS IT'S BIF AND THEN RÖST. How hard would it have been to call someone and ask "hey how is this word pronounced? Oh okay thanks"

....is there a straight frost?

[turkishproverb]

Hi there. How do I set an avatar?

Hi newbie! I see you already got your avatar. Welcome!

[Rawhide]

....is there a straight frost?

Maybe there are two frosts? One freezing cold and the other freezing hot?

[Heliomance]

Interesting, but perhaps not so surprising. After all, identity is also negotiated in how others treat you. Perhaps you're conforming to what you think other people view as more feminine? Maybe even subconsciously? It is easier to maintain a positive self-image if that image receives positive/reinforcing feedback from others, after all.

I want to post something about how I find it fascinating that you talk about yourself as "feeling like a girl" (or boy). As if your feelings of self/identity are separate from your self. At least, that is how I read it.

I'm not sure what you mean. I use "feeling like" because saying "when I am a girl" sounds weird, kinda pretentious, and dishonest. I've spent my whole life being a guy, even though I've mostly come to terms with my fluidity now, it still doesn't feel natural using the female terms about myself even when I am feeling girly. I can never forget that I'm physically male, and I have to force myself to lay claim to femalehood. The difference in effort required to say "I wish I was a girl" and "At the moment, I am a girl" is enormous.

[Arachu]

What's bad is hearing about a radio personality advising a father to get his male friends to rape the gay out of his lesbian daughter.

What's worse is the article decrying it saying rape only happens to women.

~ ♅

... I'm going to shelve my for now and *hug* you.

That would be pomosexual, m'dear. Pansexual is more about not caring about the gender or sex of who you like (in how I've seen).

~ ♅

Oh. That makes sense... ^_^'

Maybe there are two frosts? One freezing cold and the other freezing hot?

Maybe one is freezing in one direction and the other in the opposite one? Or there are two layers, each of a different composition... @_@


~Bianca

[AuroraF]

I believe we had questions for you, and or tha you had questions but no group to speak to?

Regardless, it's a pleasure to meet you!

Nice to meet you too. If you had any questions for me, shoot. I'll ask some questions of my own if something comes up in my mind.

We've got a whole bunch of different genders and orientations represented, just among the regulars. Let's see... we've got asexuals, demisexuals, bi/pansexuals, homosexuals, genderfluids, transsexuals (I think only MtF, though?). And probably more*.

Apart from that, we've got feminists, aliens, kobolds and assorted silly people.

So, ask about anything. I'm sure someone here has an answer

*I humbly ask forgiveness from anyone I might have forgotten.

In other words, you've got a bunch of different people here just like anywhere else in the world, the difference being that you've come up with various categories for yourselves, yet don't bow to an arbitrary sense of normality by compromising how you live your lives by picking from the much narrower mainstream set of sexual and gender categories. I say, why not drop the categories?

* Is late to the party. Again*

Hi AuroraF. I'm actually pretty sure that I have similar questions a you do, so I'll just sit back here, and take advantage of the non-rival nature of knowledge.

Oh, and while I don't have any specific transition related knowledge, I have a large accumulation of useless trivia and a great store of very highbrow quotations to lend an air of intellectualism to anything you want to say or do.

Also, is it bad that I read this as implying that you have some sort of uterus based superpower?

Yeah. My superpower is my instinctual drive for motherhood, which is capable of turning me both super cuddly and sometimes suicidally depressed. Seriously though, I just want a uterus to experience the creation of life and have a family of my own, it's probably one of the emotionally dearest things to me. Now if only I could have an actual superpowered uterus, I'd end up being a surrogate mother for everyone here. ;)

I was wondering about that uterus girl thing too. Sounds like the kind of superhero that's invented once the publisher has run out of ideas. Or if they feel really creative for some reason. *totally not designing the super-suit for that one*

Oh well... I was totally looking forward to some kind of a cheesy, caped maternity outfit made from spandex, maybe with a baby's dummy as the superhero symbol.

Anyway, welcome AuroraF. I hope you like quirkiness, cuz there's plenty of it in this thread. So much that it's often hard to keep up with. Plenty of hugs to go around, too.

I'm Laser Frog, but you can call me any variation of that. Usually I keep thinking of myself as Froggy, so why not? I'm a gay (homoromantic but asexual) cis male, and I'm not even sure I've established an identity for myself here. Could be cuz I feel like I spend most of my time lurking, but meh.

You'll probably like it here.

Thanks for the welcome. I'm a girl who is sexual in such complex ways that I'll not even bother explaining in detail nor do I see some specific identification as necessary, but I usually like men and then I like girls sometimes in different ways or something.

[Triscuitable]

@Tris: You really ain't coming across well and it doesn't really effect you, does it? Let people be people. If they are faking, it is kind of sad they need to lie to be intresting. If they aren't, you are refusing to accept they might be, until they pass some kind of test.

*Closes the door with the knowledge of closure*

I'm not one to talk, having maybe barely just dodged the Poor-Communication-Bullet, but it's omnipresent enough that I had no way of knowing you mean it as satire.

I always clarify in the end. For future reference, assume all ginger jokes are satirical and intentionally self-depreciating for humor.

[KenderWizard]

Well if it´s any consolation in Norse mythology Loki was a friend of Óðinn instead of a foster son and so if anything he would have been regarded as a step uncle to Þór.

Also do they use a lot of norse words in this movie? It might make or break if I decide to see it. I can't watch Thor without getting angry because IT'S NOT PRONOUNCED BI FROST! BI FROST IS NOT A WORD IT IS MEANINGLESS IT'S BIF AND THEN RÖST. How hard would it have been to call someone and ask "hey how is this word pronounced? Oh okay thanks"

... Is step-uncle better or worse than .... Y'know what, never mind. In my mind, Asgardian culture doesn't see anything wrong with it since they're not actually related.

Also, no, the Avengers doesn't talk about the bifrost. Thor does mention a presumably-Norse animal, but I don't know if it's made up for the movie or an actual Norse mythological creature.

Yes that is close enough. If I hear someone pronouncing as it bye-frost I will correct them once and then I will make sure they mend their ways.

Bye-frost is as much gibberish as say pronouncing anymore as an ymore.

I understand it's annoying to have things mispronounced (tourists having a go at pronouncing Irish is fascinating), but I think that's just part of life when something is spoken of in a different language. I appreciate it's more frustrating when they maybe could have had someone come in to coach the actors on how to say things correctly, but I don't think it's something that's ever going to have a one hundred percent success rate. If I was watching something with a non-English/Irish speaking actor using a word from English or Irish and they pronounced it wrong, I wouldn't be surprised!

What's bad is hearing about a radio personality advising a father to get his male friends to rape the gay out of his lesbian daughter.

What's worse is the article decrying it saying rape only happens to women.

~ ♅

I saw that (the radio thing, not the specific article you mention). I was going to bring it here but I thought it was too dark. Frankly, I think the first one is worse. The second part is most likely sexist ignorance, and awful, but the first one is hate-speech, wildly homophobic and misogynist, and encouraging use of one of the worst crimes there is against a young person, on top of a basecoat of sexist ignorance. I just can't believe someone would say something like that.

[noparlpf]

SHUT UP NOPE!!!

I do know that, it's a clever feature.

... They're not human, they're Asgardian.

Don't take my dreams from me!

Sorry. :b

Anyone discuss this yet?
http://radio.foxnews.com/toddstarnes...ian-teens.html
Dan Savage gave a lecture on bullying.

Edit: I know the link is from Fox News, but that's where I got the story. I personally think he was pretty tactful about what he needed to say about the bible... especially for the guy who created the word "Santorum".

Huh. I just listened to this video at the bottom of the page. Although I can agree to a degree with some parts of what he said, I completely disagree with how he said it. He sounded like he was going out of his way to be offensive.

In other words, you've got a bunch of different people here just like anywhere else in the world, the difference being that you've come up with various categories for yourselves, yet don't bow to an arbitrary sense of normality by compromising how you live your lives by picking from the much narrower mainstream set of sexual and gender categories. I say, why not drop the categories?

Well, the categories are kind of handy. Transsexual is only really "necessary" in a medical context because sometimes your doctor needs to know how the plumbing is hooked up. Otherwise transsexual people can just be whichever gender they are. Sexuality, on the other hand, is much simpler with labels. If you're looking for romance or sex or anything, it's a lot harder if nobody says what they're into, and if people just go around saying things like, "Well I'm into women," sooner or later we'll come up with a word like "gynophilic" or "gynosexual".


So Friday just before Orgo a girl (call her M) was very upset about some conversation on facebook regarding beauty standards. Coincidentally, I stumbled across another article about the same thing later. It's about Britian's "Most Beautiful Woman". M was upset partially because the article she saw implied that this woman has "scientifically the most perfect face in the world", and blonde, blue-eyed whites are kind of rare and by no means a world-wide beauty standard, and partially because of the facebook conversation, which I only skimmed.
So, here was my response to the article:
I thought they said she's the most beautiful British woman. And most British people are white and look generally like that. But yeah, I don't get any of this. You can't really mathematically quantify beauty because it's an entirely subjective quality, though I guess you could do a statistical analysis of what most people consider beauty...but you'd probably end up with one of those average pictures they get by running a bunch of faces through a computer program, because everyone likes different things. So maybe this woman just looks completely average? Anyway, I think we shouldn't be putting people forward as "most beautiful" whatevers because that's just going to make anybody who doesn't look like that and is the least bit insecure (so like everybody) feel like poop.
Anytime I type something more than two sentences long I worry I didn't manage to coherently translate my thoughts into words.

[KenderWizard]

In other words, you've got a bunch of different people here just like anywhere else in the world, the difference being that you've come up with various categories for yourselves, yet don't bow to an arbitrary sense of normality by compromising how you live your lives by picking from the much narrower mainstream set of sexual and gender categories. I say, why not drop the categories?

Like Nope says, categories are useful. No one here is required to use them, and we accept people's right to self-identification. There's nothing wrong with labels. I like having labels I can use to express parts of my identity concisely, where relevant. Labels or categories only become a problem when people police them or force them on others.

Yeah. My superpower is my instinctual drive for motherhood, which is capable of turning me both super cuddly and sometimes suicidally depressed. Seriously though, I just want a uterus to experience the creation of life and have a family of my own, it's probably one of the emotionally dearest things to me. Now if only I could have an actual superpowered uterus, I'd end up being a surrogate mother for everyone here. ;)

I feel very very strongly for you. I don't know what it's like to be a woman without a uterus, but I do know what it's like to be a woman who really appreciates a uterus. I really hope you get the family you deserve to have.

So Friday just before Orgo a girl (call her M) was very upset about some conversation on facebook regarding beauty standards. Coincidentally, I stumbled across another article about the same thing later. It's about Britian's "Most Beautiful Woman". M was upset partially because the article she saw implied that this woman has "scientifically the most perfect face in the world", and blonde, blue-eyed whites are kind of rare and by no means a world-wide beauty standard, and partially because of the facebook conversation, which I only skimmed.
So, here was my response to the article:
I thought they said she's the most beautiful British woman. And most British people are white and look generally like that. But yeah, I don't get any of this. You can't really mathematically quantify beauty because it's an entirely subjective quality, though I guess you could do a statistical analysis of what most people consider beauty...but you'd probably end up with one of those average pictures they get by running a bunch of faces through a computer program, because everyone likes different things. So maybe this woman just looks completely average? Anyway, I think we shouldn't be putting people forward as "most beautiful" whatevers because that's just going to make anybody who doesn't look like that and is the least bit insecure (so like everybody) feel like poop.
Anytime I type something more than two sentences long I worry I didn't manage to coherently translate my thoughts into words.

They focused a bit more on face-shape and symmetry and stuff rather than on her being blonde and blue-eyed. It'd be more accurate to say she's a close fit to a statistical model of features perceived to be attractive. I don't think she's the most beautiful person I've ever seen, but she is very pretty. Also, I think the picture of her that accompanies the HuffPo article is 'shopped, which is hilarious. Even THE MOST BEAUTIFUL GIRL IN THE WORLD isn't pretty enough to be seen without fixing her disgusting flaws. Women are basically hideous approximations of beauty before they're painted and airbrushed to look nice.

I hope your friend M is feeling better about it. I definitely know how it feels. I'm fairly conventionally pretty: I've got the big eyes, the full lips, the symmetry all mentioned, and I happen to have the fair-hair blue-eyes thing too. I'm about the weight of the average western woman. And yet, I completely despise how I look. I feel fat and ugly all the time. I constantly compare myself to everyone else I see, and I'm constantly bombarded by billboards of literally unattainable beauty. I hate my legs, my arms, my face, my hair, my breasts, my tummy, usually all at the same time. I deliberately buy clothes that hide myself, and I don't allow myself to wear short sleeves or short skirts because I'm really ugly and people would laugh at me if I tried to dress like a pretty, thin girl. So I get how M feels. When I feel that way, it helps me to find before and after pictures of 'shopped models. Turns out some of them have legs like mine that are a bit wobbley, or breasts that sag a bit, or - shock! - small blemishes on their face. It's so hard to remember that stuff until you see it.

[ScionoftheVoid]

Um, hello, I hope I'm not interrupting anything. *bows* I recently discovered myself to be a repulsed asexual, thought I'd take a peek at this thread. I'll probably be lurking most of the time, but might pipe up with a question or a thought I think is worth sharing every once in a while. So, um, that's my little introduction done, please carry on with your regularly-scheduled thread.

[Arachu]

Yeah. My superpower is my instinctual drive for motherhood, which is capable of turning me both super cuddly and sometimes suicidally depressed. Seriously though, I just want a uterus to experience the creation of life and have a family of my own, it's probably one of the emotionally dearest things to me. Now if only I could have an actual superpowered uterus, I'd end up being a surrogate mother for everyone here. ;)

Reminds me of my superpower... Except mine has the added features of being totally encrypted and sending mixed signals to the rest of my head, so it's hard to say if that's even accurate.

I hope your friend M is feeling better about it. I definitely know how it feels. I'm fairly conventionally pretty: I've got the big eyes, the full lips, the symmetry all mentioned, and I happen to have the fair-hair blue-eyes thing too. I'm about the weight of the average western woman. And yet, I completely despise how I look. I feel fat and ugly all the time. I constantly compare myself to everyone else I see, and I'm constantly bombarded by billboards of literally unattainable beauty. I hate my legs, my arms, my face, my hair, my breasts, my tummy, usually all at the same time. I deliberately buy clothes that hide myself, and I don't allow myself to wear short sleeves or short skirts because I'm really ugly and people would laugh at me if I tried to dress like a pretty, thin girl. So I get how M feels. When I feel that way, it helps me to find before and after pictures of 'shopped models. Turns out some of them have legs like mine that are a bit wobbley, or breasts that sag a bit, or - shock! - small blemishes on their face. It's so hard to remember that stuff until you see it.

*Hugs*

Um, hello, I hope I'm not interrupting anything. *bows* I recently discovered myself to be a repulsed asexual, thought I'd take a peek at this thread. I'll probably be lurking most of the time, but might pipe up with a question or a thought I think is worth sharing every once in a while. So, um, that's my little introduction done, please carry on with your regularly-scheduled thread.

3...2...1... *Welcomeglomp!*


~Bianca

[Astrella]

What's bad is hearing about a radio personality advising a father to get his male friends to rape the gay out of his lesbian daughter.

What's worse is the article decrying it saying rape only happens to women.

~ ♅

Ugh, I heard about that but wasn't sure if I should post it; I could add tons of sad stuff to every post I make in here without much effort.

In other words, you've got a bunch of different people here just like anywhere else in the world, the difference being that you've come up with various categories for yourselves, yet don't bow to an arbitrary sense of normality by compromising how you live your lives by picking from the much narrower mainstream set of sexual and gender categories. I say, why not drop the categories?

Well...ah, fiddles, Kender already beat me to it.

[Asta Kask]

Also, no, the Avengers doesn't talk about the bifrost. Thor does mention a presumably-Norse animal, but I don't know if it's made up for the movie or an actual Norse mythological creature.

It's not an actual mythological creature, although it was a real name. I can't remember it. Stellan Skarsgård was on the cast so they could have asked him how to pronounce it.

Hello ScionoftheVoid! Welcome! We all worship Slaanesh here so you may fit right in... provided you're absolutely deviant.

[Qaera]

... I'm going to shelve my for now and *hug* you.
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*hoogles*

Wut. *deep breath* I will not allow myself to lose my temper because of the idiocy of other people.

I wish I had your self-control~ which Sutra do you use for meditation?

I saw that (the radio thing, not the specific article you mention). I was going to bring it here but I thought it was too dark. Frankly, I think the first one is worse. The second part is most likely sexist ignorance, and awful, but the first one is hate-speech, wildly homophobic and misogynist, and encouraging use of one of the worst crimes there is against a young person, on top of a basecoat of sexist ignorance. I just can't believe someone would say something like that.

Oh, I agree, just a way to organize what I was saying. I don't know why either. I wish people could just not say other people should be raped? I don't know why I have such a high standard...

Ugh, I heard about that but wasn't sure if I should post it; I could add tons of sad stuff to every post I make in here without much effort.

Yeah... I wish bad stuff didn't happen so often.

On second thought, going out with my dad shooting seems wonderful. We'll use... Unorthodox targets.

I'm pretty good with photoshop

~ ♅

[noparlpf]

They focused a bit more on face-shape and symmetry and stuff rather than on her being blonde and blue-eyed. It'd be more accurate to say she's a close fit to a statistical model of features perceived to be attractive. I don't think she's the most beautiful person I've ever seen, but she is very pretty. Also, I think the picture of her that accompanies the HuffPo article is 'shopped, which is hilarious. Even THE MOST BEAUTIFUL GIRL IN THE WORLD isn't pretty enough to be seen without fixing her disgusting flaws. Women are basically hideous approximations of beauty before they're painted and airbrushed to look nice.

I hope your friend M is feeling better about it. I definitely know how it feels. I'm fairly conventionally pretty: I've got the big eyes, the full lips, the symmetry all mentioned, and I happen to have the fair-hair blue-eyes thing too. I'm about the weight of the average western woman. And yet, I completely despise how I look. I feel fat and ugly all the time. I constantly compare myself to everyone else I see, and I'm constantly bombarded by billboards of literally unattainable beauty. I hate my legs, my arms, my face, my hair, my breasts, my tummy, usually all at the same time. I deliberately buy clothes that hide myself, and I don't allow myself to wear short sleeves or short skirts because I'm really ugly and people would laugh at me if I tried to dress like a pretty, thin girl. So I get how M feels. When I feel that way, it helps me to find before and after pictures of 'shopped models. Turns out some of them have legs like mine that are a bit wobbley, or breasts that sag a bit, or - shock! - small blemishes on their face. It's so hard to remember that stuff until you see it.

It wasn't just that she's blonde and has blue eyes, it's that the facial structure they're pointing at is specific to a small portion of the world's population. M is Indian-American, and the two other girls she was talking to before class are Mexican-American and African-American.
I'm anything but an expert on Photoshopped images, so I didn't notice, but if you're right, that's hilarious.
I'm sure most women would look fine if society weren't always telling them they don't. I mean, they do look fine already, society is just dumb. I've never seen a photo of you on here, but I'm sure you look fine. (Although generally I prefer female faces with darker eyes and hair. Weird, 'cause I prefer light-skinned male faces to have blue eyes, although darker-skinned male faces look fine with brown eyes. I do not know how I'm going to accommodate my genetically conflicting aesthetics when I start my secret eugenics program.) And it's not just women; men are also made insecure about their looks by the media and advertising. I think it's worse for women, though.

[Lord Raziere]

What's bad is hearing about a radio personality advising a father to get his male friends to rape the gay out of his lesbian daughter.

What's worse is the article decrying it saying rape only happens to women.

~ ♅

….

I don't…wha…..

DOES.

NOT.

COMPUTE.

EVER.

*Brain explodes*

*Raziere's Cynicism leveled up!*

[Lady Serpentine]

Wait? What? How? Who? Where? How much?

Did I start a trend? :P

Six, and a pair of wings.

And you may have. Though I just figured that, since I had a fitting avatar, common courtesy decreed using at least as many limbs to return the hug as were used to give it.

(Shapeshifter etiquette is weird. :D)

You should feel free! Also, Asta was the first straight person who sprang to mind who posts here a lot, not the only one!

Well, alright, I suppose... Part of what I'm wondering is if an at-will shapeshifter, unaware of their abilities and who thus doesn't use them once they get to an age where they'd be consciously controlling them, as they 'know' that this is just how their body is and they can't change it, thus controlling them to not be used, were to end up trans*, would their gender identity not matching their biological sex would be changed by unconscious alterations before that point?

Or, assuming that they do know they have the capability, and thus, whether or not they end up trans*, would alter themselves so their body fit their identity, how would their society view them?

I saw that (the radio thing, not the specific article you mention). I was going to bring it here but I thought it was too dark. Frankly, I think the first one is worse. The second part is most likely sexist ignorance, and awful, but the first one is hate-speech, wildly homophobic and misogynist, and encouraging use of one of the worst crimes there is against a young person, on top of a basecoat of sexist ignorance. I just can't believe someone would say something like that.

Now that it's been brought up here, can you post a link, please? Or at least PM me one? I really hate having to try to piece together a whole picture of things from bits of stuff that people say (and, for hopefully obvious reasons, I refuse to try to google something like that)...

[SiderealDreams]

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[Arachu]

On another *severely delayed* tangent, I gots a purse! A denim one! one

I'll totally post pictures - I'm not certain yet how many - after this shower.

Ugh, I heard about that but wasn't sure if I should post it; I could add tons of sad stuff to every post I make in here without much effort.

*Holds tightly*

Hello ScionoftheVoid! Welcome! We all worship Slaanesh here so you may fit right in... provided you're absolutely deviant.

Oh! *Starts drafting ideas for xenos-limb grafts and extrasensory augmetics*

Hehehe, I wonder if radio-wave vision would allow one to see another's nervous activity?... And/or reflect it? >:3


~Bianca

[noparlpf]

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