DC superhero "coming out"

[Man on Fire]

When the hell did that happen?

Very first issue of new, post reboot Catwoman series - she forces herself on him and narration is like from a hentai "at first he doesn't want it, then he learns to enjoy it".

[OracleofWuffing]

Well it can't be Batman because I'm pretty sure he's already come out.

Honestly, with all the obvious guesses about the publicity stunt, I'm surprised we've gone this far without mentioning Robin.

[Dienekes]

Honestly, with all the low-hanging fruit guesses about the publicity stunt, I'm surprised we've gone this far without mentioning Robin.

And I'm surprised no one has linked to this yet.

[Ravens_cry]

Bats at his most brooding is practically asexual.

[Traab]

Very first issue of new, post reboot Catwoman series - she forces herself on him and narration is like from a hentai "at first he doesn't want it, then he learns to enjoy it".

So she raped him then. I thought that sounded a little off the other way around. Wasnt there an issue where some girl has the hots for nightwing and he gets hurt and she rapes him while he is injured? I looked it up, Tarantula.

[Devonix]

So she raped him then. I thought that sounded a little off the other way around. Wasnt there an issue where some girl has the hots for nightwing and he gets hurt and she rapes him while he is injured? I looked it up, Tarantula.

Strangely enough I know many otherwise intelligent men and women who think its impossible for a man to be raped. IE any man who gets raped wants it and no straight man would ever turn down sex.

[Brother Oni]

Strangely enough I know many otherwise intelligent men and women who think its impossible for a man to be raped. IE any man who gets raped wants it and no straight man would ever turn down sex.

Until the invention of viagra and other ED drugs, female on male rape was generally quite rare.

[HandofShadows]

Batman-raping Catwoman? Or did Judd Winnick make her bisexual too?

Catwoman going both ways has been around for many years now. At least 2 reboots ago IIRC.

[Soras Teva Gee]

Until the invention of viagra and other ED drugs, female on male rape was generally quite rare.

First a public service announcement: Its an an involuntary physiological feature.

NOW WHY IS THIS UNDER DISCUSSION.

[Tyndmyr]

Until the invention of viagra and other ED drugs, female on male rape was generally quite rare.

Well....let's not equate a biological reflex with mental agreement, shall we?

And regardless, it's not a topic I particularly want in my comics.

[Axolotl]

Is this really still controversial? I mean they've had Apollo and Midnighter running around for a decade surely we're used to gay superheroes by now?

[nyarlathotep]

Until the invention of viagra and other ED drugs, female on male rape was generally quite rare.

Actually a small amount of string makes such things trivially easy, even beyond the previously mentioned fact that a lot of it is involuntary.

[averagejoe]

The Mod They Call Me: The topic of rape is both off topic for the thread and liable to get into other rules problems. Please go back to discussing comics.

[Brother Oni]

Reply dropped due to mod response.

And regardless, it's not a topic I particularly want in my comics.

I guess you steer well clear of anything written by Garth Ennis then.

[9mm]

it's Wonder Woman or Catwoman. I'll eat my hat if it isn't.

[Traab]

it's Wonder Woman or Catwoman. I'll eat my hat if it isn't.

Wasnt wonder woman originally a lesbian? Or at least bisexual. I mean come on, she lived on an island of nothing but women for what, a couple hundred years? Im thinking Raven from teen titans. Why? Why not? It would be a fairly unimportant change to the character, as, aside from beast boy she never really had much a romantic relationship aspect. So her being attracted to women would give dc their new "gay" character, while not having to do much beyond the arc that points it out. It would barely be more obvious than dumbledoore. (Since we only found that out by the author directly stating it)

[Ravens_cry]

But I always ship RavenXBeast Boy. . .
As for Wonder Woman, unless Steve Trevor was secretly a woman, no, Wonder Woman was not "originally a lesbian."
Her creator was rather a bondage enthusiast mind you, and that definitely leaked into his work. See "Aphrodite's Law".

[Dienekes]

But I always ship RavenXBeast Boy. . .

Ehh no matter what if they change a characters sexuality it'll make some shippers somewhere incredibly distraught. And, oddly in my opinion, other shippers elsewhere embarrassingly overjoyed.

Shippers are weird like that.

As for Wonder Woman, unless Steve Trevor was secretly a woman, no, Wonder Woman was not "originally a lesbian."
Her creator was rather a bondage enthusiast mind you, and that definitely leaked into his work. See "Aphrodite's Law".

Yeah, early Wonder Woman could get a little freaky. But I think it was more that the Amazons were on an island of only women, however I don't think the altered sexual identity this would likely cause in the Amazons was ever explored.

[Ravens_cry]

Ehh no matter what if they change a characters sexuality it'll make some shippers somewhere incredibly distraught. And, oddly in my opinion, other shippers elsewhere embarrassingly overjoyed.

Shippers are weird like that.

Yes, yes we are.

Yeah, early Wonder Woman could get a little freaky. But I think it was more that the Amazons were on an island of only women, however I don't think the altered sexual identity this would likely cause in the Amazons was ever explored.

It was the forties; it is very very to the power of very doubtful indeed.

[Dienekes]

Yes, yes we are.

I don't think I will understand you people if I live to be a hundred. But keep doing what you do. If nothing else, your collective reactions when a popular ship is destroyed is hilarious.

It was the forties; it is very very to the power of very doubtful indeed.

True, but I meant currently as well. Though this could just be my limited knowledge, and the fact that if a comic did focus on the sexual identity of the Amazons it would be just about the last comic I'd actually pick up.

[Ravens_cry]

I don't think I will understand you people if I live to be a hundred. But keep doing what you do. If nothing else, your collective reactions when a popular ship is destroyed is hilarious.

Yeah, some of us are awful freaky.

True, but I meant currently as well. Though this could just be my limited knowledge, and the fact that if a comic did focus on the sexual identity of the Amazons it would be just about the last comic I'd actually pick up.

I agree, it would almost certainly just devolve into HAWT LESBO MAKEOUTS R HAWT. *shudders*

[industrious]

Could be Tim Drake.

[Traab]

Yeah, some of us are awful freaky.


I agree, it would almost certainly just devolve into HAWT LESBO MAKEOUTS R HAWT. *shudders*

At least in most fanfiction ive read that mentioned this it was generally handled like this, "Well duh, I spent 200 years on an island with nothing but women, of course I had sex with some ladies. So what?" And then its generally never mentioned again. But then again, I tend to stay away from the crappy lemon filled garbage. Its generally only brought up to make a point about something.

[Ravens_cry]

I'm not the biggest fan of fan-fiction myself, though I have read some good stuff, and the most notable comic book characters have been around long enough that the work can basically be considered official fan-fiction, for better or for worse.

[Zevox]

So, I got to talk to my aforementioned comic-enthusiast friend about this today, and he had a couple of new theories on who it would be.

Taking their statement that the character would be a major one more seriously, he suggested the Atom. Apparently while Ray Palmer has been a background character since the reboot, he hasn't been the Atom, and another Atom, Ryan Choi, is supposedly going to be joining the Justice League in the relatively near future. Aside from Wally West, that's the biggest DC character he could think of that would fit the bill - although he is still just a B-lister at best, so they'd still be overselling it a bit by saying it's a major character.

Taking that aspect of the announcement less seriously, he suggested Vibe. Apparently he's an obscure character that was never popular who my friend was shocked to learn that DC actually intends to bring back sometime soon, so he was guessing they might make him gay just as a way to get him some publicity and any sort of a fanbase.

Zevox

[Man on Fire]

True, but I meant currently as well. Though this could just be my limited knowledge, and the fact that if a comic did focus on the sexual identity of the Amazons it would be just about the last comic I'd actually pick up.

Gail Simone wanted to have Hippilita marry another woman, but DC editorial didn't left her.


And now I remember the good times Gail Simone wasn't writing bad fanfictions in form of comics.

[TheEmerged]

RE: Current Wonder Woman. Possible, but doubtful. First and foremost, it's too easy.

Second, this is a character with a history of "reveals" that are never heard from again when the next writer takes over.

Thirdly, current WW is not the one from the 40's. The amazons'... urges are being... dealt with... This fact was news to Diana, for the record. Oh, and the other amazons are all either snakes or stone right now.

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She's the daughter of Zeus and Hippolyta, and she isn't centuries old. The amazons have been reproducing by capturing ships, getting pregnant ala Catwoman issue 1, and then killing the men. The boys born this way have their own 'tribe' of sorts with Hephestus.

[Tyndmyr]

I guess you steer well clear of anything written by Garth Ennis then.

Is he the guy who wrote the cthulu rip-off book titled something similar to Necronomicon(one or two letters off)? I grabbed it, assuming it'd be solid lovecraftian fare, and hated it immensely.

The only exception I can think of where it was handled at all well was Watchmen...I generally read comics and stuff to relax and enjoy myself. I don't really need dark, sordid content in them to do that.

[Traab]

RE: Current Wonder Woman. Possible, but doubtful. First and foremost, it's too easy.

Second, this is a character with a history of "reveals" that are never heard from again when the next writer takes over.

Thirdly, current WW is not the one from the 40's. The amazons'... urges are being... dealt with... This fact was news to Diana, for the record. Oh, and the other amazons are all either snakes or stone right now.

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She's the daughter of Zeus and Hippolyta, and she isn't centuries old. The amazons have been reproducing by capturing ships, getting pregnant ala Catwoman issue 1, and then killing the men. The boys born this way have their own 'tribe' of sorts with Hephestus.

So its more like the idea of amazons from other sources? A lot of stories I read that involve amazons in some form generally tend to go that route. *cough* death by snu snu *cough*

[industrious]

Gail Simone wanted to have Hippilita marry another woman, but DC editorial didn't left her.


And now I remember the good times Gail Simone wasn't writing bad fanfictions in form of comics.

Hear hear!

I still think Tim Drake is fairly probable.