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    Whoa, guys, hold on, let's not be hasty. Some people out there have world dominations plans, you know, and I--er, I mean, they don't want to rule over a radioactive wasteland. Which is of course a topic I know nothing about; I'm just a pair of flaming d6s, how could I possibly take over anything?

    (This forum really needs an innocent "Who, me? I don't know what you're talking about..." smiley for times like these.)

    Now, giving certain select members of the population a stern talking-to with some sharp implements for some of the stuff they say and do? That I can get behind.
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    Urge... to destroy... humanity... rising...

    Seriously, telling people who are trying to be your friends that they count as enemies is a TERRIBLE WAY to triumph against your enemies. And that... flier... That is easily one of the most despicable things I've read. It's beyond sick, it's just...
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    *Whaps with newspaper* Bad! No encouraging apocalyptic behaviour! Not even if the explosion would be really, really cool!
    But...but...but cat .gifs are two-dimensional.
    Also explosions are cool.


    Edit: I just ran into the term "transmisogyny". Can somebody please explain? The context made it seem like they meant "transphobia", but this word seems to exclude trans men.
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    The world is twice as big as it needs to be? I dunno, it seems to be at a fine size right now.
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    Quote Originally Posted by noparlpf View Post
    Edit: I just ran into the term "transmisogyny". Can somebody please explain? The context made it seem like they meant "transphobia", but this word seems to exclude trans men.
    In retrospect, yeah, it's just the mixture of misogyny and transphobia directly, and as such, transmen wouldn't really experience it in the same way or at all depending upon the people.

    Remember, to misogynists, wanting to be female and "giving up being male" is worse than "a woman wanting to be a man" because of the hierarchy of value that misogyny is predicated upon.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heliomance View Post
    I'm getting seriously ticked off with the way "ally" seems to be becoming a slur. I wouldn't be coping with my gender weirdness nearly as well as I am without my friends, most of whom are straight and cis. But there seems to be an overriding ethos of "you must be this queer to have a valid opinion" out there, and I hate it. For example, I just went on lgbtlaughs - normally quite amusing - and found this gem.



    Seriously, what the hell?
    Well, that's a good way for the blogger to be dismissed as intellectually bankrupt and written off as irrelevant and bigoted, I suppose?

    I'd be more concerned if people outside of their own hateful little following of people so hurt by hate they became it took the person as worthwhile enough to overlook that.

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    I just saw an article on facebook about a flier at Miami U. "Top Ten Ways to Get Away With Rape".
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    Yep. From the context and the content of the flyer, it's just plain bizarre to boot.


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    Hahahaha no.

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    Honestly, I figured that it must be a vastly different school system than any of the ones in the U.S. I've encountered to have a 12th grade gym class, and so my own experiences of what grades people take gym wouldn't apply, because in all the states I've lived in, you're required to take it as as an underclassman.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliomance View Post
    I'm getting seriously ticked off with the way "ally" seems to be becoming a slur. I wouldn't be coping with my gender weirdness nearly as well as I am without my friends, most of whom are straight and cis. But there seems to be an overriding ethos of "you must be this queer to have a valid opinion" out there, and I hate it. For example, I just went on lgbtlaughs - normally quite amusing - and found this gem.

    Seriously, what the hell?
    Wow. That is... seriously wrong. This kind of attitude hurts everyone.

    Quote Originally Posted by noparlpf View Post
    Members of oppressed groups being intolerant pisses me off even more than members of privileged groups being intolerant, because they of all people ought to know better. >:|
    This, too.

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    I just saw an article on facebook about a flier at Miami U. "Top Ten Ways to Get Away With Rape".
    What the... wow... this... oh my gods, this is simply awful!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliomance View Post
    *snip*
    Yarr, I get the whole intention of "this thing is about queer people" but making ridiculous generalizations just makes you a huge ass. :/

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    On Friday I will teach a workshop in a grade 12 boys' gym class on gender and sexuality basics. I'm glad my organisation has gotten into gym classes, but this is really scary
    Oooh, good luck! How old is 12th grade? What are you going to be talking about specifically? /interested

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    I just saw an article on facebook about a flier at Miami U. "Top Ten Ways to Get Away With Rape".
    ...ugh, that is outright vile.

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    Edit: I just ran into the term "transmisogyny". Can somebody please explain? The context made it seem like they meant "transphobia", but this word seems to exclude trans men.
    It's the specific intersection between transphobia and misogyny. It comes down to, basically there's two forms of sexism. There's oppositional sexism; which is the one that is all "act like your assigned gender, stay in your box" and where a decent amount of transphobia comes from. Then there's the traditional form of sexism that states that 'maleness' is better than 'femaleness' (this does not mean that men don't suffer from the restrictiveness of gender roles and stereotypes). So, while someone transmasculine is 'breaking the roles' cause they're doing something they shouldn't cause of their assigned gender, they are moving to a 'better position' cause male is 'better' than female. So it at least 'makes sense'. But for transfeminine people it's the whole "why would a 'man' degrade themselves by wanting to be a woman?'. And that adds in a whole extra ton of bigotry.

    Natalie wrote a good article about it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Worira View Post
    Oh man, I'd never realized! I've been totally slacking on my gay-oppressing duties!

    Like the scare quotes, too.
    Oh shi... Oh wait, it only counts for "allies"(imagine a really heavy echoing voice here). Luckily I consider people who support people in general (LGBT are people too right?) as people deserving being called a decent human being. We're in the clear fellow non harassing straight people...

    But seriously now, I think intolerance of any sort is generally bad (unless it qualifies as an allergy, in which case I pity you and hope you have the right meds when it happens). I sometimes wonder how hard it can be to just accept other people for who they are and what they believe in (or not) (barring extreme circumstances ofcourse where people would try to legalize breaking several major laws by using the freedom of speech/thought and religion (and such)). For being a decent human being has nothing to do with intelligence or other personal factors, just the thing we humans have been doing for ages, i.e. a little bit of empathy. Is that too much to ask? Well, apparently it is for some people...

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    Science is neutral. Scientists, and interpretation, are not. Ideally you have scientists from a vast array of backgrounds, perspectives and, yes, financial backing critiquing each others work from those biases (but should be attempting to mitigate or account for said biases) to make sure the ultimate consensus is as neutral an interpretation of the evidence as possible.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lilac_Shade View Post
    On Friday I will teach a workshop in a grade 12 boys' gym class on gender and sexuality basics. I'm glad my organisation has gotten into gym classes, but this is really scary
    That's really great. You are the change you want to see in the world! My mother lectures at third level and she says the best way is to come across as really frigging scary the first day, then be nice. That way they don't want to aggravate you in case you flip out on them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Heliomance View Post
    I'm getting seriously ticked off with the way "ally" seems to be becoming a slur. I wouldn't be coping with my gender weirdness nearly as well as I am without my friends, most of whom are straight and cis. But there seems to be an overriding ethos of "you must be this queer to have a valid opinion" out there, and I hate it. For example, I just went on lgbtlaughs - normally quite amusing - and found this gem.

    Seriously, what the hell?
    That really sucks. As someone who used to identify as a straight ally, it makes me feel hurt, and as a member of the LGBT+ community, it makes me feel angry. We're never going to "win" with that attitude! We're never going to be the majority (unless that "most people are a bit bi" thing catches on, I guess). We gotta get the reasonable straight people on side so the bigots are in the minority.

    Quote Originally Posted by noparlpf View Post
    Members of oppressed groups being intolerant pisses me off even more than members of privileged groups being intolerant, because they of all people ought to know better. >:|
    It is very human to want to lash out in return. But that's no real excuse for actually doing it to people who are on your side.

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    I just saw an article on facebook about a flier at Miami U. "Top Ten Ways to Get Away With Rape".
    I saw that. I'm not even properly able to get angry about it, I just feel kind of sick and scared. I want to say "The worst part is ... !" but I can't figure out which bit is the worst part, so I'll just say apparently the school authorities are taking it as an isolated incident, even though there have been plenty of sexual assaults on campus.

    I'm having a really hard time at the moment. I'm still in limbo, I don't know if/when I can start my Masters, I have no apartment, no therapist, I'm in medical-expenses limbo. I'm so stressed I'm getting near-constant stomach pains, and I've been having terrible thoughts. I'm going to need a holiday to recover from all of this not-working! >,<

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    Quote Originally Posted by KenderWizard View Post
    That really sucks. As someone who used to identify as a straight ally, it makes me feel hurt, and as a member of the LGBT+ community, it makes me feel angry. We're never going to "win" with that attitude! We're never going to be the majority (unless that "most people are a bit bi" thing catches on, I guess). We gotta get the reasonable straight people on side so the bigots are in the minority.
    This seems fairly indicative of the attitude towards allies. I hate it.
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    Not an unknown phenomena. Rather depressing. It's the same sort of opinion a percentage of [oppressed minors] have to those who aren't a part of that group who want to learn and help.


    In happier news: A bus has been driving around Leicester recently, with an advert that isn't advertising a film (shock. Horror). This one is just a pink banner with the words "Some people are gay. Get over it."

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    This seems fairly indicative of the attitude towards allies. I hate it.
    Wow. Just, wow. It's almost as if people want to wallow in self pity becuase of their sexual orientation and/or gender identity.

    I'll admit pride and conceitedness can happen, but with a few well placed remarks and relevant discussion that can be helped. Just plain rejecting people who at least try to help or at least try to find out what it is all about and simultaneously crying foul is just crying for attention imo. I do like the fact that she has included an apt description of her personality in her tumblr name
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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliomance View Post
    This seems fairly indicative of the attitude towards allies. I hate it.
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    Meh. I'd like to think that I would still hold my anti-bigot views even if there was nothing coming back to me from the LGBTA community*. As it is, I just repeat the old "5% of any group are jerks" saying and pass on. They don't want me on their site, I don't want to be on their site and so I think we can easily find some common ground...

    But it's nice to be appreciated.

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    Meh. I'd like to think that I would still hold my anti-bigot views even if there was nothing coming back to me from the LGBTA community*. As it is, I just repeat the old "5% of any group are jerks" saying and pass on. They don't want me on their site, I don't want to be on their site and so I think we can easily find some common ground...

    But it's nice to be appreciated.

    *As it is... I've said it before, this thread is my primary home on the Internet. It is where I feel safest, warts and all. The love here helps keep me warm on sleepless nights.
    it isn't about nothing coming back (I mean, that warm and fuzzy feeling becuase you helped someone is reward enough), it's about people crying out for pity, understanding and acceptance while they just file you away as a LGBT hating, self obsessed, bigoted, mysogynist ******* anyway, whatever you do or say. *wanders off mumbling incoherent sounds, waving franticly*

    *comes back*
    Oh dear, I did it again, I let myself get mad because of people over the internet. I really have to stop doing this...
    sorry guys, the rage wasn't directed at you guys >.< I hope you can forgive me. I just can't stand such a level of ingratitude
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    Re: Miami University. 27 rapes over a three year period. That's nine a year, in a school with 16,000 students. Doing some lazy math, that's one per eight thousand girls. At some point, you realize that you're never going to wipe out violent crime completely, and that all you're doing is wasting resources while causing outrage fatigue to set in.

    My bigger worry is that the focus on what's the taste equivalent of a dead baby joke will distract from decent partner etiquette. There are plenty of ways to be a ****ty partner without violently assaulting anybody else. Some branching out could help instead of trying to fit as many things as possible under the rape umbrella.

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    This seems fairly indicative of the attitude towards allies. I hate it.
    How do you feel about abused animals? Starving children? Underfunded space programs?

    The point being, there are plenty of worthwhile causes that won't try to berate and guilt-trip you just for not living up to their unrealistic expectations? Nobody gave any ****y bloggers the right to grant or revoke your status as a decent human being. Stop paying attention to their tantrums, focus your energies on other worthwhile causes, be happier not having to aggravate yourself regularly.

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    How do you feel about abused animals? Starving children? Underfunded space programs?

    The point being, there are plenty of worthwhile causes that won't try to berate and guilt-trip you just for not living up to their unrealistic expectations? Nobody gave any ****y bloggers the right to grant or revoke your status as a decent human being. Stop paying attention to their tantrums, focus your energies on other worthwhile causes, be happier not having to aggravate yourself regularly.
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    I'd really like it if there were no doctors, who lack an empathetic attitude and trivialize instead of understand gender issues, treating transsexual people.

    I don't feel like being categorized separetely and cast aside from what my gynecologist calls 'women', obviously not referring to me. Nor do I feel like being the target of assumptions that my female health needs and my desire for motherhood are somehow less valid than other women's.

    It's painful for my ears to listen to them talk about chromosomes and biological sexes, only to undermine my identity and prospects for wishes associated with a female life, when they really don't even know a whole lot about what chromosomes and biological sex keep within themselves.
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    The main thing scaring me is; and I guess you don't know that cause you weren't around is that I already sorta came out in the past to them. Sorta, because I just mentioned having gender issues and not outright saying that I'm a girl.

    And that sorta resulted in both of them believing the internet was brainwashing me (and mum using some hurtful slurs in arguments) and them locking me off from the internet during the holidays which was ,considering most of my friends and support are online and I was really depressive back then, really awful. :/
    That's no good. I hate to say it, but when you're deciding on a time and place to come out to them fully, maybe it would be a good idea to find a friend or family member who might be willing to let you stay at their place, so if the worst should happen, at least you have a place to stay.

    I really, really hope it doesn't come to that, but if that was their reaction to the idea, taking some precautions might be for the best. They're your parents, though. Only you can know if that's a likely outcome.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heliomance View Post
    I'm getting seriously ticked off with the way "ally" seems to be becoming a slur. I wouldn't be coping with my gender weirdness nearly as well as I am without my friends, most of whom are straight and cis. But there seems to be an overriding ethos of "you must be this queer to have a valid opinion" out there, and I hate it. For example, I just went on lgbtlaughs - normally quite amusing - and found this gem.



    Seriously, what the hell?
    I feel sorry for anyone who have experienced so many negative interactions that they cannot imagine not being in an Us vs. Them situation, it is very sad. ;_;

    I really hope more decent people from all groups will be able to break through the mists of hatred soon. That people can and will be this vicious towards people for sharing traits with oppressors is terrible.


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    I'm having a really hard time at the moment. I'm still in limbo, I don't know if/when I can start my Masters, I have no apartment, no therapist, I'm in medical-expenses limbo. I'm so stressed I'm getting near-constant stomach pains, and I've been having terrible thoughts. I'm going to need a holiday to recover from all of this not-working! >,<
    *Hugs*

    I hope you will soon get to start your Masters, that all sounds very very stressful. Hopefully it will be much less stressing once you begin.

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    I'd really like it if there were no doctors, who lack an empathetic attitude and trivialize instead of understand gender issues, treating transsexual people.

    I don't feel like being categorized separetely and cast aside from what my gynecologist calls 'women', obviously not referring to me. Nor do I feel like being the target of assumptions that my female health needs and my desire for motherhood are somehow less valid than other women's.

    It's painful for my ears to listen to them talk about chromosomes and biological sexes, only to undermine my identity and prospects for wishes associated with a female life, when they really don't even know a whole lot about what chromosomes and biological sex keep within themselves.
    That is terrible. It is not the job of a physician to determine who you are or to impose their values on you. Doctors are supposed to help people and care for their well being, not trying to make them fit in someone else's boxes, particularly not their own. ;_;

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    I'm having a really hard time at the moment. I'm still in limbo, I don't know if/when I can start my Masters, I have no apartment, no therapist, I'm in medical-expenses limbo. I'm so stressed I'm getting near-constant stomach pains, and I've been having terrible thoughts. I'm going to need a holiday to recover from all of this not-working! >,<
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    But please do not destroy humans anyway! >_<
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    Oh dear. *hugs* Don't explode - exploded kender are nowhere near as nice as living ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by AuroraF View Post
    I'd really like it if there were no doctors, who lack an empathetic attitude and trivialize instead of understand gender issues, treating transsexual people.

    I don't feel like being categorized separetely and cast aside from what my gynecologist calls 'women', obviously not referring to me. Nor do I feel like being the target of assumptions that my female health needs and my desire for motherhood are somehow less valid than other women's.

    It's painful for my ears to listen to them talk about chromosomes and biological sexes, only to undermine my identity and prospects for wishes associated with a female life, when they really don't even know a whole lot about what chromosomes and biological sex keep within themselves.
    Bolded for emphasis. While there are some structural/chemical issues that need to be kept in mind, they have absolutely nothing to do with bedside manner.

    I guess it's a question of how trans acceptance progresses in the future. Many doctors did grow up and get trained when trans people were curiosities at best. This isn't an excuse for bad behavior, just hoping that the issue doesn't get brushed aside over the next few years. Otherwise, you'll have more doctors doing the same thing because it was never relevant to them.

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    I'm having a really hard time at the moment. I'm still in limbo, I don't know if/when I can start my Masters, I have no apartment, no therapist, I'm in medical-expenses limbo. I'm so stressed I'm getting near-constant stomach pains, and I've been having terrible thoughts. I'm going to need a holiday to recover from all of this not-working! >,<
    Sorry to hear about that. Stress is hard to manage, especially when so much other stuff is happening around and to you. But we're all here for you, and I know you'll get that Masters!

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    Well done for dealing with that. It's hard to walk the line between conflict and deceit, and I think you did really well!
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    This seems fairly indicative of the attitude towards allies. I hate it.
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    How do you feel about abused animals? Starving children? Underfunded space programs?

    The point being, there are plenty of worthwhile causes that won't try to berate and guilt-trip you just for not living up to their unrealistic expectations? Nobody gave any ****y bloggers the right to grant or revoke your status as a decent human being. Stop paying attention to their tantrums, focus your energies on other worthwhile causes, be happier not having to aggravate yourself regularly.
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    I'd really like it if there were no doctors, who lack an empathetic attitude and trivialize instead of understand gender issues, treating transsexual people.

    I don't feel like being categorized separetely and cast aside from what my gynecologist calls 'women', obviously not referring to me. Nor do I feel like being the target of assumptions that my female health needs and my desire for motherhood are somehow less valid than other women's.

    It's painful for my ears to listen to them talk about chromosomes and biological sexes, only to undermine my identity and prospects for wishes associated with a female life, when they really don't even know a whole lot about what chromosomes and biological sex keep within themselves.
    *all the sympathies*

    It's really frustrating just how uneducated the medical sector (still) is about trans stuff. And it's not even like it's that hard. :/

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    That's no good. I hate to say it, but when you're deciding on a time and place to come out to them fully, maybe it would be a good idea to find a friend or family member who might be willing to let you stay at their place, so if the worst should happen, at least you have a place to stay.

    I really, really hope it doesn't come to that, but if that was their reaction to the idea, taking some precautions might be for the best. They're your parents, though. Only you can know if that's a likely outcome.

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    In other news, I've been getting a really weird (not unpleasant, just weird) feeling lately. It's like I'm a old photograph that's been double-exposed, and one of the images is my surrent male body, and the other is a potential, to-be female body. It crops up every now and then for a few moments. I'm always surprised, but excited to feel it come, and sad to see it go.

    Anyone else ever get anything like that? I'm curious.

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    Uhm, I usually get something similar when looking in the mirror? It's like, seeing the girl in me and it doesn't go away and it makes me really happy when it happens.

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    I'm having a really hard time at the moment. I'm still in limbo, I don't know if/when I can start my Masters, I have no apartment, no therapist, I'm in medical-expenses limbo. I'm so stressed I'm getting near-constant stomach pains, and I've been having terrible thoughts. I'm going to need a holiday to recover from all of this not-working! >,<
    Aww.

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    Re: Miami University. 27 rapes over a three year period. That's nine a year, in a school with 16,000 students. Doing some lazy math, that's one per eight thousand girls. At some point, you realize that you're never going to wipe out violent crime completely, and that all you're doing is wasting resources while causing outrage fatigue to set in.

    My bigger worry is that the focus on what's the taste equivalent of a dead baby joke will distract from decent partner etiquette. There are plenty of ways to be a ****ty partner without violently assaulting anybody else. Some branching out could help instead of trying to fit as many things as possible under the rape umbrella.
    I don't think the school's doing anything more than responding to (what I can only imagine is) a breach in the student code of conduct. It seems over the top to suggest that because of that more serious problems will be over looked.
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    The point being, there are plenty of worthwhile causes that won't try to berate and guilt-trip you just for not living up to their unrealistic expectations? Nobody gave any ****y bloggers the right to grant or revoke your status as a decent human being. Stop paying attention to their tantrums, focus your energies on other worthwhile causes, be happier not having to aggravate yourself regularly.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Reluctance View Post
    How do you feel about abused animals? Starving children? Underfunded space programs?

    The point being, there are plenty of worthwhile causes that won't try to berate and guilt-trip you just for not living up to their unrealistic expectations? Nobody gave any ****y bloggers the right to grant or revoke your status as a decent human being. Stop paying attention to their tantrums, focus your energies on other worthwhile causes, be happier not having to aggravate yourself regularly.
    Wait, are you actually seriously suggesting that because of a few angry douchebags, we should stop fighting for LGBT rights? That they get to ruin it for the rest of us? Because that's almost as uncool as their attitude.
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