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2012-10-23, 07:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm pretty sure I didn't mention Krav Maga was a martial art. If I did, it was not intentional. IT is a combat system. Plain and simple. It teaches you the most effective ways to take down an opponent and doesn't delude itself in purifying your spirit or what have you. It just teaches you how to harm someone really, really bad. And in that, in my personal experience, it has no peer. Of course it's taught in your local fitness center. I'm not saying it doesn't have it's fair share of "bad" practitioners or even exaggarated promises. Today, it's really popular because it markets itself as being "good for everyone."
Yeah, that's a load of crap. Don't get me wrong, it can be learned by everyone, but I tell you right now that a hundred pound woman with Krav Maga knowledge will get demolished by a 200 pound man. I have seen and trained with such practitioners and it simply can not be overdone with techniques you learn there. It still gives you a good chance, and honestly, when your safety is threatened, I'll take that over anything else. Will you be able to take the gun of someone that assaults you? Probably not, but there is a chance you will, in my opinion, a better chance than in any other form of combat(except like I mentioned before, running away if you can) and I don't really need more then that.
Sambo is awesome, don't get me wrong. I've seen what Fedor could do to a person in his competitions and it's(I think) the form of combat the russian police learns, and they are pretty effective. But like I said, there is no "bad" martial art, or combat style. In my opinion, at least of all of those I trained in, it's just the most effective one in an unknown surrounding where you can't count on the variables or defend yourself in an environment that will give you and your attacker equal ground.
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2012-10-24, 05:08 AM (ISO 8601)
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Aye, shillelagh is a fun one. Cane fighting of any stripe becomes a lot better when removed from the idea of fencing with a gentleman's stick. The Doyle style is also very painful without a proper shillelagh; the nobbles on a random branch are bound to puncture your palm on the rebound from a jab or a closin block, and padding drastically changes the mechanics of the lever. So get a stick you want to use frequently if you try it.
Pure sophistry, a meaningless distinction. Martial and combat are both words relating to war and fighting; an art and a system are both defined and implemented principles. You're attaching 60s-80s baggage to a martial art in order to hang it. It's just plain not true.
Especially since I learned a lot of krav maga stuff in Kajukenbo. There are X different ways to do any one mechanical thing with the body. Pretending one art/style/system has a monopoly on the best is baseless. It's like you're saying kenjutsu is superior to Japanese sword fighting because it's more authentic. There's nothing in combat system to differentiate it from martial art except connotation and emotional connection.
It teaches you the most effective ways to take down an opponent and doesn't delude itself in purifying your spirit or what have you.
Yeah, that's a load of crap. Don't get me wrong, it can be learned by everyone, but I tell you right now that a hundred pound woman with Krav Maga knowledge will get demolished by a 200 pound man.
In my opinion, at least of all of those I trained in, it's just the most effective one in an unknown surrounding where you can't count on the variables or defend yourself in an environment that will give you and your attacker equal ground.
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2012-10-24, 07:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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Out of curiosity, aside from krav maga how many different styles have you intensively trained in or studied in-depth?I am not seaweed. That's a B.
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2012-10-24, 02:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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Gonna call some nearby clubs tomorrow morning for some info on free lessons to get started.
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2012-10-24, 08:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-10-25, 07:23 AM (ISO 8601)
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I'm just telling you how it's presented. It's not a martial art, but okay. If it's sophistry, let's say it is.
I don't understand. No martial art I've seen trains you to rely on variables around you. No fighting style requires you to count on variables or defend yourself in a known environment. What are you saying here? That you feel krav maga has a broader application?
Then we must have trained in differen environments. In other martial arts I've seen, it's usually in a controlled "duel" like environment. Be it a ring, a tatami, or whatever you want it. I do feel it has a broader application. Bear in mind that yes, I've said what martial arts I know and from them, I think Krav Maga does the job best. I'm not saying it's the king and sovereign of all other system, just that it did the job the best for me.
Out of curiosity, aside from krav maga how many different styles have you intensively trained in or studied in-depth?
I adore boxing, like I said before and I might even put it up to equal Krav Maga in what I was looking for in a martial art. Karate was okay, but I never really got into it to be frank, while in my opinion Tae Kwon Do just sucks.
I'm sorry if this offends someone who practices it, it does something better for you than it does for me, but I just plain disliked it. It's a sport, just like Boxing, but unlike boxing, I've not seen it used to defend one's self effectively, not even once(and this is from seeing high level practitioners getting their arses kicked by a single drunk). Again, this is not me saying one system is better then the other, just that for me, some work better then others in real life situations.
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2012-10-25, 05:06 PM (ISO 8601)
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Clearly Drunken Boxing is best.
Had my first real martial class today: aikijutsu! Kind of like aikido, but with more stuff and they use an actual belt system here for it apparently. I really liked it, especially since I got such a quick reply to my email by the teacher.Homebrewer's Signature | Avatar by Strawberries
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2012-10-27, 07:56 PM (ISO 8601)
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in most of Europe, AFAIK, you're not allowed to carry a concealed weapon ever, unless you happen to be in a trade that practically requires you to have one, say law enforcement.. in most countries it's heavily regulated business and even collectors or indeed martial artists may only carry weapons to and from places (gyms), in cases or suchlike..and usually the possession of said weapons is regulated by permits without which being grandmaster of whatever-do isn't enough to keep you out of trouble.
I know for a fact that in Italy, you can get into trouble for carrying a screwdriver upon your person if it doesn't happen to be in a toolbox/toolbelt and you're not going places to work with it. say you get caught late at night with a screwdriver stuck in your belt or in the pocket of your trousers, coat or whatever.. the cops are going to think you plan to use it to do improper things to people and/or property..
they usually take a dim view on things like that.
anything with a blade or a pointy end that is being carried without clear motive (and no, self defence is not considered a valid motive) is likely to get you into trouble depending on the circumstances in which it's found upon yourself...you could of course claim that you just bought it at the shop down the road..but then they'd ask to see the receipt, which you're supposed to keep for tax reasons..and if you don't produce it, they will fine you for that, if not for the carrying of a potential weapon.
controls may not be very rigid..in fact I don't think I've ever met anyone who actually did get into trouble over carrying a screwdriver or an utility knife.. but if it ever gets to the point that you pull it out for self defense and authorities get involved, things may well turn out badly for you... to the point that you may wish you'd taken the beating instead.
P.S. swordcanes are illegal to even own, unless they're certified antiques, at least 100 years old.
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2012-10-27, 09:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Aikijutsu and aikijujutsu, I believe, are the names given to the style in its earlier days. I'm not sure what differences there would be though. Learn anything good? Are you a ninja master yet, Morph Bark? Don't forget to ask for the secrets of reading another's Qi/power level! That's thermal trick you wanna master~
Yep! You can get in trouble for having a roll of quarters in your pocket if younger into a fight on the way to the laundromat and the othe guy suffers head trauma. Even if you didn't use said roll of quarters.
It's unfortunate, as when you outlaw weapons only outlaws will have weapons. But such is life.
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2012-10-27, 09:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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While I have no reason to doubt any of this, it doesn't necessarily apply everywhere (except probably the sword-cane). That's why I said to check with your local law-enforcement agency or a lawyer before deciding to carry any deadly weapon.
The statement you quoted, however was more to do with the psychological ramifications of carrying a weapon than the legal.
The only legal advice we can give on this forum without getting in trouble is "contact your local law-enforcement or a lawyer," as far as I know, so I didn't get into the specifics for any particular area.I am not seaweed. That's a B.
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2012-10-28, 02:22 AM (ISO 8601)
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I LEARNED A GREAT MANY THINGS.
...mainly that I'm quite bad at rolling, because I'm still rather stiff after years of not doing any physically-exhausting sports (3 years of archery don't count).
Also, according to the wiki:
Aiki-jūjutsu is a form that can be broken into three styles: Jujutsu (hard/ soft); Aiki no Jutsu (soft); and Aikijujutsu (soft) which is the combination of the former two. Modern Japanese Jujutsu and Aikido both are styles that originate in Aikijujutsu.
All in all, it was very interesting and I'm looking forward to my second lesson.
In other news, I was unable to attend the Krav Maga lesson yesterday, because I couldn't go to sleep until 4 AM and it started at 9.
This is true. On the plus side though, when you outlaw weapons, there will also be fewer outlaws, because idiots are more prone to doing something criminal when they got a weapon in their hands, regardless of whether their target might also have one.Homebrewer's Signature | Avatar by Strawberries
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2012-10-28, 07:28 AM (ISO 8601)
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I kept it generic by saying "most countries in Europe", and yes, better check indeed... also, common knowledge is way different than the letter of the law.
For instance, in Italy the common way of determining whether a knife was legal or not was that it's not supposed to have a blade that is longer than 4 fingers..and I've heard this said many times by different people.. which is of course total rubbish. As my granddad pointed out to me (he's dutch and a weapon instructor even to this day), 4 of my fingers are about as wide as 3 of his (he's got freakishly large hands for a short guy)..
It turns out that any blade of any shape or size may get you into various degrees of trouble, in Italy...and licences to carry a weapon don't necessarily travel well. you may buy a weapon legally in USA or Switzerland and find yourself in knee-deep horse droppings as soon as you cross the border with it.
as for the sword-cane, I learned that in England, watching the Antiques Roadshow, of all things, lol.. and I checked out that this was the case also for Italy where the law is even more stringent as to possession of one.. (you need a collectors permit or something of the kind)
I checked because, come on.. who wouldn't want to have a sword-cane if nothing else just to say you do?
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2012-10-28, 10:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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Martial (adj) =
- 1. Of, relating to, or suggestive of war.
- 2. Relating to or connected with the armed forces or the profession of arms.
- 3. Characteristic of or befitting a warrior.
Art (noun) =
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- a. A system of principles and methods employed in the performance of a set of activities: the art of building.
- b. A trade or craft that applies such a system of principles and methods: the art of the lexicographer.
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- a. Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.
- b. Skill arising from the exercise of intuitive faculties: "Self-criticism is an art not many are qualified to practice" (Joyce Carol Oates).
So, anything that is used, or has once been used, in a fight by soldiers, is a Martial Art. If anything, it would make more sense to exclude purely civilian or sport arts from the grouping, than it'd make to exclude Krav Maga.Last edited by Frozen_Feet; 2012-10-28 at 10:49 AM.
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2012-11-08, 04:41 AM (ISO 8601)
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Any news on the class front, mate? Or should we allow this to die?
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2012-11-09, 05:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Well, as far as MA related news go, I got my green belt in Kobudo. Karate camp coming up tomorrow morning.
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2012-11-09, 05:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've been sparring quite a bit with longswords, both wooden wasters and steel blunts.
Kind of twisted my ankle the other day while doing that outside, but it's getting better.
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2012-11-10, 09:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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One thing i'd like to point out...the idea that fighting arts used in sporting aren't martial arts is modern concept imported from Asia. The traditional western view does not distinguish between sport and self defense. Wrestling was seen as a martial art, as was boxing, as was fencing. The difference was in intent..the intent to kill, the intent to win, the intent to defend oneself.
You don't need kanji and grafted on philosophies to make a martial art. Nor does your art have to be teh deadlee and for teh streetz.
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2012-11-11, 04:07 AM (ISO 8601)
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I was sadly unable to attend the last two aikijutsu practices, so I'll have to make up for it sometime (I still got one free lesson after all).
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Haven't been able to get in for two weeks between the hurricane (club was cancelled) and exam week. But I've been practicing the taekwondo white belt forms. Here's a handy resource for learning taekwondo forms.
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2012-11-13, 05:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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That's not a very good argument. Example: Is beating your chest and grunting a "martial art"? It's something that has been done in war by soldiers resulting from intuitive, instinctive behavior. It fits your set of definitions. Is using a hostage as a shield a martial art? It's been done by soldiers and can be trained or instinctive. I guess the time-honored techniques of "testicle kick", "kidney stab" and "curb stomp" fall under "exercise of intuitive faculties" too. Does carrying a 5-D flashlight and a can of mace make me a practitioner of the martial arts? How about throwing rocks? Cooking is learned through practice, study, and observation, and if an army marches on its stomach then does that mean making lasagna is equatable with kung fu? I'm not trying to be cheeky (well, maybe a little) but that set of definitions is so broad as to be meaningless, where the term "martial arts" has a distinct set of general use definitions. It's like saying I practice "chemical warfare" when I shoot a deer because S + 3 C + 2 KNO3 → N2 + 3 CO2 + K2S. Incidentally, killing a deer with my muzzle loading rifle does absolutely and inarguably by your definition make me a martial artist because it's a definitely a practiced skill and was totally used by soldiers in a fight.
Curiously, I don't consider myself a martial artist, nor does anybody else that I know, which leads me to believe that your definition is functionally useless because only definitions upon which people agree have any communicative value. I can call my car an elephant--after all it's heavy, has a trunk, has four ground contact points, it can make a loud wailing honking noise, and it costs more than I'd like to feed, and could technically run on peanuts with an equally broad definition of what constitutes a peanut--but that doesn't mean when I ask somebody to get something from my elephant that they'll have any idea what I'm talking about.Last edited by Saskia; 2012-11-13 at 05:52 AM.
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It's not systematized, so no. However, beating your chest and grunting is a part of several martial arts. Being hyper literal and calling a single technique an array of techniques is silly.
is using a hostage as a shield a martial art?
I guess the time-honored techniques of "testicle kick", "kidney stab" and "curb stomp" fall under "exercise of intuitive faculties" too.
Does carrying a 5-D flashlight and a can of mace make me a practitioner of the martial arts?
How about throwing rocks?
Cooking is learned through practice, study, and observation, and if an army marches on its stomach then does that mean making lasagna is equatable with kung fu?
And yes, food preparation and diet control come
Up in many martial arts.
I'm not trying to be cheeky (well, maybe a little) but that set of definitions is so broad as to be meaningless,
Curiously, I don't consider myself a martial artist, nor does anybody else that I know, which leads me to believe that your definition is functionally useless because only definitions upon which people agree have any communicative value.
You do things which are martial you do things which are systematized. You don't do both in the proper context. that's kind of important.
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this and following panels are relevant...kinda..
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Technically kung fu means you're really good at something, so if you've spent a lot of time and practice to become really good at making lasagna, you've got good kung fu.
If we want to get sillier, I can find a number of martial arts movies that take the bill (there's one I remember where two guys are fighting, one using a string of sausages as a pair of nunchunks, the other using a shark's jaws as a kind of chakram).Last edited by Brother Oni; 2012-11-14 at 03:03 AM.
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To most everything Saskia said: Yes.
Mostly you just picked invidual techniques that sound silly, but all of them are actually part of one martial art or the other. If something is "instinctive" or not is not a point against any of them, because many martial arts try to build upon instinctive reactions - notably, krav maga.
It is the very core of my point that a lot of things go into martial life, so the umbrella term of "martial arts" is actually much broader than most people think and contains a lot of things beyond punching, kicking, grappling and running away."It's the fate of all things under the sky,
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I've done Taekwondo, a Mixed style called Nido Jitsu that draws form Wing Chun, Tai Chi, Judo, Ju-jitsu, Akido, Escreama, Taekwondo and Kalaripayattu, and I've done a bit of Freestyle wrestling back in school, and dabbled a lot into different forms.
Jeet Kun Do, Krav maga, Sambo, Savate, Wing Chun and Kaju Kembo are all excellent for self defense purposes. Akido and Tai Chi and Hypkido all have there own value in such situations as well.
Most forms of Kung Fu that are taught as fighting arts are excellent for picking up weapons techniques for larp or boffering.Though Northern forms are more arial and acrobatic styles typically so they look cooler when you use them. Fencing, Kendo, Long sword Fencing and Escreama all also have value there as well.
For Competition, Brizilian Ju-jitsu, Mauy Tai, Boxing, Sub-mission Wrestling, Karate, Judo, and Basic Akido and Wing Chun are all very handy. It's worth noting that that is also a mix that would not be a slouch to use in a self defense situation as well.
So, ultimatly, it depends on what you really want."I Burn!"
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Organization and systemization weren't prerequisites for his definition. That's why I included that.
Being hyper literal and calling a single technique an array of techniques is silly.
[yes that stuff counts]
Don't be dumb. That's like saying you're Stephen king because you write online and that's like being an author, so you must be a specific author. That's not even a logical argument.
No it's not. You just applied a few words selectively. Use the whole definition.
So let's narrow it down to something that's pretty big, highly systematized and by Frozen Feet's definition (because that's what I'm disputing) inarguably included in the phrase "martial arts" that most people don't seem to consider as falling under the term "martial arts". Do you consider the skill set of firearms competence, including target identification and the ability to quickly and accurately fire upon targets, to be a martial art? Does your opinion change just because I'm shooting deer or rodents instead of people? If it does, then you're not using the definition that he gave:
Originally Posted by Frozen_FeetYou're also not a mechanic, author, plumber, electrician, professional artist, or psychologist, but you've used all of those at one point I'm sure. Now if you were to buckle down and activel learn any one of those, you could use a title related to proficiency.
You do things which are martial you do things which are systematized. You don't do both in the proper context. that's kind of important.
By your definition though, what is the proper combination of system and context to make something a martial art?
I wasn't trying to sound silly (except kind of with lasagna ), I honestly wasn't sure where you drew the line, but if you don't draw a rigid line as to what constitutes a martial art then I guess it does sound silly.
I wasn't saying instinct was a point against something, either, I was asking if untrained actions count.
all of them are actually part of one martial art or the other.
That is fantastic. Also interesting.
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So it works like the Japanese Tokui Waza then? Neat.
Kaju is fun.
Bullcrap. That just means you didn't bother reading what you were picking apart, and everything you've said is meaningless due to being not only uninformed, but purposefully ignorant.
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I didn't call a single technique an array of techniques, and I'm taking issue with his hyperliteral definition. If you take the words "martial" and "art" and use that as the basis for what you call a "martial art" then you're not necessarily talking about the same stuff. I'm actually just suggesting that his given definition is 1) not sufficiently similar to the definition used by most people to be immediately understood without explanation, thus rendering a special term as a linguistic shorthand much less useful; and 2) I don't think he supported his position well. Unless I'm totally missing something and in the field the term does actually mean "any war- or conflict-related technique" but that just doesn't seem to be so, including by what you're saying.
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Well okay, that's fair enough. It's just incredibly nonintuitive because of the way people talk; [/quote]
Which is why I'm going through the trouble of correcting people.
even people trained to administer a good beat down when it becomes necessary, from self defense instructors to Marine corps, don't seem to consider proper use and care of handguns or rifles part of "martial arts" even though they're certainly important martial discipline.
Yeah. That's exactly what I did. I applied the words "martial" and "art" independently, just like Frozen Feet was suggesting should be done for the phrase's definition. You are literally telling me that I'm wrong and then saying exactly what I said, but still insisting that you disagree? What is this I don't even...
Precisely what I said, and again I don't know what you're disagreeing with. I don't claim a title, but by his definition I could claim "martial artist" because I'm competent in the use of certain weapons of war. Sure, nobody uses a Hawken or an M1 Garand in war anymore, but by his given definition obsolescence of technology is not relevant, nor is obsolescence of technique.
By your definition though, what is the proper combination of system and context to make something a martial art?
Same with food prep. Or situational awareness. Or social manipulation even, provided they also meet the martial criteria.
Now, does being able to fight well in self defense make you a martial artist? Probably not, because you aren't using it in that context. Or thinking about it in that context. Or even aware it's possible in that context, as far as cooking and medical aid go.
See this is what's confusing me about your definition. Is the inclusion in an accepted system important for being considered a martial art, or is it just anything that has been done in the context of martial conflict?
It doesn't have to be an "accepted" system, whatever that means, but it does have to be part of a system, no matter what level of abstraction you put it at. A single technique (kick in the balls") and an understanding of the continuum of force counts, because you're using a system for when fighting is and is not really acceptable. "Don't hit girls" is a holdover from prior times and a stricture of the gentleman's art of fisticuffs, that being the acknowledgement that you can beat the snot out of a fellow testosteroner, but not a wimmen or a chil'. It's an amateur martial art.
And none of this conflicts with Frozen Feet's definitions at all. I'm testy because you seemingly ignored the definition, in an attempt to pick apart the definition.Last edited by SiuiS; 2012-11-13 at 07:55 PM.
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Dude what the hell? I can't say I know why you're being a ****, but
a. Skill that is attained by study, practice, or observation: the art of the baker; the blacksmith's art.
b. Skill arising from the exercise of intuitive faculties
1. Of, relating to, or suggestive of war.
2. Relating to or connected with the armed forces or the profession of arms.
3. Characteristic of or befitting a warrior.
Seifukujutsu is a martial art.
Which is why I'm going through the trouble of correcting people.
The military teaches martial arts. Every soldier and marine I've spoken to supplements modern army combatives training with "traditional" martial arts. Including noting that rifle techniques are similar to spear and halberd techniques. Hell, the corps even teaches a specifically martial art martial art. Trainers learn other arts specifically to bring them in to combat training, and off the books, shooting instructors use martial arts manuals including Zen Archery to help learn patience, aiming and breathing while shooting.
Except frozen feet didn't say apply them separately.
At this point I'm pointing out that the definition of martial arts, and whether or not you consider yourself a martial artist, are entirely separate things, and this is irrelevant to the issue at hand. It's at best a tangential problem, but you're using it as basis for why "martial art" doesn't mean what it means.
Mindfulness toward what you're doing, mostly. If you punch things a lot and get good at it, you still probably know nothing about punching. If you think about it, recognize it as a technique and can hone it, it's a martial art.
Same with food prep. Or situational awareness. Or social manipulation even, provided they also meet the martial criteria.Don't be dumb. That's like saying you're Stephen king because you write online and that's like being an author, so you must be a specific author. That's not even a logical argument.
Now, does being able to fight well in self defense make you a martial artist? Probably not, because you aren't using it in that context. Or thinking about it in that context. Or even aware it's possible in that context, as far as cooking and medical aid go.
Reread "art".
It doesn't have to be an "accepted" system, whatever that means, but it does have to be part of a system, no matter what level of abstraction you put it at. A single technique (kick in the balls") and an understanding of the continuum of force counts, because you're using a system for when fighting is and is not really acceptable. "Don't hit girls" is a holdover from prior times and a stricture of the gentleman's art of fisticuffs, that being the acknowledgement that you can beat the snot out of a fellow testosteroner, but not a wimmen or a chil'. It's an amateur martial art.[beating your chest and grunting i]s not systematized
I'm testy because you seemingly ignored the definition, in an attempt to pick apart the definition.
Originally Posted by Frozen_Feet
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2012-11-13, 09:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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- Mar 2011
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Re: Martial Arts in the Playground
Teebagging is a martial art. It's a highly structured practice used almost exclusively by (imaginary digital) warriors.
Jude P.