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Thread: V's Gender Debate IV [Official]
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2011-05-31, 12:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-31, 12:18 AM (ISO 8601)
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English isn't my primary language, so please let me know if something I'm saying doesn't make sense!Continuation of ThePhantasm's awesometacular post
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2011-05-31, 12:25 AM (ISO 8601)
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"None of us likes to be hated, none of us likes to be shunned. A natural result of these conditions is, that we consciously or unconsciously pay more attention to tuning our opinions to our neighbor’s pitch and preserving his approval than we do to examining the opinions searchingly and seeing to it that they are right and sound." - Mark Twain
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2011-05-31, 12:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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V has always struck me as female ever since the first strip. It might be me projecting onto the character I identify with the best, but moments like Haley trying to discuss fashion with V, V going shopping with Celia, and the fact that V will not room with the males, makes it seem like V is a very androgynous female.
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2011-05-31, 12:51 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-31, 01:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-31, 01:30 AM (ISO 8601)
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I believe Dungeon Crawlin' Fools :)
Thats the central reason Roy is such a departure from the stock character, if you break the OOTS down (at least from a 'base character' perspective)
Roy: Intellectual Fighter
Elan: Spoony Bard
Durkon: Unwavering Cleric
Vaarsuvius: Know-it-all Mage
Haley: Greedy Thief
Belkar: Lethal Ranger
Of the six, Roy is -very far- outside what would be expected based on his class... the other five aren't. This is due to Roy being conceived as a Wizard.Last edited by FujinAkari; 2011-05-31 at 01:34 AM.
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2011-05-31, 01:37 AM (ISO 8601)
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Inkyrius' reaction to V's new looks (trying to fend hir off with a stick) looked rather Mama Bear like, too.
So, I guess...they have to be a lesbian couple?
I tend to view them both as male, even though V's behaviour often is exactly the same thing I would do. ("I'll eat in the library"...that could have been said by me. In a similar situation.)
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2011-05-31, 01:44 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-31, 01:48 AM (ISO 8601)
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I used to hold the view that V was originally intended to be male because of the "V-man" strip, but then the Giant said no.
I've read some particularly awesome and lengthy fanfiction that has V as female, which tends to colour my view a bit.
Mostly I think V is genderqueer. If everything was just other characters saying they didn't know, that would be one thing, but V hirself has commented that ze doesn't pay attention to pronouns and regards gender as irrelevant, and ze uses non-gender-specific language when talking about hir marriage (I've done that. It's difficult. You have to rearrange whole sentences).Last edited by Juggling Goth; 2011-05-31 at 01:48 AM.
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2011-05-31, 02:00 AM (ISO 8601)
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hm. Well we know for sure that androgyny is not an Elven trait but I wonder if perhaps V's gender neutral tendencies when it comes to word choice might a trait of the Elven Language. Like how someone who is in the middle of learning english will revert to their first language's syntax. Perhaps Elvish generally use Gender-neutral words, which spills over into the way they approach common.
Elves are normally viewed as more socially progressive and equel compared to other races*. So it would make sense for their Language to represent that. I think I shall dive into the archive and see if other elves also imply a gender-neutral language.
*Something I've always found odd. Considering the Drow's Female Dominated culture I've always thought it might be a neat idea to paint Elves as Male Dominated in their own way. Of course that offers certain... unfortunate implications.
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2011-05-31, 03:52 AM (ISO 8601)
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You know, this is an old hat. Tolkien's elves are male dominated. Not as strictly as the Drow are female dominated (I guess, never really read a book about them), but still...elvish women need their father's consent for marriage...even though they are some thousand years old. Such stuff.
I'd like to see a female dominated elvish culture that is not evil. Female dominated counterpart of Tolkien's elves. That'd be interesting.
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2011-05-31, 03:56 AM (ISO 8601)
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2011-05-31, 05:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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Guess what? There's already a thread for this. It's long, the fourth in the series, is one the first page and has "official" in the title.
I won a thread. Am I pathetic to list that in my signture? Yes. Of course I am.
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2011-05-31, 05:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Please, Cizak. This is the happy thoughts thread. None of that "debate" stuff here. That's the supposed difference. This is a place for people to say what they feel about V without any possibility that they might be proven wrong. (Edit: This sarcasm provided for humorous effect. I'm ribbing not jabbing.)
In answer to the thread, I think V is female. I won't give my reasons, because my reasoning doesn't really matter in this thread, to be honest. My reasons aren't really good ones anyways. I also think we'll never know for sure what gender V is anyways, unlike the whole MiTD question.
He didn't destroy any evidence. That makes it sound like he was covering something up. He destroyed a theory that was based on faulty assumptions. That's all there was to it.Last edited by ThePhantasm; 2011-05-31 at 07:18 AM.
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2011-05-31, 06:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: WHY do you think V is a guy or girl?
True to most gaming groups accross the globe a typical dnd group will not have more than 1 girl.
I mean I have roleplayed in England, France and Spain and not once have I been to a group that there was more than 1 girl.
Off course some times there were no girls but someone chose to play a female character but that was the exception...
In any case, I dont wish to sound sexist or anything but I think the player behind Haley (if OotS was a real dnd group) would be 100% female as the character has such habbits etc but Varsuvius doesnt strike me as feminine regardless of the fact that the gender is obscure...
I do wonder how come the rest of the party doesnt know or if they do know for certain...
Oh and off course there is the name ... -us is not a typical fantasy or real world female name ending...
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2011-05-31, 06:40 AM (ISO 8601)
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My guess is that Haley's player is a guy and V's player is the only
girl in the group. V's player is, moreover, a radical feminist and the DM included the subplot with gender-changed Roy because of her complaints about the sexism of Roy's player.
It all makes sense: Look at V's hair colour!
Being a radical feminist, V's player would not have stated what gender her elf is, and keep the others guessing in order to reveal their sexist prejudices.
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This thread has nothing to do with anything other than the reasons WHY you originally thought V was male or female.
If you're not willing to post them, this probably isn't the thread for you.
He didn't destroy any evidence. That makes it sound like he was covering something up. He destroyed a theory that was based on faulty assumptions. That's all there was to it.
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2011-05-31, 11:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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I don't care. This thread is supposed to be nothing more than why you first picked a gender for V, not debating evidence.
Of course, it didn't take long for people to ignore that and start calling other posters out when they disagreed with them. So I ask you, will you not disrupt the topic? Please?
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2011-05-31, 11:06 AM (ISO 8601)
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Why do you want our reasons? Is this a poll or something?
In the other V-gender thread, people give their reasons AND discuss them. Here they just give them? That's the difference? So this is just an abbreviated catalog of the other thread?
I'm not trying to belittle the thread here, I just honestly don't understand what its purpose is. Seems redundant. You are certainly right, I suppose, that this isn't the thread for me.
Also, do you mind using the edit button?Last edited by ThePhantasm; 2011-05-31 at 11:07 AM.
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2011-05-31, 11:10 AM (ISO 8601)
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An experiment.
In the other V-gender thread, people give their reasons AND discuss them. Here they just give them? That's the difference? So this is just an abbreviated catalog of the other thread?
I'm not trying to belittle the thread here, I just honestly don't understand what its purpose is. Seems redundant. You are certainly right, I suppose, that this isn't the thread for me.
Also, do you mind using the edit button?Last edited by CaptainIreland; 2011-05-31 at 11:13 AM.
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"And yet, will we ever come to an end of discussion and talk if we think we must always reply to replies? For replies come from those who either cannot understand what is said to them, or are so stubborn and contentious that they refuse to give in even if they do understand." - St. Augustine
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