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2017-08-15, 10:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Hearthstone 20: What is your Quest?
I recall hearing some thoughts from Brode on this topic: essentially, Priest is the most frustrating class to play against when they have the advantage, because of their hero power, and their theft cards compound this frustration. Ergo, they need to keep Priest from being the best class, because of the added frustration factor.
Don't recall where to find the exact text, though.
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2017-08-15, 11:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't see that at all, personally. Their hero power is one of the worst specifically because it's only good when they have the advantage. And I'm pretty sure the theft thing came up before, but I didn't understand it then, either. It's little different from other card draw effects, particularly Rogue's more recent one (albeit more consistently good than Rogue's since you're getting a card someone actually put in a deck, not a completely random class card).
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2017-08-15, 11:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Remember there are a lot of children playing Hearthstone. And kids get frustrated easily. Heck, I get frustrated easily for an adult. But at least I can tolerate loosing a HS game, even by miles. Thing is, by adding the thief cards, a Priest with advantage on the board transfers this advantage into card advantage, and their healing combined with the additional cards means they succeed in the long run.
But that is how the class should work.
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2017-08-15, 11:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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I have discovered that the way to beat Frost Lich Jaina in Arena is Deathwing. My opponent pulled the frost-lich off Kabal Courier... but I had Deathwing from a Bone Drake. Que me running them out of cards, slowly losing the advantage, and then dropping deathwing once their hand was empty. Victory to Destro.
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2017-08-15, 11:50 PM (ISO 8601)
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We're early enough into an expansion that we're still in that greedy try-everything phase (especially in lower ranks, where a significant number of players are always stumbling about with new cards before they have a guide on the best netdeck to copy for sprinting up the ladder), and Priest (already a fairly late-game focused class) got some interesting toys to play with on that end.
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2017-08-16, 12:16 AM (ISO 8601)
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That also just sounds like a description of what any Control deck with card draw can do. Just replace "healing" with whatever the class in question does instead.
That's part of the thing, actually, I don't even think I've seen any new cards in the decks consistently. Shadowreaper Anduin has been in maybe half, and I've seen an Obsidian Statue here or there, and one or two decks running Eternal Servitude or Spirit Lash... I don't know, maybe it's just because it's not obvious what would've been in their decks if I'd seen the whole thing or something. Or because I don't actually think that Priest got anything good enough to make a competitive deck with myself.
(Actually, it's perhaps a touch odd that I've seen so many Priests, but no Benedictus deck as yet. I'd think if I were going to run into someone screwing around with an experimental Priest deck that will likely never be good, that would be the one.)
Honestly, if I were guessing what deck everyone would beeline for, it would've been "Exodia" Paladin, just because people seemed to be overreacting to the potential for that to happen when it was announced. But I don't think I've seen that at all yet - not many Paladins around, and none seemed to be running anything that would indicate they were shooting for a combo into Four Horsemen win (i.e. Beardo, Brewmsters, or the like).Toph Pony avatar by Dirtytabs. Thanks!
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2017-08-16, 12:33 AM (ISO 8601)
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The instant consensus of all the pros that Benedictus sucks is a likely contributor. People netdecking aren't going to be building it, so it has to be a rank amateur who decided it would be fun.
And that's the other problem - going Shadow Priest or Exodia Priest or whatever sounds like a fun deck to build and the decks play quite differently from one another. A Benedictus deck is literally a Control Priest with Benedictus added to it. He doesn't inspire people to build a deck around the card the same way the Quests do.
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2017-08-16, 02:09 AM (ISO 8601)
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An unfortunate series of health problems prevented me from playing on launch, and I've just started putting my cards together into things that one might call decks.
Stuck Deathseer Thrall into an outdated Evolve shell. Seems to work well enough. The ability to single target "evolve" is actually quite useful if you're happy with most of your minions, Evolve being as random as it is. It can also function like the Priest hero power, since the transformed minion is at full health.
I think the key to Deathseer is that you might not want to play him on curve. As others have mentioned losing the base hero power can actually be detrimental to holding the board.
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2017-08-16, 08:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-16, 08:59 AM (ISO 8601)
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I got Benedictus in a pack recently. I'm thinking about throwing together a stupid theft deck and going to have fun in wild.
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2017-08-16, 10:42 AM (ISO 8601)
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Yes, I totally agree that he can also be a fun card, especially if you can organize some weird matchups. Indeed, I adore such exploration of mechanics, and partway wonder if all the current "t1" and "t2" decks were just banned, what kind of meta would then evolve in the new grouping. A Ben V Dead Man matchup would be funny to watch, at least a couple times.
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2017-08-16, 11:02 AM (ISO 8601)
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I played some with this Benedictus deck:
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### Mind Games
# Class: Priest
# Format: Standard
# Year of the Mammoth
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# 2x (1) Crystalline Oracle
# 2x (1) Mind Vision
# 2x (1) Pint-Size Potion
# 2x (1) Potion of Madness
# 2x (3) Curious Glimmerroot
# 2x (3) Mind Control Tech
# 2x (3) Thoughtsteal
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# 2x (4) Shifting Shade
# 2x (5) Devour Mind
# 2x (6) Cabal Shadow Priest
# 2x (6) Embrace Darkness
# 1x (7) Archbishop Benedictus
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# To use this deck, copy it to your clipboard and create a new deck in Hearthstone
It is 100% pure memery, but it's actually surprisingly solid. Basically every card in the deck gives you card advantage in the form of stealing from the opponent in some way. The highlight of the deck was the game I talked about over the weekend where I beat a Paladin to getting the exodia combo off. My one real regret is not being able to fit in Drakonid OP (no other dragons for synergy, getting dragons from opponents is too inconsistent), and I kind of wish I had a better 1 of to include than Anduin (he just does not fit this particular deck very well). But overall fun meme deck. Also Pint Size Potion into Cabal Priest catches the opponent off guard -every- time. Being able to steal a 5-6 attack minions is actually quite good and the opponent never plays around it.If my text is blue, I'm being sarcastic.But you already knew that, right?
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2017-08-16, 11:20 AM (ISO 8601)
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Re: Hearthstone 20: What is your Quest?
So far, I've seen Benedictus in a couple hilarious decks on Reddit that involved Hemet:
1) A complete steal your deck style deck: nothing above 3, then you get to play their deck!
2) Benedictus, Hemet, DK Anduin, (maybe Raza). Hemet your deck away to guarantee a draw into DK Anduin/Benedictus. DK Anduin, then use Benedictus to grab their deck to fuel your pew pew with the new hero power.
Mostly a reddit theory, take that as it may. Priest is frustrating because they steal your cards then beat you with your own cards. I remember Drakonid Operative being hated so much when it came out.Last edited by Joran; 2017-08-16 at 11:28 AM.
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2017-08-16, 11:54 AM (ISO 8601)
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So I just noticed something, and I'm not sure if it's a bug or a patch I missed. When I'm brawling, I no longer get credit for 'Win X matches as [Class]' quests, at least for when my class is randomly assigned to me.
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2017-08-16, 12:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Honestly the reason I like Valeera and the Deadscales so much is that they can turn a losing game around in a second. A turn of stealth to fire off the quest card and drop two 5/5 lifelinkers means a lot if you're not dead right then and there. And with the nerf I feel like quest rogue needs to transition to much more of a midrange-y style than just the pure aggro.
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2017-08-16, 12:08 PM (ISO 8601)
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Good news, Zevox! This tavern brawl is complete and utter randomness! You don't even get to pick your class!
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2017-08-16, 01:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Doing fully random Tavern Brawls right when the expansion hits (Shiftcon last week and Crossroads this) is pretty smart. Blizzard doesn't need to come up with a new one and they get to showcase the new cards for those who haven't bought them. Plus, with it being random it encourages people to try out cards they ordinarily wouldn't. I just had a Ticking Abomination be VIP.
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2017-08-16, 01:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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2017-08-16, 03:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Speaking personally, Priest is my favorite class, given that it inhabits a similar wedge of the Magic color pie as U/B/W. It's tailor-made for Control. I know it's not the most effective class but it will always be my go-to for constructed or when I have a choice while Brawling.
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2017-08-16, 06:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Yeah, I concluded much the same right away, but this is the community which a significant chunk of went completely nuts over Gnomeferatu of all cards, so I would have figured there'd be plenty of people out there who think Benedictus was great for similar reasons that they thought that card was great and would jump on him quickly.
Yeah, and that baffled me then, too. Drakonid Operative is a really good card, at least in any situation where a Dragon Priest deck can be good, but why it copying from your opponent's deck drew any particular ire never made sense to me. I've never seen such ire for Thoughtsteal, which has been around since the game's inception, and has on a few occasions (granted mostly very early in the game's life) made it into real decks just as an Arcane Intellect equivalent.
Speaking as someone who doesn't care at all about Warcraft lore due to having zero attachment to Warcraft of any kind, I have to say, the Lich King's "attempted seriousness" is actually what makes me like him less than other Hearthstone adventure villains to date. He breaks the fourth wall every so often, but lacks the snark of Kel'Thuzad or the bombastic portrayal of Ragnaros or Rafaam. He comes across to me more as a generic, boring villain instead, even with the fourth wall jokes.
Oh, believe me, I noticed. I had to auto-concede twice just to get a class that wasn't Hunter, because apparently the game's RNG hates me. (Seriously, how do they keep managing to make Encounter at the Crossroads worse?) Fortunately, I did win the match I got after, so I don't need to touch this thing again. Unless I get the 5 Brawls quest anyway - but honestly, I might actually toss that if I do this week, good payout be damned.
I would have to disagree - I would think that just after a set comes out would be the time to make one of the Brawls that they've made near the end of sets recently, the ones that give you two decks showcasing the major themes of the set (like the Elementals vs Beasts brawl we had a few weeks back, or the three factions of Gadgetzan brawl). Makes no sense to me that they wait until the next set is nearly out to do those.Toph Pony avatar by Dirtytabs. Thanks!
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2017-08-16, 07:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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I've always hated playing against Priest and had very little interest in playing Priest. Pretty much exactly the same way you feel about Hunter.
The Lich King's attempted seriousness is...yeah. Attempted seriousness? Really? You had Frost Lich Jaina fight a minion named A. F. Key. Blizzard has always suffered from thinking they can mix really juvenile ha-ha-isn't-it-funny humor with drama and expect people to be moved by the drama as if nothing had detracted from it.Orth Plays: Currently Baldur's Gate II
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2017-08-16, 07:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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I dunno, I think it's pretty funny that the Lich King is attempting to be this serious about what is essentially a card game. It reminds me of Yugioh Abridged, and all the tongue in cheek references to how everyone in universe takes this card game completely seriously despite how completely ridiculous it is.
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2017-08-16, 07:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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A.F. Kay was hilarious! As someone who played WoW, having the really inept raid group was funny.
So far, I've enjoyed, but the tonally the best is always Kel'Thu-freakin'zad. I don't think the Lich King would have made a good wise-cracking villain alas, so he's more like Nefarian in BRM.
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2017-08-16, 08:04 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't think that's it - I can absolutely think of things that mix drama and comedy, including fairly juvenile comedy, and still manage to work. The Ace Attorney games, for instance. Or heck, The Order of the Stick. But I can't really call anything in Hearthstone drama - there's not nearly enough story being told here for that. One villain monologueing to to you about how doomed you are while you play a card game does not a dramatic moment make.
Whether Hearthstone could do drama or not, I'd say they've long since passed the point where they've set the game's tone solidly to "lighthearted comedy," so trying to do a villain who's serious in any way which isn't itself funny seems like a poor idea to me.
Haven't seen Yu-gi-oh Abridged, but I didn't really have that kind of reaction to the Lich King myself. I think you'd need to take his attitude up a few notches for me to feel like that's what was going on - have him get really petulant about you beating a boss whose deck he thought was great, perhaps, and rant about how you just got insanely lucky.Toph Pony avatar by Dirtytabs. Thanks!
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2017-08-16, 09:02 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't think that's disagreeing, as such. Either way you're playing with the new cards without buying the new cards. The advantage of the random ones is that they showcase the new cards which might not make it into competitive decks, while the advantage of the pre-constructed decks shows the fun interactions.
I too would generally prefer the latter, although I'm not surprised the Elementals vs Beasts one comes out later - if they're building a paired deck set like that they have to actually balance the decks against each other to make it a fun experience. That's something I wouldn't expect the first week of the expansion since Tavern Brawl is such a low priority. They could have more easily put together the Deckbuilder decks like they've done in the past.
The last couple expansions I don't recall the first Tavern Brawls being random at all - they were either build your own deck silliness or pre-constructed from older expansions. That did feel like a missed opportunity.
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2017-08-16, 09:12 PM (ISO 8601)
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But with random decks you're not necessarily showing the new cards, because the cards are random. You can just as easily get little to no cards from the new set, by the very nature of the beast - especially since, if memory serves, Tavern Brawls are Wild, so the new cards are far outnumbered by the old. I think that would make it poor for showcasing anything.
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2017-08-16, 09:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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I just agreed with you that your way is better, and you're still arguing the point. All I said in my initial post is that is that the random ones were well timed as a zero effort method to get the new cards out there. That's all. Very obviously, constructed decks built around the new cards are better, but Blizzard doesn't have time to do that (or at least, doesn't care to devote the resources), and historically they've done a bad job of getting the new cards into Tavern Brawl.
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Because you specifically said that you didn't feel like what I was saying was disagreeing with your original statement, so I wanted to clarify it. It's not just a matter of contending that constructed decks would be better, it's a matter of not agreeing that random decks are a good way to show off new cards on any level. They're a poor way to show off anything other than RNG, I'd say.
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