OOTS #1088 - The Discussion Thread

**h0m3st4r** · 2017-08-05, 11:31 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Gift Jeraff

Durkon's soul is providing the memories, not his brain.

Well, as long as that soul is intact, Durkon has a fighting chance. I just can't wait to see Durkula's scheme of revenge blow up in his face.

**woweedd** · 2017-08-06, 12:23 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Peelee

False. See here.

OK...You just made me burst out laughing at 1 AM. I'm both impressed and a little annoyed.

**goto124** · 2017-08-06, 02:11 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Peelee

False. See here.

You made me go to the desktop site just to see the post.

Yup, showsinglepost doesn't work on the mobile site.

**Chei** · 2017-08-06, 03:19 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Jasdoif

Hm. I suppose there may be definitions for "full caster" other than "has a caster level equal to their class level".

Well, you raised an interesting question in my mind, at least. I got to wondering whether Bards, Rangers, and Paladins could take Metamagic feats, including Improved Spell Capacity, which is Epic.

It seems like they can. At least, there isn't explicit language forbidding it.

So a Paladin could theoretically take five Improved Spell Capacity feats, and gain a high enough level to achieve 24 cross-class skill ranks in Spellcraft in addition to their 24 class skill ranks in Knowledge: Religion.

**Peelee** · 2017-08-06, 06:28 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by woweedd

OK...You just made me burst out laughing at 1 AM. I'm both impressed and a little annoyed.

I aim to please.

Originally Posted by goto124

You made me go to the desktop site just to see the post.

Yup, showsinglepost doesn't work on the mobile site.

Huh. That's interesting.

**goto124** · 2017-08-06, 06:36 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Peelee

Huh. That's interesting.

Yep. If you're on the mobile site, going to any showsinglepost page leads you to a page with nothing but a nice white color. The entirety of the page's code is:

<html>
<head>
<style type="text/css">
:root #header + #content > #left > #rlblock_left
{ display: none !important; }
</style>
</head>
<body></body>
</html>

**Peelee** · 2017-08-06, 06:55 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by goto124

Yep. If you're on the mobile site, going to any showsinglepost page leads you to a page with nothing but a nice white color. The entirety of the page's code is:

Well, I played around for a bit, and I can fix it. Problem is, it just doesn't look as clean with the desktop site. I could also put a second link in there for mobile users, but thst makes it read a bit clunky. Don't much like my options here.

**Curupira** · 2017-08-06, 08:03 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Peelee

Well, I played around for a bit, and I can fix it. Problem is, it just doesn't look as clean with the desktop site. I could also put a second link in there for mobile users, but thst makes it read a bit clunky. Don't much like my options here.

I've browsed vBulletin's forums and found a solution for the both the desktop and the mobile users.

**goto124** · 2017-08-06, 10:08 AM (ISO 8601)

It's a URL shortener, I wouldn't click on that without checking it first!

I added a + at the end of the bit.ly link. It's a link to a Youtube video of a song about never giving you up, never gonna let you down...

In case anyone was wondering, this works on mobile. It shows the entire thread and snaps to a particular post, instead of trying to display an isolated post. I think that's what Peelee was thinking.

**GreatWyrmGold** · 2017-08-06, 02:22 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Gift Jeraff

Durkon's soul is providing the memories, not his brain.

[citation needed]
And even if that was true...what makes you think the soul works differently?

**factotum** · 2017-08-06, 02:46 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by GreatWyrmGold

[citation needed]
And even if that was true...what makes you think the soul works differently?

What he said seems reasonable to me. Durkon is dead--the thing walking around, that looks like him and sounds like him, is a corpse. Why would the brain of said corpse be working any better than the lungs, which we know from strip #982 aren't functioning?

**8BitNinja** · 2017-08-06, 02:52 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by GreatWyrmGold

Dwarven blood? I hear it's at least 20-proof even when they're sober.

Sober Dwarves? I'm going to need you to cite your sources.

**Ruck** · 2017-08-06, 04:08 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by goto124

You made me go to the desktop site just to see the post.

Yup, showsinglepost doesn't work on the mobile site.

Originally Posted by goto124

Yep. If you're on the mobile site, going to any showsinglepost page leads you to a page with nothing but a nice white color. The entirety of the page's code is:

Yeah, I mentioned this in one of the support forums, and the answer I got was essentially "Yeah, use the full desktop site."

**Kardwill** · 2017-08-07, 03:12 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Cap_Hardman

That's funny... My rpg group name is The Order Of Look-Out-Roy-The-Vampire'S-Not-Really-Durkon!

Well, it''s always better than "the Merry Company of Please-Call-the-Police-the-DM-is-Holding-our-Families-Hostage". My players oddly chose that name for our latest campaign, and I don't understand why. I mean, "Merry Company", seriously?

**goto124** · 2017-08-07, 05:13 AM (ISO 8601)

You're supposed to hold the PCs' families hostage!

**Rogar Demonblud** · 2017-08-07, 11:16 AM (ISO 8601)

Yes, well, many people won't give their PCs any family, so sometimes you need to improvise.

**Manty5** · 2017-08-07, 11:38 AM (ISO 8601)

You know, if Durkon is planning a trap, it could backfire...

Say for example Durkon knows the Banquet hall was since converted to a barracks. But Durkon's been gone for many years now. It could have been converted into storage space, which would be even more advantageous for some stealth refreshing.

**Chei** · 2017-08-07, 11:57 AM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Manty5

You know, if Durkon is planning a trap, it could backfire...

Say for example Durkon knows the Banquet hall was since converted to a barracks. But Durkon's been gone for many years now. It could have been converted into storage space, which would be even more advantageous for some stealth refreshing.

Durkon wouldn't want to lead the vampires to a barracks. Durkon knows that nobody currently in that town can roll the dice with vampires and survive. I think he's giving Durkula what he wants - a secluded space - to buy time for the Order to arrive without further loss of life.

**Manty5** · 2017-08-07, 12:19 PM (ISO 8601)

Even that could backfire. Like I said, Durkon doesn't know what's happened to that space since he was away. So even intending to help could hurt.

EDIT: And given that the reason they want a safe space is to replenish their spells, getting into a battle now is about the only time the city has a chance of overcoming the invaders.

**Peelee** · 2017-08-07, 12:24 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Manty5

Even that could backfire. Like I said, Durkon doesn't know what's happened to that space since he was away. So even intending to help could hurt.

.....So what's Durkon gonna do about it, not try anything ever again?

**Manty5** · 2017-08-07, 12:30 PM (ISO 8601)

I'm only speculating that what might happen next strip would be something that not even Durkon expected.

**Peelee** · 2017-08-07, 12:49 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Manty5

I'm only speculating that what might happen next strip would be something that not even Durkon expected.

Even if he expects the unexpected?

**Chei** · 2017-08-07, 01:08 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Manty5

Even that could backfire. Like I said, Durkon doesn't know what's happened to that space since he was away. So even intending to help could hurt.

EDIT: And given that the reason they want a safe space is to replenish their spells, getting into a battle now is about the only time the city has a chance of overcoming the invaders.

The vampires need to replenish their spells to fight the Order, not to protect themselves from mundane civvies and soldiers. With just grappling and fangs, they killed a cleric of Thor who was at least level 5. That cleric was quite likely one of the most powerful people in town. The Giant talked about this a lot back in the day, but the level of force that high-level characters and monsters (and characters who are monsters) bring to bear is utterly insurmountable to the average person.

Being interrupted would make their defeat by the Order more likely, sure, but it would come at the cost of a huge portion of the town's populace.

Still, I get your point that Durkon's memories are not fully reliable as sources of information and/or deception, dated as they are by about 20 years.

**Grey_Wolf_c** · 2017-08-07, 01:27 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Chei

The vampires need to replenish their spells. With just grappling and fangs, they killed a cleric of Thor who was at least level 5

As far as I am aware, we do not know if it is before or after dusk. They may have already refreshed spells. All we know time-wise is that the OotS should arrive before midnight - which might be a few hours down the line. Did I miss some clue?

GW

**Chei** · 2017-08-07, 01:29 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c

As far as I am aware, we do not know if it is before or after dusk. They may have already refreshed spells. All we know time-wise is that the OotS should arrive before midnight - which might be a few hours down the line. Did I miss some clue?

GW

Uh, yeah. Panel one of the current page.

**Grey_Wolf_c** · 2017-08-07, 01:55 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Chei

Uh, yeah. Panel one of the current page.

Indeed, I missed that last sentence. Thanks!

GW

**Chei** · 2017-08-07, 01:58 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Grey_Wolf_c

Indeed, I missed that last sentence. Thanks!

GW

No problem. It also leaves the hanging question of what the "work" he's talking about is. It sounds ominous to me.

**Kantaki** · 2017-08-07, 02:32 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Peelee

Even if he expects the unexpected?

Especially if he expects the unexepected.

**Shining Wrath** · 2017-08-07, 02:37 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Kantaki

Especially if he expects the unexepected.

After reaching level 16 or so as an adventurer, Durkon should expect The Spanish Inquisition and everything else.

**Gift Jeraff** · 2017-08-07, 02:42 PM (ISO 8601)

Originally Posted by Chei

No problem. It also leaves the hanging question of what the "work" he's talking about is. It sounds ominous to me.

Calling and binding fiends requires some space.

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