Diplomacy - Subterfuge

[Shular]

6 hour warning!

Don't forget, folks, you have to send in disband orders as well as build orders, otherwise I disband the unit furthest from home centres. (Edit: that's not in a centre itself, if that can be avoided)

[Jamin]

Taking into account new factors I have created the new listings

1st is France yes France just look at how petty that teal looks ,simply dazzling to my eyes. Also they are losing one of those hard to take care of Fleets or Armies could they be in a better place right now I think not.

2nd Turkey who lost not 1 but 2 count em 2 sc in one year because of the cleaver plan of fooling everyone into thinking that they will be the 1st to die.

3rd is a tie between Russia and England look at them letting the swiss and the Norse try both types of governments it is so c. u. t. e. cute

5th is Austria because I needed a 5th guy and Austria has 7 letters in it so seven having 5 letters and five having 4 there really was not much of a choice.

6th is that bad old Kaiser and his foul nation of Germany came in 6th in real life right before Russia so it makes sense

7th is Italy I mean look at his guys they are not even close to each well there are those two in Italy but that won't last for long. Soon he be moving them all over the place taking stuff that does not belong to him

okay for reals just because you think something does not make it not pretend,

[Neftren]

Possibly, but my count puts the score 3-3 for an attempt on Sweden. Either Russia would have to slip up, or England would have to pull some brilliant maneuvers to take Sweden.

However, on the flip side it appears Russia has an even smaller chance of taking Nwy again.

Russia may be struggling to fight two wars at once, but the fact they are even capable of fighting two simultaneous wars could be viewed as proof of their power.

Italy may not be winning, but they are certainly doing very well. They paralyzed France with a single fleet, and might have paralyzed Austria as well with their latest move. This next year could either see Italy suddenly blossom in size, or crumble from over extension.

If we give Russia a -1 penalty for position, and a +1 position bonus to England and Italy, then our score count shows:

Russia and, Germany (tied for 1st)
England, France, Austria, and Italy (tied for 3rd)
Turkey: 7th

Turkey is, unfortunately, in the hot seat, but I see a close game for everyone else.

Well the main dilemma with the English is that they just lacked sufficient manpower to take and hold both Norway and Sweden. England now has four units in the immediate area (Norway, Skag, North Sea and Baltic Sea). England's position is slightly better since they can threaten Sweden and still defend London as well as Norway, leaving the other two units to sweep into Sweden. After that, there could be a potential assault on St. Petersburg (especially if England can get a Fleet into the north coast of StP).

[Shular]

Hey guys. Sorry for the delay. I'm at a friend's place, and her computer doesn't have the Dip adjudicator on it (it DOES have a really bad connection, though).

So I'm going to give the Adjustments here, then update the map when I get home tomorrow morning. Sorry for the delay and confusion.

Austria: Builds army in Bud
Germany: Builds army in Ber
Russia: No order received, leaving 1 unused build
Turkey: No order received, Fleet Aeg disbanded
France: No order received, Fleet Por disbanded

[Shular]

1903 Build Results:



Spring, 1904, orders due:
Tuesday, Dec 9th, 23:00 Hours

However, because of some of the delays and confusion, I'm willing to extend the deadline by 24 hours if anyone requests it. Otherwise, we'll just leave it as stands.

[Shular]

24 hour warning!

[Shular]

The boards were down for a while last night, so, between that and other stuff, deadline extended to tomorrow night or when all orders are in, whichever comes first. Still missing 2 sets of orders.

[Kroy]

Out of curiosity, what program do you use to generate that map?

[Neftren]

Diplo I believe.

[Shular]

Spring 1904 Results:



Russia:
Smy S Bla - Con: OK
Bla - Con: OK
Rum - Gal: OK
Fin S Swe H: OK
Bot S Swe H: OK
Swe H: OK

Italy:
Ven - Pie: OK
Apu - Ven: Bounce with Tri;
Boh - Sil: Bounce with Ber;
MAt - Spa: Bounce with Spa;

Germany:
Bel - Ruh: OK
Ber - Sil: Bounce with Boh;
Hol - Bel: OK
Kie - Hol: OK
Den S Ska - Swe: OK
A mun s a vie-try: Failed...ambiguous. "Try" could be Tri or Tyr

England:
Bal - Lvn: OK
Ska - Swe: Bounce with Swe;
Nwy S Ska - Swe: OK
Nth S Nwy H: OK

Austria:
A Bud S: [F Bla -> Con]: Failed, order for Bud superceded by later order
Ser - Gre: Bounce with Gre;
Vie - Tyr: OK
Bud - Vie: OK
Tri - Ven: Bounce with Apu;

Turkey: NMR

France: NMR

Turkey disbands unit in Con

*** Adjudicated with Diplo 2.8 ***

Well, I gave them as much opportunity as I could to respond (including PMs). The Diplo 2.8 site is here.

Fall 2004 orders due Saturday, December 13th, 23:00 hours.

[Kroy]

When turkey falls, will you tell us who he (or she) was?

[Psionic Dog]

I'm sort of surprised Italy hasn't made a move on England. Liv isn't exactly that well defended from the West...

[Kalirren]

I'd just like to lodge an objection: Yes, miswritten orders fail (e.g. F Por-Spa, no coast specified: to see why it must be interpreted as a hold order, consider what dispute would have resulted in the event of Italy having ordered in the same turn F WMed S F Por-Spa (North).) But again, an order with only one possible meaning must be followed. A Mun S Vie-Try is pretty unambiguous despite the typo. The rationale that the order A Mun S Vie-Try is ambiguous because of Tyrolia and Trieste is bollocks, because Try -must- mean Tyrolia in this case: A Munich cannot support a move to Trieste. It does not border Trieste.

Fortunately, it didn't impact any outcome this round.

Edit: there are still people who don't know who people are? That's very surprising, given that everyone's been given the free identity of Germany. I thought I had things figured out as soon as I saw orders for Spring 1901.

[Shular]

A Mun S Vie-Try is pretty unambiguous despite the typo. The rationale that the order A Mun S Vie-Try is ambiguous because of Tyrolia and Trieste is bollocks, because Try -must- mean Tyrolia in this case: A Munich cannot support a move to Trieste. It does not border Trieste.

I know what you're saying. However, VIE could move to Tyr and Tri, and so either interpretation, while one can not be completed, is still valid.

I should bring up one other point. Miswritten orders are a valid strategy in this game. It is quite possible that one player may promise another to submit a specific order that he or she doesn't want to submit. So they'll INTENTIONALLY miswrite an order, allowing them to say "Sorry friend, I didn't mean to mess up that order," when they DID mean to mess it up. My assuming the intention of an order could, in fact, be contrary to the desires of the player.

This is the main reason that I want to take the orders as literally as possible.

Edit: A similar example is Austria's "A Bud S: [F Bla -> Con]". The obvious assumption would be that he meant "A Bul". However, it's possible that Austria didn't really WANT to support Russia, and so miswrote the order in the hopes that Russia would bounce.

[Moody the Wise]

I know I'm the one who brought it up last time, but seriously guys, let's all just learn to spell and this won't be a problem. Take some pride in the orders you write. Learn the full names of the territories so that the abbreviations make sense. Check your orders after you've written them. Heck, if you need a second set of eyes, send them to me before you send them to Shular.

[Kroy]

I know I'm the one who brought it up last time, but seriously guys, let's all just learn to spell and this won't be a problem. Take some pride in the orders you write. Learn the full names of the territories so that the abbreviations make sense. Check your orders after you've written them. Heck, if you need a second set of eyes, send them to me before you send them to Shular.

Nice try

[Shular]

23 hour warning!

[Shular]

Less than 1 hour warning, and still waiting for some orders. Let's get'er done, folks.

[Shular]

Heh, I've got you spoiled. I've got a major headache right now, so I'm going to bed, and will adjudicate the orders first thing upon waking up. Sorry.

[Shular]

Fall Results:



Russia:
Smy - Ank: OK
Con S Smy - Ank: OK
Gal - War: OK
Bot - StP: Bounce with Lvn;
Swe H: Dislodged by Ska 3:2;
Fin S Swe H: OK

Italy:
Apu - Ven: OK
Pie S Apu - Ven: OK
Boh - Sil: OK
MAt - Por: OK

Germany:
Ber - Pru: OK
Hol - Bel: Bounce with Bel;
Bel - Pic: Bounce with Pic;
Mun S Ruh - Bur: OK
Ruh - Bur: OK
Den S Ska - Swe: OK

England:
Ska - Swe: OK
Lvn - StP: Bounce with Bot;
Nwy S Ska - Swe: OK
Nth S Nwy H: OK

Austria:
Vie H: OK
Tri - Adr: OK
Tyr - Ven: Defeated by Apu 2:1;
Bul - Gre: OK
Ser S Bul - Gre: OK

France: NMR

Turkey: NMR

Turkey may retreat army in Ank to: Arm

France may retreat army in Bur to: Par Mar

Turkey may retreat army in Gre to: Alb

Russia disbands unit in Swe

*** Adjudicated with Diplo 2.8 ***

France and Turkey have NMR'd twice in a row, so I will adjudicate their retreats/disbanding. Thus, all three disband, leaving:



Russia takes Ank from Turkey.
Russia takes Con from Turkey.
Austria takes Gre from Turkey.
England takes Swe from Russia.
Italy takes Por from France.

Russia may build 3 units.
Italy may build 1 unit.
England may build 1 unit.
Austria may build 1 unit.

If France shows up and wants to dispute this decision, he has until build due date to do so, in which case he'll have to tell me where he wants to retreat to and which unit he wants to disband.

Builds due Monday, December 15th, NOON (12:00)!
(Note the time!)

[Jamin]

I think we should look for a new France

[Shular]

I think we should look for a new France

I've sent a couple PM invitations out, but so far no response. If you know someone who would be interested in joining, please have them contact me. In fairness to the new player, I'll divulge who is playing what to him or her.

[Kroy]

Since Turkey is defeated, will you tell us who was turkey?

[Shular]

Since Turkey is defeated, will you tell us who was turkey?

Heh, anyone want to guess?

[Kroy]

Either Daniel M or Aergoth.

[Shular]

Either Daniel M or Aergoth.

Perhaps.

I have found a replacement France. I'm sure he'll begin contacting you shortly.

[Psionic Dog]

Either Daniel M or Aergoth.

I've believed Aergoth to be the Turkish leader since Fall 1901.
It'll be somewhat embarising to me if they aren't.

Anyway,
Dear France, whoever you are, apparently you have the advantage of knowing distinctly who all of us are. Most of us have guesses (sometimes correct guesses) on who the others are, but very few of us are completely confident in our lists. Don't be too quick to give up that slim edge.

Anyway I (apparently you'll know what country I am) wish to offer you cardinal greetings, peace, and friendship.

[Moody the Wise]

Well, I know Aergoth isn't Italy, and my first assumption was also that he was Turkey.

[Shular]

1904 Build Results:



Austria builds Fleet Trieste: OK

Italy builds Fleet Naples: OK

England builds Fleet London: OK

Russia bulds Fleet St. Petersburg (SC): OK
Russia builds Army Moscow: OK
Russia builds Fleet Smyrna: Fails...units can only be built in home supply centers.

Spring 1905 orders due
Thursday, December 18th, 23:00 hours

[Abelard]

Mu-hu-hwa-hwa-hwa!!

{Oh, dear, that was a terrible evil laugh. I'll try again.}

Mwah-ha-ha-ha-ha!!

{Eh, better.}

Now it can be told - it was I controlling Turkey all along! From the shadows!! When I missed the game entry, I convinced someone to let me play through them, and I've been calling the shots all along. Well, except for all the bad moves, of course - those were mixed signals, and I had nothing to do with those. Nor the NMRs; oh the many NMRs!! But those one or two really good ones were all mine.

Oddly enough, being eliminated now gives me a certain amount of freedom in this game. Truly liberating. I've decided to step into the game directly now that Turkey is eliminated, how deliciously ironic.

Moody, good to be able to talk to you directly again, always a pleasure. Your cries of "positional poverty" were amusing. Granted, you may be trading your homeland for France/Spain... I tried to convince my pawn that you could be trusted, but it fell on deaf ears.

As none of the rest of you have publicly outed yourselves, I won't make any other comments at this time. But you have all made this game fun, so thanks.