Werewolf Classic VIII - Archaeological Wolves

[Boo]

Yes, I am. Why not? Since EK was killed, I've no real suspects besides the ones pointed out by JX and Shadow.

I do have HH on my suspects list, but I've chosen to point at TS today.

[Mustiado]

Wow, the Devil's gone by the wolves' own hands. Back luck for them. Can I retroactively credit this to the Luck Of The Vulpine? (Heh, starting to turn into a catchphrase of mine)

Anyhow... regarding the great Mustiado-Jontom debate...

Well, my 'score system 2.0' has Mustiado in the lead with 3.25, but he just doesn't feel like a wolf to me. I highly doubt he'd pull a stunt and 'expose' the seer in public when he could just have told the rest of the pack in private. And now that the Devil's dead, that possible excuse is gone.

As for Jontom, my suspicions are starting to wane. My theory was that if he IS a wolf, he would only kill Murska if they were pretty sure his seerness, as it would horribly incriminate him otherwise. Now that it's clear that the wolves weren't in contact with the Devil, that theory loses credence. Of course they could have figured it out on their own as well, with Mustiado's post (who Reinholdt claimed he was talking to as well). So... I still don't know. Perhaps it's just his aggressiveness that's rubbing me wrong.

As for Tormsskull, I can't seem to locate the arguement against him. Could someone give me a cliff notes version?

In the meantime, I'm going to have to go with my previous suspicion of hap_hazard

Actually, it's kind of ironic that you bring this up again, Phantom, as Tormsskull is using the same faulty defense again to take suspicion away from himself.

We already established once that the wolves and the devil were blind from each other, the first time Torms suggested the DD "drop-out" lynch was a ploy to protect the devil. Now the wolves have accidentally night killed the devil, and he's still claiming they protected him? It doesn't make a lot of sense.

I'll stick with Tormsskull, as it seems we started a tidy little bandwagon against him.

Also, JX... I'm not personally offended, but I tend to get very 'involved' when I do analysis, especially for my defense. Don't worry. I'm not offended or angry.

EDIT: Sorry Torms, I just saw that you already reminded us that your logic was bad. But still, what has been set in motion and all that... I still give Shadow the credit for making you look suspicious in the first place.

[PirateMonk]

Tormsskull seems fairly innocent, though I'm probably wrong. Hap_hazard.

[Tormsskull]

EDIT: Sorry Torms, I just saw that you already reminded us that your logic was bad. But still, what has been set in motion and all that

That's ok, gotta go with what you think is best. Under the assumption that you lynch me and I turn up villager, what conclusions will you be able to draw?

... I still give Shadow the credit for making you look suspicious in the first place.

So, if turns out I am a villager, that would make it a bad move on his part, right? Make sure to mention that if I get lynched

[Boo]

You're right, perhaps we should try someone else. Lord Rod.

[Eldritch Knight]

I'd like to point out that back on Post #79 I totally called this. EK was going to be killed very early on, and DD decided he didn't have enough time to play, and self-sacrificed. In turn, that saved EK. At that point I called attention to the fact that I wondered if that was a scheme to save the Devil. While my logic turned out to be wrong (evidenced by the fact that the wolves ate their devil) my instinct was correct in thinking EK was the Devil.

If I do get lynched today, I would also like to point out the fact that Shadow started the idea that I was guilty, as indicated by his earlier post and other people saying "I'm following Shadow in pointing at Tormsskull." All credit should be attributed to him & his grenade launcher or RPG or whatever.


As for my point, I'm going with hap_hazard.

Well, can't say I'm surprised. After all, people have played with me often enough to know that trusting me is a lot like trusting Shadow - suicide at worst and problematic at best.

[Boo]

My distrust for you started with Alarra pointing your way on the first day. That lead me to want to test you as a wolf, which would have lead me to believe Alarra was a wolf too.

Then there was your "I don't want to sway the votes" point, which was REALLY suspicious. I wouldn't compare you to Shadow, but then again I haven't really played with you all to often.

[The Valiant Turtle]

I guess I'll join the bandwagon, Tormskull.

[Shadow]

trusting Shadow - suicide at worst and problematic at best.

Someone run and make an inspirational poster of this!


@V: Well done!

[Reinholdt]

Done and done.

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[Zar Peter]

I'm remembering Lama Lama Duck... and I knew he was a bad guy there...

[The Bushranger]

grr, was busy and somehow missed a night.
Anyway:
Tormskull

[Selrahc]

Banjo why did you think I was definitely a wolf?

If you are a villager, it doesn't make much sense with my all wolf record, and if you are a wolf it fits perfectly into the "Draw suspicion then get a lynch" archetype.

[evnafets]

Ok, thats enough. Time to pull out the old chestnut.

There is no way the bandwagon for Tormsskull would have grown this fast if he was a wolf. There would have been other dissenting views by now. Shadow was completely wrong about Helgraf. He may or may not be right about Tormsskull - who has been using faulty logic, but I think we can do better than just blindly following.

Lets go back to day 3 shall we? Votes to lynch Reinholdt had come out early (Shadowcaller, Deathslayer, Murska) - we now know this was prompted by a scry. The bandwagon stalled as other names came were put forward - but noone else took the lead. Until there was a rush of votes for Helgraf. It was started by Shadow (back in 161), PhantomFox(174), and then 3 in a row - Mustiado, Haphazard, Kwarkpudding
That was enough to lynch Helgraf and save Reinholdt.

I think those three names have been mentioned by others as well.

Haphazard and Kwarkpudding were on the seer's bandwagon. Mustiado (right at the end) was not.

I think HapHazard is more suspicious than Tormsskull at this point.
evnafets points at HapHazard

[Istari]

Mustiado
Multiple bandwagons make brain hurt

[Alarra]

I don't particularly care for either bandwagon, but Haphazard's has better reasoning.

[Mustiado]

Good news Torms, I think we have something useful out of today! Plus you might not get lynched!

hap_hazard, and I urge everyone else to do the same.

[Boo]

You're quite right, we did get information out of today. I'm positive this game isn't going to go well for the wolves.

[SweetLikeLemons]

hap-hazard

[Lex-Kat]

I'll change my point to Hap-Hazard.

But I'm still watching you Tormskull.

[Cynan Machae]

This hasn't changed much what I thought from last round. I'm going with Mustadio again.

[happyturtle]

Blargh. Removing point, again. Yeah, I know all the vote changing makes me look suspicy.

Brain hurts. Have to go to work.

[Dragoon]

Hearing the others talk about whom might be a wolf, since the devil is in now dead, made their lives easier, made the strangely dressed man quite smiling. The two bandwagons that went up quickly worried the man, though hap_hazard seemed much more worrisome at the moment.

[Deathslayer7]

wow. just wow.

not sure who to point at, so saving it.

[Boo]

*looks at DS7 with suspicion*

Ye be a sneaky lass, but I amn't fallin' fer yer tricks this time, ye evil bird, ye![/joke]

[Jontom Xire]

<sigh>

How is it when Evnafets repeats exactly my logic, everyone folows him.

Anyway, I find the speed with with which the hap_hazard bandwagon has grown fairly suspicious, and particularly the Mustiado point. I suspect that Hap_hazard may well be a wolf, but the way Mustiado didn't just point at him, but actually urged everyone else to point at him makes it seem to me that he saw a run away bandwagon and figured he'd get a good cover story but not so much joining it, but appearing to give it a hefty push at a critical moment.

Trouble is I could see that even if he hadn't given it a shove it probably would have run well enough anyway.

[Nychta]

Okay, we got lucky with the wolves killing the devil, but now I'm unsure as to who to vote for.
I'm sort of tossing up between hap_hazard and Kwarkpudding. The speed of the hap_hazard bandwagon puts me off, though, and Kwarkpudding has explained her odd voting record. I'd prefer to wait, but I don't want to forget and get auto'd like I did in Memesville...
hap_hazard

[The Valiant Turtle]

Changing point to hap_hazard since there seems to be a better argument for him.

[hap_hazard]

hap_hazard

Good luck.

[Zar Peter]

day will end in about 3 hours