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2011-01-18, 05:37 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion: There's a God for that! Except for Sorcery, of course
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2011-01-18, 05:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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But I already made a suggestion. And it was a suggestion by me. That makes it the best suggestion.
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Solipsistic Rejection of Impossibilities RAAAAAAGE
(So, I've been doing so poking around with the official maps of Creation and...the distance between the Blessed Isle and the Threshold is really freaking huge. I never realized just how mystical "The Blessed Isle" should seem to mortals outside of it. A Dynast showing up in the threshold would be like Native Americans just randomly showing up in Europe in the ~1500s. Like "Yeah, you've probably heard of us; what's up?")5e D&D Mythos Classes
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2011-01-18, 05:58 PM (ISO 8601)
Re: General Exalted Discussion: There's a God for that! Except for Sorcery, of course
Green Sun Princes don't become Primordials...not really, not ultimately. They never get the kilomote of Essence, they never get a Fetich...but they also never give up their Exaltations. And technically, they get their Charms and Excellency and Immortality at Essence 6, which is much easier for an Infernal to achieve in normal play given Ascendancy Mantle of (Yozi).
Also, there are two faulty assumptions at work here:
Assumption 1: Being a Primordial is better than being an Exalt. False. Patently. Exalted and Primordial Charms exist on the same tier, but any given Exalt has a much broader conceptual playground in which their Charms may operate. In exchange, a Primordial has deeper reserves of motes to draw upon...but they also bear the brunt of their Lesser and Greater Imperfections more keenly, because they can never reach outside of themselves. The Ebon Dragon will never not be weak to Holy. Never. Not without changing who he is (Fetich death) or eliminating Holy as a possible opposition (also not possible, as we now know, while any uncorrupted Solar shards remain in play, along with the Aidenweiss). Bob the Fiend, however, can get a Holy smack in the face, learn his lesson, and also take other Yozi perfects that bridge this hole in the Ebon Dragon's magic.
Assumption 2: The Green Sun Princes are the only ones who become titans. False, but on shakier ground than the above. Solars are long rumored to have paths to becoming Primordials--especially notable because a Solar in freelancer Nephial's infamous 8-year game underwent Primordial apotheosis. At the same time, one can see the beginnings of this in Queen k'Tula. Abyssals have -always- been said to transcend, becoming something worse than the Neverborn. Green Sun Princes are not alone in transcendence. Merely the ones for whom it is the most attractive option.
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2011-01-18, 06:03 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-01-18, 06:14 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-01-18, 06:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-01-18, 06:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion: There's a God for that! Except for Sorcery, of course
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2011-01-18, 06:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion: There's a God for that! Except for Sorcery, of course
Says who GSPs don't get the kilomote of essence and the like, and do lose their exaltation. They get to design their own charm trees based off of those of the yozis. To my mind, that explicitly includes (green sun prince) Cosmic Principle, which covers the previous comments.
The best part, as long as he doesn't learn/develop (green sun prince) Pantheon Unfurling, he never has to cope with the difficulties inherent in Fetich souls, and as long as they don't do (green sun prince) Glory Incarnate they still maintain the flexibility to act outside the purview of their excellency.
This is why GSPs are Primordial 2.0. They get so many of the benefits, none of the drawbacks they don't choose to inflict on themselves, and having truly ascended (when and if they so choose), they get to give birth to another little baby primordial.
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2011-01-18, 06:35 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion: There's a God for that! Except for Sorcery, of course
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2011-01-18, 06:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion: There's a God for that! Except for Sorcery, of course
Heh, I don't play Exalted, though it does sound interesting, but reading the tropes page is like reading what would happen if all the Mary Sues in the universe got together in one world. It's so . . .saturated, like chocolate fudge syrup verses tea with sugar, like a bright florescent orange and yellow reflective vest verses faded blue jeans
It . . . sparkles.
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2011-01-18, 06:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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And you'd think they interfered...
They don't. IT'S SO MUCH AWESOME.Recent Homebrew: The Socialite | The Crystalline: Memory Altering Construct Race | Sanguine Hand, a ToB Discipline of blood and cruelty
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2011-01-18, 06:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think you're pulling a common mistake of the sci-fi/fantasy writer/reader, and not looking at the scale involved.
The mainland Blessed Isle is roughly 1.4 times the size of Australia (so about 4125000 square miles). The Threshold itself is so big that I'm not even going to try to figure that one out, but it's big. I believe that the part shown on the map encompasses more land then there is on Earth.
The Inland Sea, by comparison, is a measly 400-800 miles in most places. The distance from the east coast of the US to the UK is over 3000 miles. Crossing the Inland Sea is actually fairly trivial.Awesome Cyborg Doom Monkey avatar by Lord Fullbladder, Master of Goblins. Offer up your robo-bananas to him.
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2011-01-18, 06:45 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion: There's a God for that! Except for Sorcery, of course
Actually, they are explicitly incapable of taking [Dude] Cosmic Principle. Not that you'd want to, I think. Essence 10 for a Devil Tiger is fertile ground. Primordials can't make more charms for themselves. So, lets say the Ebon Dragon has, hypothetically, 20 Essence 10 super-charms. You can have 50, given enough time. Or a hundred. Or however many you feel like getting. And I imagine you can make enough that it starts to look better than gaining a 1000 mote pool coupled with all the downsides. (Maybe at Essence 10, a Devil-Tiger can finally make Immanent Infernal Glory /jealous)
The Abyssals do, anyway.
Actually, now that you point this out, I think I was just under the mistaken impression that the US and Europe were a bit closer than they actually are. My bad.Last edited by Xefas; 2011-01-18 at 06:49 PM.
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2011-01-18, 06:48 PM (ISO 8601)
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ya, it only proves that awesomeness only causes more awesome to grow, rather than awesome being self-interfering. It means the awesomeness is in some way cooperative, since for you to be awesome enough to defeat something,then that something must logically be almost as awesome in the first place in order for you to need to be awesome enough to defeat them.
however, it seems that sueness cancels each other out, mary sues seem only to be mary sues when there are no other sues around, meaning mary sueness can only exist within a vacuum.
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2011-01-18, 06:49 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion: There's a God for that! Except for Sorcery, of course
I use black for sarcasm.
Call me Rose, or The Rose Dragon. Rose Dragon is someone else entirely.
If you need me for something, please PM me about it. I am having difficulty keeping track of all my obligations.
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2011-01-18, 06:51 PM (ISO 8601)
Re: General Exalted Discussion: There's a God for that! Except for Sorcery, of course
This. Albeit with the caveat that Yozi -can- make new Charms for themselves. They just already made every Charm that they can conceive of making. Thus, Green Sun Princes are a powerful ally because they can create a new Ebon Dragon Charm that, because of his limited mentality, he could never think up on his own. The advantage isn't that there's some arbitrary limit on the number of Charms that a Yozi can have. The advantage is that the Green Sun Prince gets HIS Charms, and the Charms of at least six other Yozi.
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2011-01-18, 06:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion: There's a God for that! Except for Sorcery, of course
There are more things in heaven and earth, Horatio,
Than are dreamt of in your philosophy.
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2011-01-18, 06:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-01-18, 06:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion: There's a God for that! Except for Sorcery, of course
Nothing is stopping the Devil Tiger from making a hundred different ten mote essence pool charms.
>.>
On the other other hand, Creation is bigger the map. Especially if you go into the Elemental Poles, which just keep going...
Also, you can dig down in Creation and never reach the bottom.
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2011-01-18, 06:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-01-18, 06:58 PM (ISO 8601)
Re: General Exalted Discussion: There's a God for that! Except for Sorcery, of course
In the same way that there is no rule against a Solar making a Permanent Charm that lets him learn Lunar, Sidereal, Infernal, and Abyssal charms without a tutor for 2 XP a piece. Or a rule against creating a Charm that lets an Infernal pay 1m to ignore any downsides of any Primordial Charm. These are words you can string together, and there is no rule against bad Charm design...only the fact that it remains bad Charm design.
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2011-01-18, 07:05 PM (ISO 8601)
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The full map I have I calculate at just under 2.25 billion square kilometers, or a little more than four times the size of earth. Though I think it might be first age and so has shrunk a bit.
Though autocthonia is the one that gets truly ridiculous, given that it's circumference is 3 times earth IIRC and measures inhabitable space in cubic.
edit: Nope. Second age is 4 times as large as earth.
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2011-01-18, 07:15 PM (ISO 8601)
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2011-01-18, 07:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Actually...wait; this revealed an interesting point to me.
Why are there +10 mote charms in the Yozi trees anyway? They have a charm that says "You have 1000 motes; no more, no less". Why do they all also have a charm that says "You have +10 motes"? 'How can they have that charm?', I suppose, would also be a valid question.
The same problem arises with Ascendancy Mantle, but I've always thought that worked better as a Heretical Charm anyway. In fact, wouldn't it make a bit more sense to get rid of all the mote expanders, and just have a Heretical (take this Essence times) mote expander ala Immanent Infernal Glory?
Stuff like Skyfire Seizing Repast and Temple Self Apotheosis would make good potential prerequisites.5e D&D Mythos Classes
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2011-01-18, 07:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: General Exalted Discussion: There's a God for that! Except for Sorcery, of course
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Not quite. To quote Return of the Scarlet Empress,
Spoiler"As it was the judgment of the Most High that determined who is a creature of darkness, the Sun’s death removes this designation from existence and makes Holy Charms largely useless. The Ebon Dragon laughs as his imperfection closes. Nothing can kill him now."