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2012-03-25, 06:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
I meant in the story.
That'd probably work.
Doubt that's going to happen for two reasons. 1) I don't write in english and 2) I'm not nearly comfortable with my writing abilities to show my work to anyone
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2012-03-25, 06:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
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You still run into problems there, as if the population is that high to start with, while, yes, one would need to start reproduction, one doesn't want that much of a large perpetual underclass of breeder-slaves, one wants people who can contribute more than just breeding and so you'd either need a larger slave caste including male workers or you'd need to acknowledge that the breeder-slave caste would by necessity have to be phased out once you had enough people to actually have a society.
And if they're mechanized then they have no incentive to keep slaves alive for the purpose of breeding alone and there's no task that you'd want an exclusively female population for aside from breeding but you don't need that high of a population if you have the resources and tech to do robo-cops.
TL;DR I feel you need to seriously rethink your premise because it does not seem to hold up very well at all.
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2012-03-25, 06:29 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
It's actually the reason I left my school's LGBT club. I didn't even ask them to add an "A", I was so disgusted. So many of those kids I'd seen in other parts of the school, actively dating people of the opposite gender, yet claiming they were "gay". It gets worse, because of the people in that room, the MtF all gave pretty much the same reason for why they were MtF. Because they thought that women were attractive, not because they felt they weren't in the right body.
I did not ask "why are you trans?", I asked "what are previous experiences with your gender orientation/sexuality?" I joined as gender ambiguous (androgyny?), and was dismissed as "not really LGBT".
Oh, and only two people in that room were actually gay. The rest claimed to be "bi", because of that's what I've heard from every girl at my school. "I'm bi!" (they'll announce it willy nilly, like nobody cares, in a room full of intolerant bullies). I really hate to look like such an intolerant *******, but I can't put my anger into words. My school's LGBT club is full of phonies.Steam username is Triscuitable.
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2012-03-25, 06:31 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Okay, I understand the situation better (therefore my question WAS kinda stupid). However...
Hope you're aware this is rape.
Just not traditional rape.
And I also second Coidzor.
I can see a misogynist FtM, they certainly exist (after all, my father was Jewish and antisemitic!). I don't really see how one would be allowed with such a job in a progressive society. And I have a really hard time understanding how we could have that weird blend of rampant misogyny and acceptance of trans* people. Plus all the rest.
EDIT: last thing, but maybe it's just me:
Honestly, I don't like "repopulation plots" very much. It's almost always considered as the only option. No, you could also decide that it's not worth building a whole society from scratch, and that living your life 'till the end, having children only if you want it, is enough.
When you decide that repopulating a place is the best solution, unless the whole population somehow agrees on all the specifics, you are going to run into grave issues of sexism, respect of one's body, and others. And I don't like reading these kinds of stories, because I find there's enough of it in real life.Last edited by Mono Vertigo; 2012-03-25 at 06:37 PM.
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2012-03-25, 06:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Hardly progressive, they had a segregated military and counted FtMs as women.
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Then you're suffering from a lack of scale if you have a population of tens of thousands of people to start with and you decide to 1. keep a term that would be outdated and stupid even within the first generation let alone the children of that rape by artificial inseminator. Because even if they're not physically raping them personally, they're still forcing them to get pregnant against their will, so it's close enough for most purposes.
The captain has to be sexist for setting up such a society in the first place. Otherwise the most objectionable thing they'd do would incentivize that 10s of thousands of people to willingly reproduce in exchange for commutation of their sentence in favor of letting them be productive members of society. Certainly it's sexist of him to decide that not only are the vast majority of women nothing but breeding slaves, their children, but only the female children, are also to suffer that ignomious and unjust fate.
Further, the fact that he is actually setting up a system that forbids female children from joining the hierarchy of what was a primarily female military structure means he also must be sexist by necessity as well.
People treat one another wrong. Yes. There are people who lie or are confused. Yes. It is quite another thing to go from a bad experience to asserting, in an LGBTA thread that is not a huge glaring pack of phonies no less, that lots(which can easily be taken to mean most and anything more than a vanishingly small number of the misinformed is kind offensive anyway) of transwomen only want to transition because they think that women are hot.
Certainly there's a fair amount of testimony I've heard about preferring the aesthetics of female bodies amongst transwomen, but that just stands to reason given their nature.
Well, I imagine that would be a rather handy explanation as to why they were capable of having relationships with the opposite sex then for you to watch and get annoyed by, eh?
It's hardly any individual bisexual girl's fault that bisexuality in women is viewed in a more acceptable or even positive light by society at large.
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2012-03-25, 06:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
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2012-03-25, 06:46 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
I'm going to to mass spoilers for this:
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SpoilerWell I didn't really give the backstory more thought then female prison ship crashlands -> fast forward few hundred years go! And then started working from there so I'll freely admit it probably needs a lot of work
Yes and that is also why I'm not going into it at all in the story and that is something that just happened in the past.
And I also second Coidzor.
I can see a misogynist FtM, they certainly exist (after all, my father was Jewish and antisemitic!). I don't really see how one would be allowed with such a job in a progressive society. And I have a really hard time understanding how we could have that weird blend of rampant misogyny and acceptance of trans* people. Plus all the rest.
EDIT: last thing, but maybe it's just me:
Honestly, I don't like "repopulation plots" very much. It's almost always considered as the only option. No, you could also decide that it's not worth building a whole society from scratch, and that living your life 'till the end, having children only if you want it, is enough.
When you decide that repopulating a place is the best solution, unless the whole population somehow agrees on all the specifics, you are going to run into grave issues of sexism, respect of one's body, and others. And I don't like reading these kinds of stories, because I find there's enough of it in real life.
They didn't have a segregated military it was a military prison ship for female prisoners.
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Then you're suffering from a lack of scale if you have a population of tens of thousands of people to start with and you decide to 1. keep a term that would be outdated and stupid even within the first generation let alone the children of that rape by artificial inseminator. Because even if they're not physically raping them personally, they're still forcing them to get pregnant against their will, so it's close enough for most purposes.
The captain has to be sexist for setting up such a society in the first place. Otherwise the most objectionable thing they'd do would incentivize that 10s of thousands of people to willingly reproduce in exchange for commutation of their sentence in favor of letting them be productive members of society. Certainly it's sexist of him to decide that not only are the vast majority of women nothing but breeding slaves, their children, but only the female children, are also to suffer that ignomious and unjust fate.
Further, the fact that he is actually setting up a system that forbids female children from joining the hierarchy of what was a primarily female military structure means he also must be sexist by necessity as well.SpoilerSure then he's sexist. Doesn't really matter though since he's long dead.
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
I can see FtM's in that society having a hard time, too - they'd have to constantly 'prove' their masculinity to anyone who knew. Cismales would be assumed to be male or girly, but never outright female.
A lot of genderism would exist, too - there'd be a lot of MtF's who wouldn't want to surrender their rights and a lot of FtM's worried that they may just be envious of males. It'd be... Pretty similar, actually. I think I can actually picture that happening under the right circumstances...
I'd see the captain as feeling that he did what was necessary, but he might have failed to take certain factors into account that got progressively worse as generation after generation missed the point. He'd probably have been sexist, but not nearly bad enough to make things so horrible - that'd probably be a later leader. Who they'd have been and why they'd be so unstable, I can't say.
I also imagine that the inmate caste would quickly become an actual caste, with their children being born into it. That would have some pretty horrifying implications.
I have a bit of trouble picturing robots, though - if they still worked, the population could probably support itself through cloning. It seems like a total technological reset would be more likely to go that wrong.
You probably won't find an accurate result on Google - only people who recognize and report their gender can be counted, and there's not really a good way to account for others.
Honestly, I think phases are more-often the other way around. If you grow up hearing that every spontaneous realization you make will be a "phase" that will go away, well... :/
I don't think there'd be anything wrong with a man who wants to be a woman so he could be hot - I know that I'd like to be hot. It'd be sorta weird in a Silence-of-the-Lambs-ish sort of way, but it wouldn't necessarily indicate that the person objectifies/trivializes feminity (though it may indicate pretty severe self-esteem issues :/).
It may also be worth noting that some of us may actually think that that's the reason, mistaking envy for attraction (or mixing them together) - especially at a young age.
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2012-03-25, 07:16 PM (ISO 8601)
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Protip: Bi isn't some kind of codeword for "gay."
We've already got enough bisexual guilt over having a relationship with a member of the opposite sex in here as it is.
Well, yes, it's an example of the double standards of society, but again, it isn't something you should direct at bisexual women.
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2012-03-25, 07:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
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2012-03-25, 07:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
That's... perfect I must work this in somehow.
I'd see the captain as feeling that he did what was necessary, but he might have failed to take certain factors into account that got progressively worse as generation after generation missed the point. He'd probably have been sexist, but not nearly bad enough to make things so horrible - that'd probably be a later leader. Who they'd have been and why they'd be so unstable, I can't say.
I also imagine that the inmate caste would quickly become an actual caste, with their children being born into it. That would have some pretty horrifying implications.
I have a bit of trouble picturing robots, though - if they still worked, the population could probably support itself through cloning. It seems like a total technological reset would be more likely to go that wrong.Last edited by pffh; 2012-03-25 at 07:29 PM.
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
Arachu, you should stop giving him details for his story, and go write your own.
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2012-03-25, 07:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
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I like the name Bianca. It sounds much better to be when said with an Italian accent, though.
I recently suggested my (asexual) friend Bianca marry our other friend whose surname is Weiss so that she could be White White.
She hit me.Jude P.
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2012-03-25, 07:39 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-03-25, 07:53 PM (ISO 8601)
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I think it's Polish, actually, but obviously the name came from German. And where? Well, she has the Italian accent when she speaks Italian (her accent in English is Philadelphia with a hint of Kentucky), and if she married him, her surname would become Weiss. It's not that complicated even if it does sound kind of silly. Like my Jewish relatives with surnames like McKay or O'Roarty.
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Thanks.
The robots make sense, then... They'd work best if they ran on solar energy, but if they used gasoline that'd be motivation to enslave the prisoners (they'd need a lot of miners, after all). That would imply knowledge of how to make oil-processing plants, but I'd imagine there would be some engineers (who studied those really early in their education) to set them up.
The robots themselves would listen to the captain/leader, the remainder of the command staff and the highest-ranking military staff (who may or may not be the command staff, come to think of it) - that would be an incredible balance of power. It could partially explain why they have such terrible luck with leaders; it's hard to say "no" to a rocket launcher...
It would also likely prevent groups from seceding from the leaders' command, so they would literally be in charge of everything owned by anybody. Damn, I just cringed and I thought of it - and it's fiction!
Actually, I've been thinking about writing lately... I just can't think of what to write and I'm not quite worked up enough to find something. Maybe I'll think about it once I'm done making this Arithmetic Logic Unit design I'm thinking up (it should only be able to do the four basic functions, but it should also be able to 'stack' to make a larger one of whatever size is needed)...
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
I've not really given their powersource any thought and just assumed they ran on magic or the next best thing; a miniature nuclear fusion core of some sorts.
The robots themselves would listen to the captain/leader, the remainder of the command staff and the highest-ranking military staff (who may or may not be the command staff, come to think of it) - that would be an incredible balance of power. It could partially explain why they have such terrible luck with leaders; it's hard to say "no" to a rocket launcher...
It would also likely prevent groups from seceding from the leaders' command, so they would literally be in charge of everything owned by anybody. Damn, I just cringed and I thought of it - and it's fiction!"Elephant trunks should be used for elephant things only. Nothing else."
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I'd recommend you discuss this over in Arts and Crafts to some extent, just so you actually get exposed to those of a more writerly bent as well.
Yeah, but if he doesn't have an Italian accent then you'd run the risk of hearing the name Bianca without an Italian accent.
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
I think I know what you mean. I was just in one of my hour bouts of depression, and this one could have gone for weeks, but only went for about thirty minutes because I was able to talk with the guy I like about it (unfortunately over text(mostly cause he's got no phone and uses his iPod), so I'll have to wait until tomorrow for a hug. But he told me he wanted to help but he rally can't that all he could do was brush me off and get me ready to get back in the ring. Oddly, that was the most comforting thing I could think that someone could say. Mainly because the only other thing than one of his attempts at comforting would be for him to hold me.
I don't know why I let myself be so vulnerable to him. Maybe it's because I trust him more than anyone really. I'm more open with him than anyone else. And he's told me things that he's nigh whispered things to me while noone was in sight lest anyone else hear him say them. And the biggest reason I don't want to go against his wishes is so he doesn't get hurt or feel betrayed. He's already felt too much pain already, and the last thing I want to do is hurt him any more. The thing is he cares about me, so much, and he doesn't want me to heal his pain because the last one to try broke, but I can't let him suffer. walnut want him to be happy and full. But he said that if I try to fix him I will be betraying him. I can't imagine what he's forcing himself to do alk alone.
He needs me... And I want him. He wants me too, I know he does and he's acknowledged this and still does, but he's more concerned with protecting me and my "innocence."
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Re: LGBTAitP - Part 22: The Best There Is
"Bee-ahn-kuh". It doesn't really change. My name doesn't suddenly become "Rye-ehz", and my sister's doesn't become "Ssow-eh". It's basically just a slight accent on some words, but others are untouched, just like an English accent.
Yeah, I should've made note. I've got a Seattlite accent, which is basically Southwest Canada, and some Northwest US. My accent will be different from those even two states over, with their creepy cheese obsession.Last edited by Triscuitable; 2012-03-25 at 09:34 PM.
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