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2012-08-09, 03:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
I don't know about that. We mostly see Durkon heal and cast spells, but he's almost certainly wearing heavier armor than anyone else in the party, and carrying the only shield. If he buffed himself up beforehand and focuses on fighting defensively and self-healing, he can probably survive for quite a while. After all, we've only seen Tarquin use defensive manuevers and counter-attacks thus far, and while I doubt that's all he is capable of, if it's his specialty he might not be as powerful when forced to be the offender in a given situation.
At least, not until we figure out what kind of enchantments are on that axe.
More interesting, IMO, will be whether Durkon can hazard any sort of guess as to the identity of the masked-man-in-purple. Roy already pretty much figured out it wasn't Thog, but now Durkon has heard Tarquin's whole speech.
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2012-08-09, 03:21 PM (ISO 8601)
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I was actually feeling kind of sorry for Nale for a while there.
Not that I am not appreciating the Order seriously stepping up their game, because I am enjoying very much the execution of a clever and effective plan. The parting scene with Sabine was kind of unexpectedly touching, however, and he's so hapless in the aftermath of Holy Word it's almost embarrassing to watch.
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2012-08-09, 03:22 PM (ISO 8601)
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Re: OOTS #860 - The Discussion Thread
It has long been a joke that every bug in Microsoft products was defended by the PR in Microsoft as "it's not a bug, it's a feature" no matter how annoying/dangerous the bug was ("my files disappeared" "It's not a bug, it's a feature: self-cleaning OS!").
Here, Roy is using the same words to explain that Belkar, one of his own teammates, having been affected by a "friendly fire" (i.e. a spell cast by his own team) is not, in fact, a problem, but an advantage for Roy's plans.
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2012-08-09, 03:23 PM (ISO 8601)
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One of the best strips of the last years ;)
Showing Belkars low wisdom ("kind of silence spell") and Roys high INT, combined with at least some ranks in knowledge(arcana) or Spellcraft - or why does he know Belkar'd be affected out of sight?
Better than Roys line (he knew that Belkar would be deaf and as such immune to verbal spells) was Belkars question - I laughed quite heartily for some minutes ;)
edit: Ninjas everywhere!Last edited by danielmayer; 2012-08-09 at 03:23 PM.
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2012-08-09, 03:24 PM (ISO 8601)
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Another no-sell from Tarquin. What a surprise.
Suppose it'll make his defeat all the sweeter. If that even happens at this rate.
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2012-08-09, 03:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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It is referring to the IT-world, i'd say. Often when a software testers finds a "fault" but there was no written specification (gray area), the project manager/developer explains, it was meant to be like that. Hence - "its a feature".
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2012-08-09, 03:25 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-09, 03:26 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-09, 03:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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Roy positioned Belkar in a position above the ambush zone, but it put him in a position that would leave him vulnerable to Holy Word. Normally this would be a "bug", a problem with the trap. Instead it's a "feature": By defening Belkar, Roy prevents Nale from useing suggestion to turn Belkar against them, and, deaf or not, Belkar would still run amok stabbing people at his own descresion, disobaying Roy's orders.
At the same time I must ask why there is an enclave conveniantly located above the ambush point. Did Durkon make it useing some sort of stone shaping spell? Or is it part of a disabled trap?
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2012-08-09, 03:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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If a trapdoor has Line of Effect in order to affect Belkar, would that mean Malack and Quar are affected? Would that banish Quar if they are affected or possibly just kill him? I feel like that happening would cause Malack to realize that Holy Word was used seeing as he himself is a high level cleric. I partially hope that Malack recognizes the spell, realize this could mean the death of Nale and burst through a steel door infuriated by the potential kill steal. Extra points if it is in time to save Tarquin or Nale.
Sadly, I don't think this bodes well for either Belkar or Durkon. Tarquin could easily kill either of them if he actually puts the effort in. Once he realizes that he is without support from Malack, he may pull a trump card or two out to ensure his survival.
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2012-08-09, 03:27 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-09, 03:28 PM (ISO 8601)
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Considering that Nale, Z and Belkar are Deafened but not Blinded, that means they all have the same level as Durkon.
Or at least, they all have the same level, and Durkon might be on a different level depending on modifiers.
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2012-08-09, 03:30 PM (ISO 8601)
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This was awesome. I know something's going to send this encounter south sooner or later, but this ambush by the Order was brilliantly executed despite being down a member and at a tactical disadvantage.
And as for Belkar being unable to hear Nale's 'Suggestion', you just know that somewhere an angel is laughing his or her butt off at that.Wind & Sound Elemental Eric Greenhilt avatar by Akrim.elf
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2012-08-09, 03:32 PM (ISO 8601)
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Belkar is deafened by Durkon's Holy Word spell, because he is not Good, his alignment is Chaotic Evil. Because he is deafened he can not carry out Nale's Suggestion to attack Durkon. Belkar does not understand this and calls out to Roy that the Linear Guild must have cast a silence spell. Roy is saying that the Holy Word's friendly-fire targeting of Belkar is not a bug, a problem with the spell, but a feature, a positive bonus. So in a weird little roundabout way, because Belkar is Evil he is not attacking Durkon right now.
Also, so much to love in this one. Sabine's actual love for Nale and evident desperation is touching. Even Tarquin the savvy bastard can't stop trying to communicate verbally with a deaf dude. (Hard to think on your feet that quickly when a righteous dwarf cleric is trying to smash your head.) The thing with Belkar just makes me happy. Only questions I have are: where's Elan? and Why is Roy just standing out of the way and gloating?
EDIT: I'll be dead in the cold, cold ground before I say "Ninja'd," or, heaven forfend, "Swordsage'd," but man do we playgrounders like to explain things, I was not expecting 3-4 explanations to go up in the time it took me to post. Wow.Last edited by Gnome Alone; 2012-08-09 at 03:44 PM.
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2012-08-09, 03:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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So what level is Tarquin?
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2012-08-09, 03:33 PM (ISO 8601)
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Oh, well if that's the case, it's kinda funny!
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2012-08-09, 03:34 PM (ISO 8601)
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Go on, Nale. Dimension Door. Dimension Door into a random part of a heavily trapped epic lair. You know you want to.
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2012-08-09, 03:40 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-09, 03:41 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-09, 03:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Elan: Use his strengths. Illusions wouldn't work (though Roy wouldn't know that), and a dashing swordsman is merely runny against a deaf opponent. Instead, have Elan position himself wherever is most dramatically appropriate.
Belkar: Brilliant. Easily distracted berserker with all distractions torn away (sound and sight). Good way to get the best use out of the little monster.
I'm just curious, though, what role Roy is intending to play, besides maybe cleanup. It would be another pretty good mark of growth if he had no set role for himself - Roy has always seen himself as the one sane man and acts on the assumption that he can't really rely on his allies to follow the plan in any event. If he built this plan purely on faith of how his people will act, and gauged rightly, then he's matured greatly.Spoiler: My inventory:
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2012-08-09, 03:42 PM (ISO 8601)
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Except Durkon is the one he threw in the fight outside. (I was a bit confused with the way that looked; trying to figure out if he was using some Tome of Battle maneuver or something.) Although perhaps he will have trouble replicating this feat, on account of Durkon's stability; maybe he just got lucky the first time.
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2012-08-09, 03:55 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-09, 03:57 PM (ISO 8601)
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2012-08-09, 03:58 PM (ISO 8601)
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I don't think having Belkar be blinded would really help him in a fight, heh. Pretty sure he's just deafened, and suffering a Spot penalty due to the smokestick (it does seem to be dissipating already, and he was above it to begin with).
I'm also looking forward to Haley and Roy's next moves, as well as what Elan has been up to... I half expect him to pop in covered in jam again (a la 206).
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